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Was O'Hara ever mentioned as a possible inclusion in the squad? That would have been a pretty massive shock if he was included. Capello was trying to talk Paul Scholes out of international retirement, couldn't include David Beckham and Owen Hargreaves because of injury and overlooked Steward Downing. I'd expect all of those players to be included in the squad ahead of O'Hara. His England career doesn't look too promising at the moment.
He's also got a broken bone in his back.
In semi-related news, FIFA has formally declared three French-born players who played for France at under-age level - Habib Belaid, Ryad Boudebouz and Mohamed Chakhouri - eligible to represent Algeria at the World Cup. As it happens, it's more than likely they'll make their debuts against us seeing as we're their next opponents.
There are a few other players trying to utilise this ruling in the hope that they also may represent their second nationality at the World Cup, including former Liverpool player Carl Medjani, who hopes to switch from France to Algeria as well, and Kevin Prince Boateng, who wishes to switch from Germany to Ghana.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/foot...10/8677404.stm
I see O'Hara has started the FA cup final despite his back injury. I'm not suggesting he was every going to be picked, but the injury certainly wouldn't have kept him out of the squad had there been a chance he was going.
Two others who have used this rule for the World Cup are Paraguay for Lucas Barrios (Borussia Dortmund) who's Argentinian and the Cameroon for former German U21 International Eric Maxim Choupo-Moting (Hamburg). Nigeria tried to get former English U21 Nedum Onuoha (Man City) and former German U21 Dennis Aogo (Hamburg) (since been capped for Germany) for the World Cup but they didn't join. However, Onuoha today said he has not ruled out playing for Nigeria in the future.Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/foot...ca/8684398.stm
Last edited by TrapAPony; 15/05/2010 at 6:37 PM.
"We lost because we didn't win"- Ronaldo
Sky sports news are carrying an interview with o'hara this evening (while he's fly fishing)
didn't say anything concerning us in the bit I saw but the presenter said they would be broadcasting the segments when he discusses his club and international future in the morning show
keep an eye out for it
he just spoke briefly about it. He said that he has always loved playing for England so its a big decision to make.He has alot of Irish family so he doesnt want to disrespect anyone and he will make up his mind over the summer.He also said that he doesnt want to make a big deal of it while hes making the decision
Its really not that complicated!!!
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Reading between the lines, it arguably seems quite positive. Retirees from the England team will prob be a significant factor in his decision but i'd tend to be more confident than not that he will come on board. He'd be a great addition to an already strong looking future midfield. So disappointing about David Meyler's injury though.
Very good addition. The first of many maybe?
"We lost because we didn't win"- Ronaldo
Apologies if this has been answered already but how does O'Hara qualify? Father or grandfather (on father's side)? Just curious. Think he's be a very good addition if he was to declare, has had a great season.
Ou-est le Centre George Pompidou?
Does anyone know who will be retiring from the England squad after the WC?
The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist thinks it will change; the realist adjusts the sails.
Dont worry Swan, its has only been asked about a million times now
His father is from Magherafelt and his Grandmother is from Wicklow.
So he qualifies very easily
The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist thinks it will change; the realist adjusts the sails.
The older players in the squad, bar David James, are young enough to still be there come Euro 2012. Can't see many retirements tbh.
Last edited by TrapAPony; 18/05/2010 at 8:50 PM.
"We lost because we didn't win"- Ronaldo
They actually have a relatively young midfield. Only Lampard is 30 or over from all of the midfielders in the provisional squad. Heskey, James and Carragher are the only likely ones for me to be gone after this tournament.
A couple of them could be looking at extending their careers. Gerrard sticks out as an obvious candidate.
How do you know this, or is there mention of it online anywhere? It's just that when I first ever heard mention of Jamie O'Hara - on this forum a few years ago, if memory serves me correctly - someone who was following Terry Dixon and O'Hara in the Spurs youth sides was claiming, in response to queries about O'Hara's eligibility due to his Irish name, that he didn't in fact qualify to play for us as he was one generation out. Apparently, he merely had an Irish great-grandfather.Dont worry Swan, its has only been asked about a million times now
His father is from Magherafelt and his Grandmother is from Wicklow.
So he qualifies very easily
Next thing I was hearing, after quite a period of uncertainty over whether or not he had an Irish grandparent, was that he had indeed a grandparent from this island but they'd been from the north, which somehow made him eligible for us as well as Northern Ireland. I know players like Alex Bruce have qualified to play for us through northern-born grandparents, but, technically, going by my reading of FIFA's rulebook, they shouldn't be eligible to play for us as, while article 15 of FIFA's statutes refers to those with a "permanent nationality", article 17, which relates to those who acquire a new nationality, brings territory into the equation. In effect, the player in question must satisfy one of the following criteria to represent their new team:
If O'Hara had just a grandparent from the north, I don't see how he would fulfill any of those stipulations, unless FIFA construe the FAI's territory to be the whole island along the lines of the effect Irish nationality law has over the island, although that's just speculation and would appear to be a rather liberal interpretation of the word "territory".(a) He was born on the territory of the relevant Association;
(b) His biological mother or biological father was born on the territory of the relevant Association;
(c) His grandmother or grandfather was born on the territory of the relevant Association;
(d) He has lived continuously for at least five years after reaching the age of 18 on the territory of the relevant Association.
Anyway, now you're telling me that all that is irrelevant as his grandmother from Wicklow whilst is father is also from the north, so I suppose you can understand my mild scepticism or need for evidence given the versions of his ancestry I've heard to the contrary.
Wow hang on there man. A bogger like me is not used to big words like that!!
To be honest and answer your question, I am not 100% sure.
The post that I made above was based in information that I got from OWC forum()
But I have heard this before (also on YBIG) so that is why I posted it. I am hoping that they cant all be wrong
The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist thinks it will change; the realist adjusts the sails.
I see, ha. The thing is though that there's a thread active there right now and, the last time I saw it anyway, those posting in it seemed fairly sure that O'Hara just had a northern-born grandparent until someone came along and told them otherwise based on a post on this forum; presumably your post seeing as they mentioned the Magherafelt and Wicklow links. The forums seem to self-feed one another with baseless information from time to time and because it then appears on a few boards, well, then, sure it must be valid... Not saying you're wilfully spreading lies, but I think we just ought to be a bit more careful with where we're getting our information. After all that, it could well be true that he does have the links to Magherafelt and Wicklow anyway. It's just I've heard so many different versions.
Hi Danny,
Sorry if I caused any confusion. As I said I was only going on what I heard from other sources.
If he declares I am sure that he will tell us
I belive that there is someone on the YBIG forum who knows him personally. Maybe someone could ask him?
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