Jamie O'Hara

**geysir** · 11/12/2009, 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by dr_peepee

I dunno.. Was on Newstalk last week that, yes, as of now he's not qualified. But if his Ma pulls some sort of stroke with dual Nationality he will be elligable then...

And I thought you only got your info from credible sources

As already mentioned on this thread, with reference to the FIFA rules, he would need to have one of his parents or grandparents born in FAI land or else be a resident for a number of years. The family information provided here about Nolan would only entitle him to get an Irish passport but he would have to become a resident if he wanted to play for Ireland.

**Murfinator** · 11/12/2009, 1:01 PM

Originally Posted by endabob1

Murfinator has strongly unbalanced views on what it means to be Irish

http://foot.ie/forums/showthread.php...31#post1274531

Well they're definitely strong I'll give you that whatever about the second part.

I suppose I carry a bit of a resentment towards people who flee the country in difficult times, particularly those who adopt the old enemy as their new "home" and contribute to their economy instead of ours, to me it seems like some cheek and a bit insulting to claim the role of an avid supporter of the country in sporting events after you do that.

**gustavo** · 11/12/2009, 1:04 PM

Or maybe there were no jobs here for them to "contribute to the economy" for.

I'm no expert but I'm guessing the majority of those that left didn't actually want to go

**drummerboy** · 11/12/2009, 1:22 PM

Originally Posted by Murfinator

Well they're definitely strong I'll give you that whatever about the second part.

I suppose I carry a bit of a resentment towards people who flee the country in difficult times, particularly those who adopt the old enemy as their new "home" and contribute to their economy instead of ours, to me it seems like some cheek and a bit insulting to claim the role of an avid supporter of the country in sporting events after you do that.

Hmmm, you sound remarkably like a Christian Brother I once had the misfortune of knowing.

**paul_oshea** · 11/12/2009, 1:53 PM

Originally Posted by Murfinator

Well they're definitely strong I'll give you that whatever about the second part.

I suppose I carry a bit of a resentment towards people who flee the country in difficult times, particularly those who adopt the old enemy as their new "home" and contribute to their economy instead of ours, to me it seems like some cheek and a bit insulting to claim the role of an avid supporter of the country in sporting events after you do that.

THat'd be me then. I know of a wedding out in Malta that people at home went to which was paid for by the social services for many of those attending. I might not contribute taxes directly but every year I directly spend between 2-3000 euro back in ireland. Do you think its better me contributing this as oppossed to sitting at home in difficult times scrounging off the state because its not possible to find work?

On top of that personally I still use my home credit card(stupid really) and had a loan of over 15k euro from the credit union to help pay for my flat back home. Ive never had any kind of loan over here bar my mortgage, so yes I would say I am contributing to the economy better than 1/15 of the country currently are.

**geysir** · 11/12/2009, 1:55 PM

Originally Posted by gustavo

Or maybe there were no jobs here for them to "contribute to the economy" for.

I'm no expert but I'm guessing the majority of those that left didn't actually want to go

Best to ignore such irrelevant absolute idiotic ramblings.

**paul_oshea** · 11/12/2009, 2:04 PM

Originally Posted by gustavo

Or maybe there were no jobs here for them to "contribute to the economy" for.

I'm no expert but I'm guessing the majority of those that left didn't actually want to go

I'd put myself in that category, at 21, with no friends or family over here, no connections, I can tell you I did not want to come to London, working in a City where everyone leads their own lives and does theeir own thing outside of work.

**Deckydee** · 11/12/2009, 2:07 PM

Originally Posted by paul_oshea

I'd put myself in that category, at 21, with no friends or family over here, no connections, I can tell you I did not want to come to London, working in a City where everyone leads their own lives and does theeir own thing outside of work.

Same for me in Belgium, same way

**Supreme feet** · 11/12/2009, 2:12 PM

Originally Posted by Murfinator

Well they're definitely strong I'll give you that whatever about the second part.

I suppose I carry a bit of a resentment towards people who flee the country in difficult times, particularly those who adopt the old enemy as their new "home" and contribute to their economy instead of ours, to me it seems like some cheek and a bit insulting to claim the role of an avid supporter of the country in sporting events after you do that.

I'm currently unemployed in Ireland, and I'm emigrating to South Korea in February. I don't know if or when I'll be coming back, but I will continue to follow the Irish team, watch the games, post on here, and get butterflies when the EC qualifiers roll around. I love football, I love the team, but on a personal and professional level, I need to get out. The country can't offer me, or anyone with my qualifications, a useful job at the moment. Yet, despite being out of the country, I'll still be Irish. I'm always going to be Irish, and any offsprings I sire will be entitled to call themselves part-Irish too. I was born in Wexford, raised and educated in Wexford and Limerick; I don't need lessons on how to be Irish.

Yours is a De Valera-esque, narrow, fundamentalist vision of 'Irishness' and nationality which has no basis in human reality, nor in the national character of any other country (apart, perhaps, from dictatorships like North Korea).

**rambler14** · 11/12/2009, 2:16 PM

Steven Taylor is the England U-21 captain.

**SkStu** · 11/12/2009, 3:19 PM

Originally Posted by Murfinator

I suppose I carry a bit of a resentment towards people who flee the country in difficult times, particularly those who adopt the old enemy as their new "home" and contribute to their economy instead of ours, to me it seems like some cheek and a bit insulting to claim the role of an avid supporter of the country in sporting events after you do that.

Im sorry man but youre talking from your hole. There a whole host of reasons why Irish people have left the country over the last 400 years and you wish to belittle those people who left their home while trying to better themselves and their families instead of remaining so they could adhere to the beliefs of uber nationalist keyboard warrior Murfinator. Please. You belong in some parish in the arse end of nowhere, sittin at the bar drinkin pints of guinness with other barstool nationalists who are all head of the local GAA club.

i fled the country in the middle of the Celtic Tiger to marry a Canadian stripper* who's work visa had expired. What does that make me? Im living in Canada through circumstance but im Irish, always will be and my kids will be proud Irish people too.

*may not be true

**TrapAPony** · 11/12/2009, 3:19 PM

Anyone here know if Simon Cox of WBA has Irish connections?

**colster** · 11/12/2009, 3:28 PM

Originally Posted by Murfinator

I suppose I carry a bit of a resentment towards people who flee the country in difficult times, particularly those who adopt the old enemy as their new "home" and contribute to their economy instead of ours, to me it seems like some cheek and a bit insulting to claim the role of an avid supporter of the country in sporting events after you do that.

If that's your view how can you support an Irish team made up of players who are all playing in Britain?

**DeNiro** · 11/12/2009, 3:50 PM

Originally Posted by Murfinator

Well they're definitely strong I'll give you that whatever about the second part.

I suppose I carry a bit of a resentment towards people who flee the country in difficult times, particularly those who adopt the old enemy as their new "home" and contribute to their economy instead of ours, to me it seems like some cheek and a bit insulting to claim the role of an avid supporter of the country in sporting events after you do that.

Half of my family emigrated to England, because they had no other choice. I'm sure they feel resentment to a government that let them down. They now have kids who walk around London in their Ireland jerseys and were as gutted as the rest of us the night we lost in Paris. It'll hurt them next summer that they can't sport their green amongst a sea of white. Refrain from being judgemental of people who haven't had the luck of being able to be able to stay in their own country and can't 'contribute' to their native economy. Lest us not forget that many that did emigrate to England years ago, did send money back to families and were directly contributing.

**irishultra** · 11/12/2009, 5:30 PM

Originally Posted by Deckydee

Same for me in Belgium, same way

belgium is class

i love belgium as much as ireland lol

**irishultra** · 11/12/2009, 5:38 PM

haha with murfinator i kinda get what he means when he says this view of irishness. i never viewed ireland as some wonderful land that i 'loved' so much when i grew up in other country. i supported ireland and stuff and followed finn harps(my dads team) but i was firmly belgian and he always told me to see myself as such.

but traitors and stuff if a bit much. irish elites for so long wanted i dont know why to create a country of emmigration. its like they wanted ireland to be a crap country basically which i never understood but thats going off the point.

**Irish_Praha** · 11/12/2009, 10:14 PM

My God, how did this turn into the poor/hard working Irish emigrant thread?
I suppose the majority of us on here can agree that murfinator is talking through his @rse even if it's meant as tounge-in-cheek or not. However, it has a nice little side-effect of getting to know our fellow posters a little bit better. I'd normally just read what they have to write without taking much notice of their "location" but the replies to his post have put the spotlight on where some posters are living and why they are there now, which is kind of interesting.
I myself left ireland beacuse I had finished my degree and wanted to study further but the complete lack of investment in Ireland in scientific research forced me to move abroad.
So all I wanted to say is that anyone who says/thinks I should have stayed in Ireland and ignored my full potential because I would be more Irish as result can suck my balls!

**irishfan86** · 11/12/2009, 10:35 PM

Definitely some great replies in here. I love the diversity of the Irish support. I was born in Ireland but moved to Canada at a very young age due to the recession in the '80s. Now 23 but no accent and I suppose many people would say, "you grew up in Canada, you're Canadian, get over it," but I love both countries and am very passionate about the Irish team.

The idea of nationality is going to be seriously tested and altered over the next hundred years, with so many people moving from the nation of their birth and calling a foreign land home all over the world.

**Kingdom** · 12/12/2009, 7:46 AM

Just to try and get back on topic a bit (not a dig at anyone cause the stuff we've been discussing is a bit sensitive) but some of these "potentials" have the potential to be massive for us. I wouldn't be too up on other kids coming through, I'd be up on the Irish lads alright (no jokes please

) but someone like Naughton is highly rated, and if he was to come in, or an equally good other right back, then it would release Johnny O'Shea back to the centre, which would improve the team again.
Strength in depth was lacking a bit in the last campaign and if that was the sole outcome of all this then at least that would be something.

**twoenz** · 12/12/2009, 9:28 AM

Originally Posted by TrapAPony

How about Matt Derbyshire of Olympiakos? He's married to an Irish girl and even has a kid with an Irish name (fada & all) and hasn't a bad goalscoring record and is still young. Roy Wegerle despite being South African used the marriage ruling to play for the USA.

I think lower-end-of-the-first-division standard Ashley Ward was trying to get an Irish passport near the end of his career through his wife to try and get a cap.