I work in the private sector and I have taken a paycut since the start of 2008 or been made redundant
I work in the private sector and my pay has increased or stayed the same since the start of 2008
I worked for a period for a public sector organisation in the North and had an experience similiar to the one ORA mentions.
Early retirement/ voluntary redundancy payments are exempt from the ECB ratio's (which is, afterall, the only thing driving the current correction plan timescale).Originally Posted by OneRedArmy
Well that isn't my experience in the public sector, or of mates in the wider civil service. Definitely wasn't the advice I was giving out when I was a shop steward, was never told it, and was never even considered as a union policy.
If you attack me with stupidity, I'll be forced to defend myself with sarcasm.
Of course it isn't the only thing driving the timescale! The need to cut borrowing isn't some esoteric EU-driven box-ticking exercise, it is money that we as a country are borrowing to run our public sector (which effectively now includes our banks).
As a country we are behaving equivalent to an individual funding their normal monthly outgoings on their credit card. OK occasionally for big purchases but guaranteed bankruptcy if its maintained as a habit.
That well know ultra leftist George Lee has proposed that the 5 year timescale is too severe and should be extended. It is the main driving force - yes the deficit needs to be addressed, but the timescale is driven by trying to keep onside with the ECB. Stop NAMA if the national debt is the big issue.
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only way to look at it is that the goverment is a company (one that will never close), in any company when youre losing money, there are obvious places that the money is disappearing, and the holes have to be plugged, in this case it wages and expensis,
personally i cant see why they cant just set a limit where noone below that set limit will be affected by a pay cut, get the industrial average wage, anyone above it takes a pay cut, anyone below doesnt,
you have mutibillion euro companies paying there accountant staff 30-40,000 euro a year to do there job, thats private sector work, but id say the same job in the public sector pays higher, not to mention a guaranteed pension on retirement,
it really ****ed me off when they started complaining about having to pay for there state guaranteed pension, the cheek of it, if i paid 80 euro a week for the next 40 years of my employment and the economy goes bust in 39 years, ill be f***ed, and theyll be grand,
some of these people need to learn a bit of perspective, really come on
Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.
Yeah, just because you (or INM) say so makes it true.
Started to pay? You mean apart from the 15% they were already paying.
You're falling for the Government and other right wingers plan hook, line and sinker Don Ramo. Devide and conquer, when it actually is worker against the elite. They're happy to fill us full of crap about needing pay cuts across the economy, but then use spurious stats to say they shouldn't have to pay more tax, tell us that we must bail out the bankers and developers for the guts of €100bn and totally ignore that it's their competition and privatisation agenda which has been the real driver of our uncompetitiveness.
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..........you what now?
We used to have one of the cheapest utility charges in the EU, since "competition" we now have one of the highest. How's our telecomms infrastructure done since privatisation in keeping up with EU norms?
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Margaret Thatcher anyone?? - Stand Strong against those Commie Red Public Sector Trade Unions - Arthur Scargill Posturing and Fantasists living in a Jame Larkin never never land of whoopsy Ideology - Raise Taxes my Ass.....
Baseball Bats or Hurleys available for mid-november showdown with the unions - we'll be the ones at the back with a menacing presences and T-Shirts with image of Henry Ford.
I wonder how much the ICTU spent on the postal campaign that went out today. Full colour printing on the letter and the envelope, plus stickers, plus postage to every house in Ireland? Very odd.
Not at all Adam, when you think about it.
The next 6-12 months is the union movement's Alamo.
Either they win the battle and limit the budget impact to their members (at the expense of cuts elsewhere) and future Governments, probably for the next generation, will think twice before picking a fight with them
OR
they lose and as happened in the UK, within a few years unions go from having real bargaining power and influence, to a situation where they have nuisance value, at best.
No wonder ICTU is going all out.
I was thinking more about the methodology, cost is a side effect. I just get confused when I see a group representing organisations that are already in trouble for overpaying their managers, spending silly money on a massive mailshot, when, in this economic climate and political clusterfeck, any jackass could get exactly the same coverage with a carefully worded press release. I dunno, perhaps they have money to flush down the toilet. I just thought...
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