old talk of united irish team

[IrelandUnited]

Originally posted by Pogsly
SOC

Does your arguement not have its flaws too?
Surely the Irish players who ply their trade in England (as opposed to staying here and being loyal to the clubs who nurtured them) should declare for the National team of the league in which they are employed ??

I know reading the above you are thinking "muppet" , as it is a silly thing to say but I feel that you went slightly over the top at IrelandUnited . I don't support a team persay(I take an interest in all of the Irish players abroad) but I do have more of an Interest in Serie A and always have . Therefore (according to you) I should be following the Azzuri even though I have no affiliation to that country bar taking an interest in their national league instead of my own .

As for Kevin Hunt declaring for Ireland , there is more need for Lee Trundle declaring for us than Hunt regardless fo how many completed passes he has made for Bohs in the eircom League !

Sorry mate but thats bull .

Thank you pogsly. I do not entirely belittle SOC's point of view but he seems to be one of the large band of people who (understandably enough in ways) react adversely to statements about our reliance on the english set up which are simply true. We can accept or ignore these these but they remain true.

A couple of points:

1) If teams watched on Sky are ipso facto unworthy of support as SOC seems to imply then the national team is in the same boat as Arsenal and Man Utd.

2) Why support a team comprised exclusively of players from a given league and despise people who support that league?

3) I haven't rubbished the underage set up here but some of our players (Holland, Reid, Morrison) have nevber benefitted from it and all of them benefit from fine tuning in england.

[Qunnie]

I haven't rubbished the underage set up here but some of our players (Holland, Reid, Morrison) have nevber benefitted from it and all of them benefit from fine tuning in england.

Didn't Morrison play for the U21s

[sylvo]

And Andy Reid.

[lopez]

Originally posted by davros
Dont you mean OWB & S-C G Pk?!

'Wee minds' is a more accurate description of some of the retarded members of that forum. While I appreciate that Windsor Park is no doubt adored for its 'royal' connections, the German Lady's grand-father and as you say his 'mutant in-bred' relatives, all of whom were and remain Britain's highest paid scroungers (here's one bunch of illegal immigrants that don't get the once over by the Daily Mason) , all changed their names after WP was founded.

Going back to wee minds, I see our friend Research Boy is back. Time to get the gimp suit on, although with the amount of abuse he gets, I think he's the one who should be wearing it.

[Duncan Gardner]

Morning Lope. Naughty jibe about the redial button there- no way will I let playing with this internet thingy interfere with my beauty sleep

Is that offer of yer retro NI shirt still standing? Estonia here we come...

Personally I'd leave the Doog on the muriel but I'll lose little sleep if he goes.

To Davros. I haven't spent 22 years as an adult living in a foreign country, rubbishing it continuously and incoherently, yet making exactly feck all effort to return home.

Though maybe the latter's no surprise, as all you appear to know of Ireland is the themed pub crawl from one end of Baggot Street to t'other on match days...

[lopez]

Originally posted by Duncan Gardner
Is that offer of yer retro NI shirt still standing? Estonia here we come...

I'm going round my parents so I'll see if it's still there. As I said it was when I was fourteen that I had it, but I don't think it was thrown away. PM with details and you can give me your address so I can send the boys round...sorrry, send it on to you.

[JohnB]

Pity to see Lopez and the gimp being joined by another micro-mind i.e. Paddy Ramone. You really do let down what is otherwise a very good site. I am glad to see I guessed correctly about your sexual preferences Lopez

[lopez]

Originally posted by JohnB
Pity to see Lopez and the gimp being joined by another micro-mind i.e. Paddy Ramone. You really do let down what is otherwise a very good site. I am glad to see I guessed correctly about your sexual preferences Lopez

Hello sweetie!! How's those other saddos on OurWeeMinds? Any b*llocks dropped yet, especially from Dog Breath? I know you've been dying to join me and Davros down the khasis of the Blue Oyster Bar, but you're such a skinflint that you thought you'd come back on here and get the abuse, that your own Member of Parliament pays good money for, for nothing. Now we all know that it's you that wants some S&M, which is the reason that you've come back.

Paddy, I am no longer going to bother 'punishing' Research Boy here, because DG will only go running to the moderator and the next minute this thread is locked. But also he is, as they say in this part of Britain, a complete Crown and Anchor. Therefore he is better suited to get his sexual thrills through auto-intercourse. Still if you feel the need to let off some steam, there are two things that will get this t*t foaming at the mouth.

1. Mercenaries. You know those w*nkers that fight for another country purely for financial gain. Except that country has to be Britain: Mercenaries fighting in the French Foreign Legion don't count. Alas some of these d*ckheads come home with f*ck all in their pockets because they're in a coffin. Research Boy expects us to feel sorry for them.

2. Religion. As a 'scientist' the thought of someone believing in God really bugs him. Tell him you are a committed religious fanatic (Bob Jones graduate will also do) and watch his 'liberal' mask drop.

See you at the Pride March sweetie.

[SÓC]

Pogsley
UnitedIreland

I took issue with UI dismissing the underage setup in one fell sweep. Today the Irish U-21s are 2-0 up, both goals socred by Cork City's Kevin Doyle, one set up by Cork City's Liam Kearney. Longford Town's Steven Pasiley is playing very well at the back. That is more than 1/4 of the next level bellow senior made up of eL players. Yet UI called the English our de facto national league. The same English league that rejected two of our best ever players. Players who only came to light through development in our own national league. Kevin Doyle mentioned above was highlighted by Brian Kerr as a star for the future. He's never played his football outside of Ireland. He stayed and preferred to do his leaving cert. His skills have been developed by our national league.

I have no problem with people supporting non-Irish teams. Not at all. I have a big interest in Cardiff, Barca and Bayern Munich as well as Cork City. That doesnt make those countries our de facto national league. The English league has a disproportionate number of Irish players, yes but they also spit out 80% of them before they ever make the grade.

A couple of points:

1) If teams watched on Sky are ipso facto unworthy of support as SOC seems to imply then the national team is in the same boat as Arsenal and Man Utd.

No No No. Think about it. You say Irish want to watch the premiership/english football. Why? Well there has always been a high level of interest in English football but since Sky came along they packaged the product. Irish people (and alot of English people) support the product. The marketing. Its like Coke. Their MD said than when people drink Coke they are drinking 10% because they are thirsty and 90% of an image. Irish youngsters see this. They want to be interviewed by Andy Gray. Then want to be on playercam.

Teams on Sky are not unworthy of support. The problem is people associate Sky will qulaity so if its not on Sky it cant be that good.

2) Why support a team comprised exclusively of players from a given league and despise people who support that league?

If more Irish people supported our own football there would be more Irish based players in the squads, more people wanting to play at home.....you can see the cycle.

3) I haven't rubbished the underage set up here but some of our players (Holland, Reid, Morrison) have nevber benefitted from it and all of them benefit from fine tuning in england.

Yes but a vast majority have.

Its simply most people in Ireland just ignore our national league because it is so much easy to sit on a barstool or an arm chair and watch a game rather than giving their own football a chance. When they do it can have amazing results. The Pats-Bohs cup replay had a bigger audience than the Premiership.

[Duncan Gardner]

I'm interested in discussing the League of Ireland and the Republic of Ireland team. Can someone get me out of here?

Great idea, Lopez. Actually Adam, who don't you delete it completely and exclude everyone who's written on it?

[lopez]

No one has a problem with people having interest in foreign leagues. My interest in la liga is solely because of my own origins, and I can't say I'm interested in any other league. But if you are that interested in football and watch it wherever possible (and at £30 or so a month that Sky charges you may as well get your money's worth) to make it interesting, it makes sense to follow a team. Perhaps even do a bit of soccer tourism and visit the 'great cathedrals of European soccer.'

What I object to is the total discardation of and insults to the EL league and followed by a demand that followers of foreign clubs should get equal access to international tickets. One can follow Man Ure and Barstadolona and still go to your local EL club. And EL football is just as high a quality as these foreign teams often meet in their own domestic cup.

Sóc. I agree with the packaging argument. The whole Premiership now is just another product and the same is happening in other parts of Europe. This Yankeeisation of the sport is bound to continue. Offsides being gradually eliminated and now even headgear about to be allowed in to speed up headers. Next it will be the goals being made bigger. Goals, goals, goals, just like the cumshots in porno films, because the audience just can't get enough, right? Except like Porno films (and basketball) football will become f*cking boring after ten minutes.

[JohnB]

Lopez, I didn't realise I'd got so far under your skin with the old gimp jibe. Sorry about that. Also, I detect that you're still smarting about me making you look so foolish on the 'it beggars belief' thread. Again, I apologise. Glad to see you've been over to 'our wee minds' BTW, hope you enjoy the debates.

[Paddy Ramone]

Originally posted by JohnB
Glad to see you've been over to 'our wee minds' BTW, hope you enjoy the debates.

What debates? "The beggars are always wrong and we're always right". "We're not superprods". Everyone agrees with each other and hates the "beggars" not because they're bigoted of course. It's all part of "football rivalry".

[lopez]

Originally posted by Paddy Ramone
What debates? "The beggars are always wrong and we're always right". "We're not superprods". Everyone agrees with each other and hates the "beggars" not because they're bigoted of course. It's all part of "football rivalry".

Ahh sure tis only a bit o' craic.

[JohnB]

Originally posted by Paddy Ramone
What debates? "The beggars are always wrong and we're always right". "We're not superprods". Everyone agrees with each other and hates the "beggars" not because they're bigoted of course. It's all part of "football rivalry".

It's a pity you see it like that. Of course your view is no nearer the truth than calling this site a forum for supertims. Still, I'm heartened that we're despised by extremists on both sides, although we have only, as yet, been threatened by the superprod side.

[Paddy Ramone]

No I'm not an "extemist". I'd actually like to see a successful Northern Ireland side. But OWC is very anti-ROI. The anti-ROI tone isn't the best stance to take if you want to attract more Catholics and Nationalists (and even liberal protestants) as supporters who have an affinity with their fellow Irishmen south of the border.

[lopez]

Originally posted by JohnB
Still, I'm heartened that we're despised by extremists on both sides, although we have only, as yet, been threatened by the superprod side.

[JohnB]

Originally posted by Paddy Ramone
No I'm not an "extemist". I'd actually like to see a successful Northern Ireland side. But OWC is very anti-ROI. The anti-ROI tone isn't the best stance to take if you want to attract more Catholics and Nationalists (and even liberal protestants) as supporters who have an affinity with their fellow Irishmen south of the border.

Erm, I have an affinity with my fellow Irishmen south of the border, but I'm also an NI supporter and a contributer on OWC. To be honest Paddy, your previous comments on this thread mirror what you object to on OWC.

Some posters on OWC have issues about the RoI team; they're seen as our biggest rivals and there's some resentment about perceived poaching of players. There are also some who object to people living in the north and supporting the RoI. But have an objective look at the site and you'll see that there is a broad range of opinions on almost every issue, including those I've just mentioned. BTW, we have regular contributions from RoI supporters and they voice strong objections to some comments, which they're welcome to do.

[Duncan Gardner]

At risk of repeating myself

The house rules on OWC are simple.

No abuse. It will be deleted. Anything missed, contact me direct.

No defamation. Ditto.

Sectarian content aimed primarily at winding up unionist/ nationalist is strongly discouraged, because usually it results in the first two categories.

Davros is wrong to say everything and anything critical is excluded, though if he can't respect the categories above he'll continue to be censored.

[JohnB]

Originally posted by davros
You seem to have taken some'reason'medicine?

Those on OWB,who dislike us-Why not have Scotland,as yer biggest rivals;much closer to them,in terms of ability & a stronger cultural link for the vast majority of NE Ulster fans.....

Locals in north,supporting real Ireland team,not unreasonably object to totems of an illegal occupation by the mutants et al.Not much sign of intergration,with the native population,there!This & the past treatment of this population is why many object to such totems.

Appreciate there is a wide range of diversity of views on that site,but any anti-osc.comments are censored,............unlike here,which is Far more reasonable given the concept of 'Free speech'!
This not helped by a high level of hypocrisy re.'derogatory' comments v.OWB, which are either allowed to remain on there,if v.the Free State or includes pomopous procrastinating about how'bad','we'are!

You should check the meaning of big words before you use them. Using them incorrectly makes you look even sillier than usual. Anyway, I'm procrastinating, back to work.