Roy Keane-Tosspot

[Macy]

Is it a knee jerk reaction to a couple of bad months? A few bad years I'd contest. Anyway, I wasn't calling for his head (yet), but he needs to put a bit more emphasis on the present when he hits the transfer market in the summer.

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Originally posted by Conor74
But to suddenly start lashing out at Giggs and Ferguson is wrong

it's not sudden for me, it might be new here because i don't tend to discuss united but i've been a critic of Giggs' for years. united were offered 20million for Giggs by Inter a few years back after he scored 'that' goal against arsenal, united should have taken it and laughed at the italians.

he has his moments but for a winger at the level of competition he's involved in I can't think of a poorer crosser of the ball. the pace he had as a kid is all but gone, and he was never tricky enough not to rely on it. he's been coasting since the treble year.

Conor: a 'great servant to the club' and lots of medals means little, we've loads of players who fit the bill, doesn't mean i want
Roy Carroll
Phil Neville_Gary Neville_Dion Dublin_Quinton Fortune
Luke Chadwick_Nicky Butt_Jonathon Greening_Ryan Giggs
Teddy Sheringham_Dwight Yorke (all still playing)
as United's current starting eleven.

You'd be no more forgiving of an old star who just wasn't up to it anymore at city than i am with Giggs

[Macy]

You gotta have David May, Superstar (Got more medals than Shearer) in that team...

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Jonathon Greening has one more champions league medal than Lothar Matthaus

[Shed End John]

Originally posted by tiktok
Keane got frustrated and acted the idiot, no excuse for it, it could cost them dearly, but it won't.....

Porto were and are rubbish, united will put at least three past them in the return leg and go through. Two great goals by McCarthy though, shame he isn't Irish.

Must hurt like hell to have gotten that one SO unbelieveably wrong. Porto, as I said to everyone in college, had a well organised defence that didn't panic just because they lost Costa AND went 1 down.
Rather than lying down to United, like so many other teams, they stood up, fought and were more than worth 1-1 by the end of the game.

[Macy]

Originally posted by Shed End John
Porto, as I said to everyone in college, had a well organised defence that didn't panic just because they lost Costa AND went 1 down.

You mean apart from 3 of them playing Scholes on for the "goal" that was disallowed?

[Shed End John]

Originally posted by Macy
You mean apart from 3 of them playing Scholes on for the "goal" that was disallowed?

Show me a team in the WORLD that's never made a mistake like that and I will personally deliver Shevchenko to Longford. Eurogoals every Monday night, nothing like it for keeping tabs on the likes of Porto.

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Originally posted by Shed End John
Must hurt like hell to have gotten that one SO unbelieveably wrong.

it hurt that the team i support is out of europe, that i was wrong calling a football score is irrelevant, anyway, Gary beat you to it about five posts back.

i stand by my assertion that Porto are rubbish, i don't know how anyone who watched the game last night could come up with anything other than the same viewpoint. they'll get spanked in the next round.

[Shed End John]

Originally posted by tiktok
it hurt that the team i support is out of europe, that i was wrong calling a football score is irrelevant, anyway, Gary beat you to it about five posts back.

i stand by my assertion that Porto are rubbish, i don't know how anyone who watched the game last night could come up with anything other than the same viewpoint. they'll get spanked in the next round.

I noticed Gary was on the ball alright. I stand by my assertion that Porto are better than they're given credit for; after all CL 1/4 finalists is hardly the mark of a 'crap' team. Funny how you don't seem to regard Utd so low when they'd have been obliterated in the 1/4 finals.

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Originally posted by Shed End John
Funny how you don't seem to regard Utd so low when they'd have been obliterated in the 1/4 finals.

where do you get that from, united were rubbish in both games. Porto on balance probably deserved the victory, though beating united on their current form is no great shakes, and doesn't a good team make.

i've no problem admitting that united would have been beaten had they gone through, especially if they'd played like they did last night. the difference is that i don't think porto can play much better than they did in the two united games, whereas united definitely can.

[Macy]

Originally posted by Shed End John
I stand by my assertion that Porto are better than they're given credit for; after all CL 1/4 finalists is hardly the mark of a 'crap' team. Funny how you don't seem to regard Utd so low when they'd have been obliterated in the 1/4 finals.

United are playing crap at the moment. Alot depends on the draw, but any decent team and Porto are gone. United should've beat them when perhaps at their lowest ebb for 10 years.....

Are you claiming that the 1/4 finals make a team good? Must tell Bayern and Juventus.....

[Éanna]

UTD were awful over both legs and fully deserved to lose. There's something very wrong there, none of the big players are performing. With all due respect, when Gary Neville is your best player, you've got to wonder. Porto are no great shakes either, they've got 3 or 4 very good players (McCarthy, Deco, Alenichev) but they are far from world class. That said, they are a team on great form, Real Madrid are the only team to have beaten them yet this season.

[SÓC]

Porto are only an ok team who try hard. If there was a second group phase they wouldnt qualify from it, teams like Man Utd and Juve would. Its what makes the knock-out more exciting.

They have some very good players and some solid players.
If you play well at home and compete away you're always in with a chance. Look at Celtic. In European terms a very average team but you would fancy them against any team in Europe at home.