Jamie O'Hara

**bwagner** · 20/10/2009, 10:02 AM

Matthew Kilgallon ???? rumoured with a 4 million pound move away from the blades today

**endabob1** · 20/10/2009, 10:11 AM

Matthew Kilgallon.. always asumed he would have Irish in him but what is the connection? Pretty sure he's been capped U21 for England.

**Straightstory** · 20/10/2009, 10:19 AM

Originally Posted by Duggie

what im trying to say is the likes of nolan and o'hara have played for england u21's. would you want them playing for us ????? i dont think townsend and shhedy ever played for eng before. correct me if im wrong.

So, logically, since Darren Gibson played for Northern Ireland U-16s, I presume you don't think he should be playing for the Republic?

**rambler14** · 20/10/2009, 10:55 AM

No chance with Gary Cahill. He's going to the World Cup with England......Capello's dark horse.

**boovidge** · 20/10/2009, 11:03 AM

Originally Posted by Straightstory

So, logically, since Darren Gibson played for Northern Ireland U-16s, I presume you don't think he should be playing for the Republic?

That's a ridiculous comparison.

**Straightstory** · 20/10/2009, 1:26 PM

Originally Posted by boovidge

That's a ridiculous comparison.

No it's not. Player plays for team other than Rep of Ireland at under age level, then declares for ROI. That's what Gibson's done. (And I think that's fair enough. I'm not saying he shouldn't). So why is it right for Gibson but not right for anyone else?

**Polster** · 20/10/2009, 1:38 PM

Originally Posted by Duggie

what im trying to say is the likes of nolan and o'hara have played for england u21's. would you want them playing for us ????? i dont think townsend and shhedy ever played for eng before. correct me if im wrong.

They weren't given the option. Like one of our great legends Houghton has said, he would have played for scotland except they snubbed him to many times, so he accepted Jack's callup, was like a two fingers up to Roxbury. Maybe had Aldo, Townsend, Mick, Big Cas and plenty of others been given an England callup first, they would have accepted it.

I would give anyone a chance unless they have been
derogatory towards Ireland. I dont think a player fully understands what it is to represent Ireland until they pull on the shirt and experience the passion of the crowd. If their grand mother or grand father was Irish, I think they have every right, they still have Irish blood in them.

Its up to the manager to decide if they will fit in or not.

**Straightstory** · 20/10/2009, 1:47 PM

Originally Posted by Polster

They weren't given the option. Like one of our great legends Houghton has said, he would have played for scotland except they snubbed him to many times, so he accepted Jack's callup, was like a two fingers up to Roxbury. Maybe had Aldo, Townsend, Mick, Big Cas and plenty of others been given an England callup first, they would have accepted it.

I would give anyone a chance unless they have been
derogatory towards Ireland. I dont think a player fully understands what it is to represent Ireland until they pull on the shirt and experience the passion of the crowd. If their grand mother or grand father was Irish, I think they have every right, they still have Irish blood in them.

Its up to the manager to decide if they will fit in or not.

Completely agree. (Although probably hard to prove if potential player had ever been 'derogatory' towards Ireland. Would telling Irish jokes count?)

**Polster** · 20/10/2009, 1:49 PM

Originally Posted by Straightstory

Completely agree. (Although probably hard to prove if potential player had ever been 'derogatory' towards Ireland. Would telling Irish jokes count?)

We'd be all f**ked so

**bwagner** · 20/10/2009, 1:56 PM

I think Stan asked Kilgallon 3 years back but Fifa's policy is now changed so he may well be available for us

**Duggie** · 20/10/2009, 2:11 PM

Originally Posted by Straightstory

No it's not. Player plays for team other than Rep of Ireland at under age level, then declares for ROI. That's what Gibson's done. (And I think that's fair enough. I'm not saying he shouldn't). So why is it right for Gibson but not right for anyone else?

gibson is still 100 per cent irish. playing for the north isnt really like playing for a different country. hes one of our own.

**paul_oshea** · 20/10/2009, 2:31 PM

well said polster bar including big mick. he was always going to play for ireland.

**Duggie** · 20/10/2009, 2:38 PM

why dont we do a poll on this

**Polster** · 20/10/2009, 3:32 PM

Originally Posted by Duggie

why dont we do a poll on this

Why do you want a pole? Your argument is completely flawed, and
prejudiced against players without knowing all the circumstances.

Are you saying because Ray Houghton wanted to play for Scotland first, which he has admitted in the past, he is not an Ireland legend, and should never have played for us?

Are you saing if Townsend, Sheedy, Aldrdidge, Cas or any of the others that qualified through ancestory rules had of been called up for England or anyone else, they would have refused them? to wait for an Ireland call up? Some how I doubt the majority if any would of waited, considering it was a surprise to some of them that hey qualified in the first place.

If you apply what you are saying now about Nolan, O Hara etc, well then you are saying all the above legends and others should never have played for Ireland, we'd have never had Euro 88, Italia 90, etc etc, and who knows, maybe not half the home grown players we have today.

Is this what you are saying?

**Duggie** · 20/10/2009, 3:44 PM

Originally Posted by Polster

Why do you want a pole? Your argument is completely flawed, and
prejudiced against players without knowing all the circumstances.

Are you saying because Ray Houghton wanted to play for Scotland first, which he has admitted in the past, he is not an Ireland legend, and should never have played for us?

Are you saing if Townsend, Sheedy, Aldrdidge, Cas or any of the others that qualified through ancestory rules had of been called up for England or anyone else, they would have refused them? to wait for an Ireland call up? Some how I doubt the majority if any would of waited, considering it was a surprise to some of them that hey qualified in the first place.

If you apply what you are saying now about Nolan, O Hara etc, well then you are saying all the above legends and others should never have played for Ireland, we'd have never had Euro 88, Italia 90, etc etc, and who knows, maybe not half the home grown players we have today.

Is this what you are saying?

forget about the players in the past, the rules have changed now. if anyone here would be happy with english u-21's switching countries cause they will never get a senior cap and putting on the green jersey and standing for our anthem then fair dues but i wouldnt. thats my opinion. im not discounting anyone else's.

**Henry Chinaski** · 20/10/2009, 3:58 PM

how many times does Nolan have to say he's not interested before the FAI leave him alone?

**gspain** · 20/10/2009, 4:14 PM

Originally Posted by Duggie

forget about the players in the past, the rules have changed now. if anyone here would be happy with english u-21's switching countries cause they will never get a senior cap and putting on the green jersey and standing for our anthem then fair dues but i wouldnt. thats my opinion. im not discounting anyone else's.

The rules have changed a few times.

It's a bit rich complaining about Cahill and O'Hara possibly declaring for us and not having the same opinion on Houghton and Aldridge.

Frankly they'd be the usual moaning about them and one decent appearance and they'd be one of our own. No doubt those criticising Cahill or O'Hara would be leaping around like demented lemmings if one of them got the only goal v England in Cape Twon next year.

My opinion is that we are a small country with a limited playing pool and if a quality player is eligible and wants to play for us then we should pursue him.

**paul_oshea** · 20/10/2009, 4:22 PM

Id go with that gspain, but as always there are exceptions. IN both cases that is

**EalingGreen** · 20/10/2009, 4:51 PM

Originally Posted by Duggie

gibson is still 100 per cent irish. playing for the north isnt really like playing for a different country. hes one of our own.

You might care to reconsider that the next time we meet on the field of play...

After all, it felt like it the last time:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jqcqc...rom=PL&index=5

**boovidge** · 20/10/2009, 4:58 PM

Originally Posted by Straightstory

No it's not. Player plays for team other than Rep of Ireland at under age level, then declares for ROI. That's what Gibson's done. (And I think that's fair enough. I'm not saying he shouldn't). So why is it right for Gibson but not right for anyone else?

1. Gibson was much younger
2. He was born in Ireland and was always going to play for one of the Irish teams.
3. The rules were not clear cut and he might have thought he had to play for NI instead of his preferred choice ROI.
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