Negative Media

**gufct** · 16/11/2009, 9:32 AM

Im sick to the back teeth of the negative media coverage of the Irish Soccer Team with the Sindo and RTE in particular being the main culprits. We were beaten on saturday night by a jammy goal but from reading Dion Fanning and listening to Eamon Dunphy you would swear we were blitzed off the park.

Im going to paris tomorrow a proud Irish Soccer supporter willing to keep going till the final few seconds in supporting our national Team and **** the begrudgers. We will never dig ourselves out of the hole that Bertie & his cronies dumped us in if we dont have belief so BELIEVE its not a major miracle were looking for.

**paul_oshea** · 16/11/2009, 9:47 AM

ah it is though.

**twoenz** · 16/11/2009, 10:08 AM

It's good that most of the players never get that much contact with the Irish media, and it's water off a ducks back at this point.

WAs it the Irish Times that said we were unlucky on the pitch and murdered in the studio on Saturday night?

**OneRedArmy** · 16/11/2009, 10:16 AM

Our sporting media's obsession with all things English extends to adopting the same approach to journalism.

People like Giles can't accept the whole system that were a part of, from schoolkids football onwards, is producing technically mediocre footballers and Trap or whoever the manager of the day is is left with the thankless task of trying to polish a turd.

One part of the football establishment is trying to protect another part of the football establishment.

**twoenz** · 16/11/2009, 10:25 AM

For a nation of 4-5 million people with no real great youth systems in place we're very lucky to have made it to a single world cup never mind 3 of them.

Media demands results instantly. Or people do, and media just focuses that. It's hard to win. If we do qualify there'll be people calling for us to not go in case we embarrass ourselves. Which is obviously not going to happen.

**pineapple stu** · 16/11/2009, 10:26 AM

A couple of points -

> Journalists are idiot, and paper doesn't refuse ink, especially with tight deadlines. Sometimes I'm surprised newspapers still exist.
> Despite that, you can acknowledge that France were much better than us and still travel to the next game in hope. They're not mutually exclusive options. Just because you're a fan doesn't mean you have to close your ears to negative news.

**twoenz** · 16/11/2009, 10:29 AM

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

A couple of points -

> Journalists are idiot, and paper doesn't refuse ink, especially with tight deadlines. Sometimes I'm surprised newspapers still exist.
> Despite that, you can acknowledge that France were much better than us and still travel to the next game in hope. They're not mutually exclusive options. Just because you're a fan doesn't mean you have to close your ears to negative news.

It's not negative news, it's the "We told you so" attitudes that get me. Mainly because those with just a passing interest just pick up on that and nothing else.

**pineapple stu** · 16/11/2009, 10:31 AM

Should probably note that, not reading newspapers or watching home games on telly, I don't know what exactly was said and was basing my comments on gufct's.

Anyways, my point still more or less stands.

**gufct** · 16/11/2009, 10:32 AM

Actually I can see Souness planting Dunphy live on Air very soon if he derides his comments and keeps shouting him down. Dunphy appeal is waning and this could be his last hurrah. There is no meaningful debate on RTE anymore just Dunphys constant abuse of our manager and team.

**Stuttgart88** · 16/11/2009, 10:33 AM

I just read David Kelly's artyicle online and I'm still trying to figure out exactly what his message is, it's so all over the place.

**jebus** · 16/11/2009, 10:42 AM

Mordern journalism has realised there is more money to be had in playing 'the bad guy wrestler', i.e.e the one that says things purely to get a rise out of their audience. It's why you see newspapers being more and more about comment and less about actual news throughout the entire paper and not just in the sports sections. It's why the biggest names in journalism in Ireland are Eamon Dunphy and Kevin Myers, why Glenn Beck and Bill O'Reilly rule the roost in America and why people like Littlejohn and Clarkson are the English version.

Fair and balanced (don't sue me Fox) news reporting is very much dead and buried, not just in the sports pages

**drummerboy** · 16/11/2009, 10:57 AM

I listened to Roy Curtis on the Hub last night and have to say he is the most deluded moron of all the journalists. The guy just spouts off hatred to anything he doesn't agree with. When are people going to realise that this team has already achieved more than their talents deserve.

**Yard of Pace** · 16/11/2009, 11:01 AM

I agree with you jebus except that I think Emmet Malone stands out as a beacon of fair and balanced reporting. His articles don't get much discussion here,unsurprisingly, while the tosh in the Indo does.

**Yard of Pace** · 16/11/2009, 11:08 AM

One other thing, although the IT is usually excellent, Tom Humhries begins his column today with

SO, LISTEN. We ain�t going to South Africa

which is a horrible thing to write at this stage.

**eaststand85** · 16/11/2009, 11:14 AM

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

A couple of points -

> Journalists are idiot, and paper doesn't refuse ink, especially with tight deadlines. Sometimes I'm surprised newspapers still exist.
> Despite that, you can acknowledge that France were much better than us and still travel to the next game in hope. They're not mutually exclusive options. Just because you're a fan doesn't mean you have to close your ears to negative news.

I agree, we probably deserved a draw on Saturday night but France were much the better team technically and could have had two or three. However much like Bertie during the boom years some people would rather shoot the messangers in the media pointing out such "negative" yet accurate news (although I will agree that Dunphy & Fanning can overdo it and cross the line to sensationalism).

**Stuttgart88** · 16/11/2009, 11:14 AM

Liam Mackey is pretty fair in this morning's Examiner

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/s...re-105699.html

**youngirish** · 16/11/2009, 11:23 AM

Giles and Dunphy are two clueless idiots. The way they go on you'd think we have talent comparable to Brazil. We have some sh*t players and Trap has done as good a job with them as anyone.

To think Dunphy keeps claiming that the likes of Andy Reid (yes he of Sunderland fame who only recently reclaimed a starting spot) could turn us into some powerhouse of world football that could play the likes of France and Italy off the park is laughable and begs the question how insane do you have to be to actually get committed in Ireland?

**youngirish** · 16/11/2009, 11:25 AM

Originally Posted by Yard of Pace

One other thing, although the IT is usually excellent, Tom Humhries begins his column today with

which is a horrible thing to write at this stage.

Horrible but true.

**Yard of Pace** · 16/11/2009, 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by youngirish

Horrible but true.

How is it true? The second match hasn't been played yet. Anyone who has watched football at all in their lives knows that it is, as they say, a funny old game.

**youngirish** · 16/11/2009, 11:43 AM

Originally Posted by Yard of Pace

How is it true? The second match hasn't been played yet. Anyone who has watched football at all in their lives knows that it is, as they say, a funny old game.

Anything is possible but if we turn around a 1-0 deficit at home to France and beat them in Paris considering how much better they looked than us in Dublin I'll eat my own head. It would be the single biggest turnaround and shock in the entire history of the play-offs.

If you really believe we can do that then you should put some money down with the bookies now because come Thursday morning you'll be a rich man if it occurs.

I hope you are right and I am wrong btw but I can't see it though I think we will give them a game and maybe a scare or 2.