What is up with Matty Holland? He tries his heart out for Charlton but is nearly always invisible for Ireland. He wasn't in his favourite position last night but he still could have put in a bit more effort. He didn't move into the middle enough and if he doesn't start putting in a bit more effort he should be dropped.
My midfield for the world cup qualifiers would be:
Duff-----Kavanagh-----A.Reid-----Miller
or
Duff-----Kavanagh------Delap------A.Reid
why the obsession with miller who has proved nothing yet? and dropping kilbane is obviously a clever choice !! seen as he is our most consistent player at the moment .. Mattys job was to stay out on the right and protect carr against the attack we presumed was going to come from roberto carlos and he done a steady job.
If we play Kilbane we are going to have to drop either Duff or Reid as it would be ridiclous to play three natural left wingers in the same team. Duff and Reid are our most creative players and will set up most of Irelands goals.
Of course Kilbane is playing superb for his club but so is Finnan and Connolly. So is Juninho for Boro but can't make it into the Brazilian team. Think of the amount of keepers Italy have and they can only pick one.
Its just tough look that Kilbane has to fight it out with Duff and Reid for a place.
I love it, Millers proved nothing but we can't drop Kilbane!
Duff Miller Delap Reid for me. Reids out of position but he's got the ability to adapt, he plays all over for Forest. Delaps well worth a chance, he could be that physical presence needed in mid field to drive us on, and Miller just needs to maintain the form he's already showed and he'll be a revelation. Duff picks himself.
I don't know why people keep going on about Delap, the times I saw hin play he was crap.
Holland is another that should be got rid of.
Reid is a bit light but needs to get playing in the premiership.
All the players should be given a run out over the next few games. We should also try Finnan at left back as O'Shea looks crap at the moment.
Not sure why everybody wants Delap either. Hasn't done anything IMO.
It's tricky. I'm a big fan of Kilbane but I can't see him fitting in at all unless Duffy plays up front and it doesn't look likely at the moment. Andy Reid isn't physical enough to play in the centre.
So my midfield would look something like:
Duff Kavanagh Holland Healy/Reid
Yet you pick a first division player ahead of him, with about a combined total of roughly two matches worth of international experience?Originally posted by Falconblade
Not sure why everybody wants Delap either. Hasn't done anything IMO.
Delap hasn't done anything because he's never got the chance, time for a change in the next two matches. He's been class any and every time I've seen him for Southampton, exactly what we need in there.
Reid isn't physical, but light weight he isn't, if anything he needs to lose a bit of weight from what I've seen.
Clearly our midfield should be
Finnan - Miller - Healy - Duff
If they are all fit.
Could have Reid sitting behind the front two and Duff on the left. Very hard to be honest. You cant really drop Kilbane and Reid deserves a chance, alternate between the two. Reid doesnt need to be in the premiership, the nationwide is a very strong league.
That would be too light a mid field. I see no reason why we really 'can't drop Kilbane', if he's not in our best mid field then that's all there is too it.Originally posted by petef
Could have Reid sitting behind the front two and Duff on the left. Very hard to be honest. You cant really drop Kilbane and Reid deserves a chance, alternate between the two. Reid doesnt need to be in the premiership, the nationwide is a very strong league.
yeah but the fact is without duffer he is our strongest midfielder at the moment. Miller is all potential which has yet to be put to test on the big stage so how people can say he should be a regular is beyond me !
A few champions league games and hes suddenly a regular international..
Midfield Of - Reid - Kavanagh - Kilbane - Duff
with choice of mcateer , holland, miller and healy as replacements
I wouldn't fancy playing the French or anyone for that matter witha midfield of above. Kavanagh and reid are first division players, unproven at this level.Originally posted by only1kilbane
yeah but the fact is without duffer he is our strongest midfielder at the moment. Miller is all potential which has yet to be put to test on the big stage so how people can say he should be a regular is beyond me !
A few champions league games and hes suddenly a regular international..
Midfield Of - Reid - Kavanagh - Kilbane - Duff
with choice of mcateer , holland, miller and healy as replacements
Duff - Miller - Holland - Finnan for me.
Where's this fasination with Kavanagh come from. He's a first division player and proved it against Brazil. He lacks the skill to go around players and his crossing of the ball is appalling. He does try very hard and he's got at presurrising players but other than that there's not much to him. I would struggle to put him in the squad.
Miller? hes got f all experience, is injured at the moment and will not be playing for a long while yet as I cant see O'Neill bothering to play him if hes going. When he moves to Manu he'll end up being a bit part player and unfortunately probably move within a season or two. Noticed youve droped Kilbane as well, I've not been his greatest fan but no one can leave him out now going on his performance the other evening. Keep Kavanagh in but get someone else taking the free kicks. Andy Reids deliveries are excellent.
Sure Miller's an SPL player, unproven at this level.Originally posted by PaulB
Kavanagh and reid are first division players, unproven at this level.
Duff - Miller - Holland - Finnan for me.
As for Kavanagh, I thought he did well.
Kavanagh and Reid are first division players. Jesus we've got to look to the future, Kavanagh is 30/31, Miller has got the potential, and I agree that is all it is. But when fit he's got to be given a chance. Even the Senior players say that when they used to play the under 21s, he used to run the show.Originally posted by petef
Miller? hes got f all experience, is injured at the moment and will not be playing for a long while yet as I cant see O'Neill bothering to play him if hes going. When he moves to Manu he'll end up being a bit part player and unfortunately probably move within a season or two. Noticed youve droped Kilbane as well, I've not been his greatest fan but no one can leave him out now going on his performance the other evening. Keep Kavanagh in but get someone else taking the free kicks. Andy Reids deliveries are excellent.
The problem with Miller is that he most likely will not play any competitive football until August at the earliest, assuming that he can force his way into contention at United. He is highly unlikely to be ready to face France or Switzerland so soon after.
The potential is definitely there, but it won't be seen in the next few friendlies. Kerr should take him to the US, have a look at him over an extended period and give hima shot there, but at the moment, there are players who are regulatly playing first team football who are ahead of him on the pecking order.
Holland Delap Kilbane Duff
No Colin Healy (ever again hopefully) and no dropping Liam Miller straight in yet. Not playing enough football and has only really impessed two and a half times by my count (Rangers, Lyon and Anderlecht). Hardly ideal preperation for the French and don't get me started on Partick Thistle reserves...
So overall we've got:
Holland
Delap
Kilbane
Duff
Miller
McAteer
Kavanagh
S.Reid
A.Reid
Carsley
Kinsella
Healy
Is that about it realistically? Maybe Finnan as a midfielder too?
That's twelve players not including the Liverpool man though you could shed the bottom three without me shedding too many tears though Kinsella was a fine player a few years ago.
The ball is round and has many surprises.
The way I see it there is only one midfield position up for grabs.
Duff is an automatic choice on the left.
Finnan should play on the right because he is one of our best players and he has to be accomidated in the team.
Miller should clearly be given a chance in the centre as he has shown great potential.
That leaves one midfield position to be filled and with the possible return of Roy Keane for the qualifiers (although its a long shot), we may not have too far to look.
Why is everyone going on about Miller the guys not going to play a game until August at least! He'll no way be ready to go straight into the team.
Last edited by petef; 20/02/2004 at 4:56 PM.
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