Return of the Roy?

[Beavis]

Originally posted by Slash/ED
Are you sure? From memory the next match was the famous Middlesbourgh match that Keane walked out on watching from the stands.

See this:
http://www.manutd.com/clubheritage/2...8&eventid=8333

From the above link
and Roy Keane also made an earlier appearance then expected after his battle with a damaged knee.

How convenient.....

Originallyposted by ticktok
I'm very pro Keane Pretty convincing arguments can be made for both sides of this

If you can see that there are relevant points on both sides how can you be so pro-Keane?would this not be a contradiction?
I obviously come across as pro-Mick but in actually fact,discounting events surrounding the Iran games,I am not strongly in support of either side.I think the whole thing is too convoluted and complicated to be ardently in favour of either.

[tiktok]

Originally posted by Beavis
If you can see that there are relevant points on both sides how can you be so pro-Keane?would this not be a contradiction?

Maybe to say I understand the alternative view would have been more accurate, but I do understand a lot of the problems the anti-keane lobby would have.
I don't for a second deny that Keane was out of order in the meeting (though i think he was blatantly provoked). I think our as captain he should have put ego aside for the duration of the WC and retired after (but I thnk Mc Carthy should have done exactly the same).
I understand why people bring up Iran (although i strongly disagree), but I've laid out where I lie on that too, he came back early from a relatively serious injury to play in the first leg, he hadn't trained properly before it and did take a risk, at the time no-one had a problem with him playing one game, but now it's used (incorrectly) as proof that he was disloyal.
I think being Pro-Keane comes down to a number of factors, the main one being as an EL fan I saw the FAI as a very unprofessional, junket taking, risible excuse for a football association. Maybe I'm also more sympathetic toward him because I also support Man United, who knows.

[thecorner]

Originally posted by only1kilbane
changing quotes my arse ?


he knows how the papers will construe them..

eh!!!!!!!!!please explain how u managed to contradict yourself

[1MickCollins]

He's not coming back, it's just column filler in da papers.

From the Independant: "when _pressed_ on a possible return yesterday, Keane said: "I don't know, I think it's a hard question to answer, you'd have to ask the manager I suppose...

...I think it's important to move on...

...People talk about me coming back but I think it's important to move on."

...if I was to come back it would have to be just qualifying matches...


I don't think Kerr could allow a player to selet the games he played in, you can't have one rule for one player and another for everyone else. Ireland did well in the WC without him, would we have beaten Spain with him? He is a great player but he carries too much baggage now.

[sylvo]

This seem's to bring back ould and recent memory's of the name sake of the last poster mick collins, are we going to all have a collins v de velara type row about Keane and mccarthy for the next three generation's, i hope not, Let's be frank, in saipan Roy did'nt win, mick did'nt win anyone who was a fan of Irish football did'nt win, in fact we all lost regarldless of what your feeling's now or @ the time were. We have got to move on Mick's gone and Roy's gone, yes we don't have a player like keane waiting in the wing's to take over, but all we can do is put what happened behind us and move on. I want to see the best team out there for Ireland regardless of who the are , Brain Kerr said the same thing, what happened in saipan should be left there, maybe history's taught us nothing.

[parnell ranger]

Y not bring back brady lawrenson and mcgrath?after all they're still breathing too.
the FAI,the team and most supporters have moved on from those ridiculous but sad times and are heading in the right direction.
We certainly dont need keane as much as he needs us.im sure when he saw france pop out in our group he realised what he will miss especially with united lookin like they'll win nothing for the forseeable future.
The guy was our best ever player but now he belongs in the past.

[Plastic Paddy]

Originally posted by sylvo
maybe history's taught us nothing.

The age-old Irish problem, non?

PP

[the scout]

never in the history of irish football has one persons ego been given such attention.i think we should all (the whole football interested people)snchronise our watches ,and at exactly say 12 midnight shout at the top
of our voices
*********fcuk off roy you pr1ck,once and for all##########
he would hear us from anywhere!!!!!!!!

[only1kilbane]

that seems like the best idea we have had in the forum. Why doesnt the ****er just let sleeping dogs lie. If he had come back in February when he had the chance there would not have been so much anymosity. IMO he has no intentions of actually coming back just a bit of attention for the poor chap again. Why he even answered the papers questions on the subject is beyond me? he knows they will put words into his mouth !

[thecorner]

Originally posted by only1kilbane
Why he even answered the papers questions on the subject is beyond me? he knows they will put words into his mouth !

and then u go and contradict yourself again

[only1kilbane]

not contradicting myself at all mate !

the dick should not have agreed to answer those questions he lines the one liners up and they make the answers look a bit jucier. The gob****e knows what he is saying he is just looking for us all to basically fawn over him again.

He was a irish hero but his time has gone his betrayal will not be forgiven.

End of Story

[Footie_Fan]

Originally posted by lopez
If you were around at the time you would remember that there were X amount of teams in the playoffs, plus one team automatically through as best second place team (Scotland). Guess who narrowly missed out on that elusive best second place?

Yes I was "around" for your information and I think you will find we were no where near that automatic spot for best second place.

Runners-up Comparision

TEAM P W D L F A GD PTS
1 * SCOTLAND 6 4 1 1 8 2 +6 13
2 Italy 6 3 3 0 5 0 +5 12
3 Belgium 6 4 0 2 11 11 0 12
4 Russia 6 3 2 1 12 5 +7 11
5 Croatia 6 3 2 1 11 8 +3 11
6 Yugoslavia 6 3 2 1 7 5 +2 11
7 Republic Of Ireland 6 2 2 2 8 6 +2 8
8 Ukraine 6 2 2 2 5 5 0 8
9 Hungary 6 1 3 2 4 7 -3 6

So as you can clearly see if Roy scored that penalty (which by the way hadn't been decided before the match who would take it if it came by McCarthy) Ireland would have drawn 1-1 with Romania and even then if we had beaten Lithuania at home we would still only have an extra 3 points. Beating Iceland would have been irrelevent for this table as only the results against the top team and the two below the second place team were counted.

So if you could please stop pointing out your ignorance with your inaccurate information.

[thecorner]

Originally posted by only1kilbane
changing quotes my arse ? i



Why answer them questions in the interview at all the gob****e,
he knows how the papers will construe them..

contradiction

[lopez]

Originally posted by tiktok
I don't want to get too far off topic Lopez, but we should have aimed higher and done better at that World Cup, even without Keane. Screw the Scots, getting to the Finals shouldn't mark the end of the jouney anymore, it's that kind of thinking that lets us gloss over poor performances and turn out in our hundreds of thousands in Phoenix park to welcome back teams yet to match our first WC outing.

With all due respect, Ireland is not Brazil. We don't have the 150m of them, the 110m of Turkey, the 90m of Germany or the 60m of France. The sport is popular but is held back through schools giving priority to other sports. I think that expecting the World Cup back is optimistic, especially missing what was our best and most influential player.

Originally posted by tiktok
I think being Pro-Keane comes down to a number of factors, the main one being as an EL fan I saw the FAI as a very unprofessional, junket taking, risible excuse for a football association. Maybe I'm also more sympathetic toward him because I also support Man United, who knows.

This is exactly it. Judas supporters and apologists, especially after the Scotland game, are Man U supporters. I've yet to meet one that isn't. Can anyone help?

[lopez]

Originally posted by Footie_Fan
Yes I was "around" ....So if you could please stop pointing out your ignorance with your inaccurate information.

Apolgies for getting my info wrong. I initially posted that you did not include the crap teams sides (hence the edit), but looking again see you have. Remember hearing that we were one win away from overtaking Scotland. Alas senility is creeping in.

[tiktok]

Originally posted by lopez
I think that expecting the World Cup back is optimistic, especially missing what was our best and most influential player.

Come on Lopez, don't go twisting my points about the place. I never said that ireland should have won the WC, but we had an excellent opportunity to do better than we had before and we didn't take it. I included a large share of the blame to Keane for us not achieving what we could have, as I said, both he and McCarthy should have had their heads knocked together and put the arguments off until the WC was over.

Originally posted by lopez
This is exactly it. Judas supporters and apologists, especially after the Scotland game, are Man U supporters. I've yet to meet one that isn't. Can anyone help?

I'm also a CCFC supporter and an Ireland fan, don't dismiss the point regarding my feelings toward the ineptitude of the FAI just because you got blinkered by the MUFC reference.

[lopez]

Originally posted by tiktok
Come on Lopez, don't go twisting my points about the place. I never said that ireland should have won the WC, but we had an excellent opportunity to do better than we had before and we didn't take it.

More humble pie, hmmmm!! You're right about what you said. But why stop at the quarter finals? Why stop at the semis? It's eleven versus eleven isn't it? But I think we are already punching way above our weight. Hate to see us like Brazil with a mass suicide every time we return without the cup.

Originally posted by tiktok
I'm also a CCFC supporter and an Ireland fan, don't dismiss the point regarding my feelings toward the ineptitude of the FAI just because you got blinkered by the MUFC reference.

There is a conflict of interests with Man U fans. And as far as I can see, they are the only people defending him (certainly it's not Cork people) and their club for doing the indefensible. Had he played for a team with no support in Ireland then it would only be his true friends and family sticking up for him.

The FAI are inept: I used to edit a London-Irish fanzine with a spoof letter from A. Moron in every issue, except the time that the professional Dutch FA put on a friendly with us in a stadium with just 12,000 seats. It's not just Merrion Mansions that f*cks up. Most FAs are run by (mostly) good-intentioned amateurs. It's better than corrupt politicos like Havelange's son in law in Brazil or Sadam's son in Iraq.

But if you want change, you put on a united front and fight for it like all workers. Keane - to give Judas a break - didn't do this. If his problem was McCarthy - probably our best ever manager even if he was hardly Ernst Happel or Helenio Herrera - then why not come back after his resignation? Why lie about his knees by playing in a money - making tour of the US? That's why I and many others imitate a bull in a cyber china shop.

[tricky_colour]

Originally posted by parnell ranger
Y not bring back brady lawrenson and mcgrath?after all they're still breathing too.
the FAI,the team and most supporters have moved on from those ridiculous but sad times and are heading in the right direction.
We certainly dont need keane as much as he needs us.im sure when he saw france pop out in our group he realised what he will miss especially with united lookin like they'll win nothing for the forseeable future.
The guy was our best ever player but now he belongs in the past.

Well if either them are top of an OPTA stata table then by all
means bring em back, you would be mad to leave the Premierships top passer out of your team.
Seems like Roy has a better chance of success with Ireland
than United in the remainder of his career.

[fergalr]

Originally posted by lopez
This is exactly it. Judas supporters and apologists, especially after the Scotland game, are Man U supporters. I've yet to meet one that isn't. Can anyone help?

You should get out more pal.

BTW, I find your use of the term "Judas supporters" infantile and offensive.

[tiktok]

Originally posted by lopez
Had he played for a team with no support in Ireland then it would only be his true friends and family sticking up for him.

maybe there's an element of truth to your MUFC point, but I honestly think I would have come down on his side purely because I felt McCarthy ambushed him with that meeting. As I've said in the past, I've read the Tom Humphries article many times and I still don't see what's wrong with it.

Originally posted by lopez
Most FAs are run by (mostly) good-intentioned amateurs.

That I do believe

Originally posted by lopez
Why lie about his knees by playing in a money - making tour of the US? That's why I and many others imitate a bull in a cyber china shop.

Lopez, we could end up outlasting the Celtic thread.
A club captain has to go on a pre-season tour where the club play against quality opposition, if the PLC (boo!hiss! by the way ) decide to turn it into a money spinner, that's not down to Roy. I was at one of those games and watched the others live, believe me when I say, those were proper preseason games and the contrary argument that Roy should have been training in England with the reserves and playing Rochdale just doesn't make sense...at all.