Euro 2012 draw

**dynamo kerry** · 22/10/2009, 10:25 AM

Takes place in feb 2010.

We're currently in pot three.

By my calculations a draw and a win against france by a margin of one goal would only be worth an extra 240 points or so which would make a difference of only one place.

So it looks like we'll stay in pot three for the draw. however, a couple of wins in the world cup would possibly push us back into pot 2 as the 4 teams currently above us aren't going.

however if we don't go, we're probably destined to stay in pot 3 for a good couple of years.

Especially as Poland and ukraine will go back in the pots probably in pots 2 and 3 respectively and above us as well.

http://www.football-rankings.info/20...cients_16.html

none of the pot 2 teams are particularly scary. We've every chance of splitting the top two again in the Euro qualifiers.

**Deckydee** · 22/10/2009, 10:30 AM

I was thinking about this the other day. I wonder who we will get in the draw in February?

Maybe:

Croatia
Slovakia
Republic of Ireland
Macedonia
Estonia
Andorra

**dynamo kerry** · 22/10/2009, 10:43 AM

Originally Posted by Deckydee

I was thinking about this the other day. I wonder who we will get in the draw in February?

Maybe:

Croatia
Slovakia
Republic of Ireland
Macedonia
Estonia
Andorra

rose tinted glasses maybe. Croatia would be a great first seed to get. We've not played estonia since 2001? I'm not sure I'd welcome Macedonia back but Slovakia could be handy second seeds!

**Dun Laoire** · 22/10/2009, 10:47 AM

Originally Posted by dynamo kerry

rose tinted glasses maybe. Croatia would be a great first seed to get. We've not played estonia since 2001? I'm not sure I'd welcome Macedonia back but Slovakia could be handy second seeds!

would be nice to get Estonia if only to get the beautiful women to translate 12 months

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T41ZRw45obs

**tetsujin1979** · 22/10/2009, 11:22 AM

Originally Posted by dynamo kerry

So it looks like we'll stay in pot three for the draw. however, a couple of wins in the world cup would possibly push us back into pot 2 as the 4 teams currently above us aren't going.

The draw is in February, so the World Cup will have no bearing on the seedings for the draw

**dynamo kerry** · 22/10/2009, 11:47 AM

Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

The draw is in February, so the World Cup will have no bearing on the seedings for the draw

I must not have been clear enough.

The qualifiers/play offs will have a bearing on the draw

however I meant that if we went to the world cup it would have a bearing on the draw for 2014.

Apologies, thread should probably be called "Ireland in qualifying draw pot???!"

**elroy** · 22/10/2009, 12:25 PM

The Czechs wouldnt be the worse second seeds to get either, they seem to be going backwards at the moment.
Def dont want Cyprus as third seeds again, Liectenstein from the fifth seeds would be nice, not Montenegro or Albania anyways. And anyone bar Azerbajan from the bottom seeds.
There isnt a huge difference in standard between the second, third and fourth seeds i.e. Im sure Cyprus or Belgium would give Slovakia a good game.

**Gather round** · 22/10/2009, 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by elroy

There isnt a huge difference in standard between the second, third and fourth seeds i.e. Im sure Cyprus or Belgium would give Slovakia a good game

Slovakia got more points than Belgium and Cyprus combined (including winning four of their five away games).

**kingdomkerry** · 22/10/2009, 12:32 PM

Lets worry about the small matter of the world cup first

**EalingGreen** · 22/10/2009, 2:18 PM

Originally Posted by elroy

The Czechs wouldnt be the worse second seeds to get either, they seem to be going backwards at the moment.

Unless/until their new manager sorts things out, the Czechs are underperforming at the moment. That said, they still have some excellent players, so I suspect they'll recover soon enough.

Originally Posted by elroy

Liectenstein from the fifth seeds would be nice,

Liechtenstein may have receded during the last campaign, but I can tell you they were definitely not to be underestimated during the previous (Euro2008) campaign - hence their being seeded 5th.

Originally Posted by elroy

There isnt a huge difference in standard between the second, third and fourth seeds i.e. Im sure Cyprus or Belgium would give Slovakia a good game.

What is your basis for dismissing Slovakia? It certainly cannot be their results over the last two years:
http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/prelimi...esresults.html
After a slow start to their campaign, they simply got better and better. And I suspect their late home defeat to Slovenia was a case of nerves getting the better of them when on the brink of qualifying, something which they put right five days later by winning in Poland.
Of course, it may be that qualifying for SA (in a more competitive Group than ROI's, btw) may represent a "high water mark" for them. Alternatively, it might just provide them with the boost they need to push on even further. Remember, Slovakia traditionally provided the bulk of the players when the old Czechoslovak teams were in their pomp - especially the 1976 European Champions (8 or 9 out of 11?).

**dynamo kerry** · 22/10/2009, 5:17 PM

Originally Posted by kingdomkerry

Lets worry about the small matter of the world cup first

just fancied a change from the usual 2nd gen/andy reid/tickets for france chat...

**Cymro** · 22/10/2009, 6:59 PM

Liechtenstein are actually a tidy little side despite the small size of their country. Probably the easiest of the fifth seeds, but better than your typical sixth seed. They drew against the Finns and nearly got a draw with Russia in our group this time round. Although we beat them home and away the away game in particular was quite awkward.

I'd like the following group:

Croatia
Israel
Northern Ireland
Wales
Liechtenstein
San Marino

In my view we could challenge for 2nd place with the top three teams in that one. Conversely, there are some very tough potential draws out there.

**dynamo kerry** · 22/10/2009, 7:06 PM

Originally Posted by Cymro

Liechtenstein are actually a tidy little side despite the small size of their country. Probably the easiest of the fifth seeds, but better than your typical sixth seed. They drew against the Finns and nearly got a draw with Russia in our group this time round. Although we beat them home and away the away game in particular was quite awkward.

I'd like the following group:

Croatia
Israel
Northern Ireland
Wales
Liechtenstein
San Marino

In my view we could challenge for 2nd place with the top three teams in that one. Conversely, there are some very tough potential draws out there.

I think israel have been replaced by romania in pot 2? still a good looking group!

**Cymro** · 22/10/2009, 7:29 PM

Yeah, thanks for correcting me there. If I remember right, Romania had a mediocre campaign this time too. I'll just be glad to avoid Denmark from that pot - really surprising they're only on the lower fringes of pot 2. They seem to qualify for everything.

Other teams to avoid are for me Montenegro and Norway. Croatia are the best of the top seeds to get but for us it's largely irrelevant which pot 1 team we get.

I'm just disappointed we have to wait til February for the draw. Between now and then there's virtually nothing to get excited about. (for us)

**Montenegrin** · 22/10/2009, 9:26 PM

I would be happy with this group for us:
1.Croatia
2.Slovakia
3.Republic of Ireland(becouse of fans)
4.Wales
5.Montenegro
6.San Marino

**Gather round** · 23/10/2009, 8:08 AM

Originally Posted by Cymro

I'll just be glad to avoid Denmark from that pot - really surprising they're only on the lower fringes of pot 2. They seem to qualify for everything

They only finished fourth in qualifying for Euro 2008.

**Junior** · 23/10/2009, 8:41 AM

Originally Posted by Montenegrin

I would be happy with this group for us:
1.Croatia
2.Slovakia
3.Republic of Ireland(becouse of fans)
4.Wales
5.Montenegro
6.San Marino

oohh you charmer......

**geysir** · 23/10/2009, 10:06 AM

We are all Montenegrans.

**Newryrep** · 23/10/2009, 11:15 AM

As nicked from elsewhere

And only Germany's group finished in order of seeding.

Here are the seeding pots and where the teams actually finished in their groups:

Pot 1:

Italy - 1st
Spain - 1st
Germany - 1st
Czech Republic - 3rd
France - 2nd
Portugal - 2nd
Netherlands - 1st
Croatia - 3rd
Greece - 2nd

Pot 2:

England - 1st
Romania - 5th
Scotland - 3rd
Turkey - 3rd
Bulgaria - 3rd
Russia - 2nd
Poland - 5th
Sweden - 3rd
Israel - 4th

Pot 3:

Norway - 2nd
Ukraine - 2nd
Serbia - 1st
Denmark - 1st
Northern Ireland - 4th
Republic of Ireland - 2nd
Finland - 3rd
Switzerland - 1st
Belgium - 4th

Pot 4:

Slovakia - 1st
Bosnia - 2nd
Hungary - 4th
Moldova - 6th
Wales - 4th
Macedonia - 4th
Belarus - 4th
Lithuania - 4th
Cyprus - 4th

Pot 5:

Georgia - 6th
Albania - 5th
Slovenia - 2nd
Latvia - 3rd
Iceland - 5th
Armenia - 6th
Austria - 3rd
Kazakhstan - 5th
Azerbaijan - 5th

Pot 6:

Liechtenstein - 6th
Estonia - 5th
Malta - 6th
Luxembourg - 5th
Montenegro - 5th
Andorra - 6th
Faroe Islands - 6th
San Marino - 6th

Serbia , Denmark and Switzerland all topped the group from Pot 3

Slovakia from Pot 4

**blobbyblob** · 23/10/2009, 11:21 AM

Funny thing is that by going by the finishing positions of teams in the WC qualifiers, you are better off in pot 3 (thus avoiding other high finishing Pot3 teams)