Lisbon Treaty poll

**dahamsta** · 06/10/2009, 5:37 PM

I wouldn't align myself with a party the way many do, i.e. because mammy and daddy do. However party politics is important on some levels, in particular because parties have policies and whips, and policies and whips get things done. So in the past I'd vote Green because I agreed with their policies, or Labour because they were left of centre, but as with everything, there are exceptions. Like Dan Boyle.

Of course now we know that the Greens only stick with the policies that suit them, and Labour is doing it's damndest to shed the red and pretend it's actually Fine Gael, there's no-one left for me to support.

adam

**Acornvilla** · 06/10/2009, 5:39 PM

Originally Posted by dahamsta

I wouldn't align myself with a party the way many do, i.e. because mammy and daddy do. However party politics is important on some levels, in particular because parties have policies and whips, and policies and whips get things done. So in the past I'd vote Green because I agreed with their policies, or Labour because they were left of centre, but as with everything, there are exceptions. Like Dan Boyle.

Of course now we know that the Greens only stick with the policies that suit them, and Labour is doing it's damndest to shed the red and pretend it's actually Fine Gael, there's no-one left for me to support.

adam

such optimism and trust in the moral obligations of your fellow man! typical irish! were all doomed and its raining again!

**jebus** · 06/10/2009, 6:43 PM

Originally Posted by dahamsta

I wouldn't align myself with a party the way many do, i.e. because mammy and daddy do. However party politics is important on some levels, in particular because parties have policies and whips, and policies and whips get things done. So in the past I'd vote Green because I agreed with their policies, or Labour because they were left of centre, but as with everything, there are exceptions. Like Dan Boyle.

Of course now we know that the Greens only stick with the policies that suit them, and Labour is doing it's damndest to shed the red and pretend it's actually Fine Gael, there's no-one left for me to support.

adam

This is actually the exact situation I find myself in now

To my eternal shame I gave the Green's my number one preference last time out thinking they would never abuse power in the same manner as the rest would. They're not getting anything from me ever again and have joined Fianna Fail on my 'never will get a vote off me' list.

Fine Gael, well I like Bruton and Varadkar (don't kill me) but Kenny isn't a leader that inspires confidence. Labour tick a few right boxes for me, but I have the same problem as yourself with them these days as they seem to be swinging more towards being Fine Gael's best buddies, rather than a party in their own right. Who's left? The Socialists I have a problem with for two reasons

1) Their kids remind me of the Hitler Youth in their utter and unblinking devotion to the cause, basically they scare me somewhat

2) Often I think the Party stands for what they want to have a rant about this month. Case in point: there were posters around this time last year asking people to come to a meeting on whether Obama is really going to be a left wing president (or some such wording). My problem with this is a) himself and McCain were running pretty close in the polls at the time, no need to take about his presidency at that time, b) I'd argue that it's really none of their business anyway (yes it's America I know) and c) it just seemed like yet another excuse by the socialists to have a rant and agree with each other about how crap America is yet again.

So I'm kind of in limbo. Maybe I should try and find an American girl to marry so I can just become an Official Obamaite altogether, which is all I really want anyway

**mypost** · 06/10/2009, 6:44 PM

Originally Posted by Acornvilla

i dont see us voting yes as the end of the world as most no voters seem to think.

I even heard a man say that if we vote yes therel be no more farmers!? what the hell kind of statment is that?
And that minnimm wage crap just made me angry and people seem to think that by voting yes we will all have to go fight in iraq and have abortions!

Ignorant people really anoy me!

Don't want to discuss the treaty here, but Both sides didn't want to discuss Article 31 Section 7, subsection (vii), Part a, and that's fair enough. However here is some of what we KNOW will happen

The President issue is not inaccurate, it is fact, it will happen.
The Foreign Minister issue is not inaccurate, it will happen.
The Voting Weight issue is not inaccurate, it will happen.
The ending of Referendums here is not inaccurate, it will happen.
The increased spending on militarisation is not inaccurate, it is compulsory and will happen.

That's what we know will happen, let alone what could happen. I'm not happy with that, so my No vote was inevitable.

**carrickharp** · 06/10/2009, 8:03 PM

Being from Donegal I voted no of course!!

**BohsPartisan** · 07/10/2009, 8:11 AM

Originally Posted by jebus

This is actually the exact situation I find myself in now

Answer is simple Jebus. Get the Limerick Soviet up and running again.

**bennocelt** · 07/10/2009, 8:39 AM

Originally Posted by mypost

Don't want to discuss the treaty here, but Both sides didn't want to discuss Article 31 Section 7, subsection (vii), Part a, and that's fair enough. However here is some of what we KNOW will happen

The President issue is not inaccurate, it is fact, it will happen.
The Foreign Minister issue is not inaccurate, it will happen.
The Voting Weight issue is not inaccurate, it will happen.
The ending of Referendums here is not inaccurate, it will happen.
The increased spending on militarisation is not inaccurate, it is compulsory and will happen.

That's what we know will happen, let alone what could happen. I'm not happy with that, so my No vote was inevitable.

What u make of the Coca Cola protest - surely that is a sign of things to come?
Wonder how much an hour the contract workers are getting?

About the result - bloody embaressing, the Irish have absolutely no backbone, wrap the flag around me - my arse

**dahamsta** · 07/10/2009, 10:36 AM

Originally Posted by bennocelt

What u make of the Coca Cola protest - surely that is a sign of things to come?

Although I think a massive wave of strikes is on the way*, Coca Cola shouldn't be misconstrued as a "sign" per se. Cost cutting is inavoidable for most Irish companies for survival right now, whereas cost cutting in corporations like Coke is about maintaining or even boosting profits. Of course the Irish companies that did the same thing during the boom are as bad.

adam

* Unless the yay-saying economists are actually right, and we are coming out of recession. Which would be a terrible thing imho, because we'll just go back to behaving the way we did, causing a full-blown depression.