I think if they just seeded the lowest ranking teams it would solve the problem
I think its a disgrace that this is happening but we are obviously a small voice. As usual, the big boys rule but surely if they are going to do it this way, they should update their seedings to include the whole qualification tournament, including the final 2 games, this would be fairer. Not that fairness ever came into anything Sepp Blatter was ever involved inOriginally Posted by ChrisRed
“I’d always play Pirlo but Trapatoni says his first concern is to avoid losing goals. The truth is that we didn’t know what we were doing out there" Gennaro Gattuso, June 2004.
you mean have the top four teams in the 2nd place teams playing the fifth to eighth teams.... we'd still be in the bottom half...I think its a disgrace that this is happening but we are obviously a small voice. As usual, the big boys rule but surely if they are going to do it this way, they should update their seedings to include the whole qualification tournament, including the final 2 games, this would be fairer. Not that fairness ever came into anything Sepp Blatter was ever involved in
I hadnt worked out all the permutations but all I was suggesting that it would have to be fairer to base the seedings on the most updated version of the the standings not 2 games ago. I wasn't actually making a case for or against Ireland.
“I’d always play Pirlo but Trapatoni says his first concern is to avoid losing goals. The truth is that we didn’t know what we were doing out there" Gennaro Gattuso, June 2004.
read my post!!where did I say attack them? all I stated was that Irish fans were often treated badly abroad and whenever the opposition returned here there was absolutely no intimidation. Now I don't know about you, but I'd be making it bloody intimidating for them.Now, get back on your high horse
It's a shocker alright, and it could be critical. One thing though - why do RTE keep saying that if we win both games we'll win the group, when clearly Italy need to drop points in their final game also...I think its a disgrace that this is happening but we are obviously a small voice. As usual, the big boys rule but surely if they are going to do it this way, they should update their seedings to include the whole qualification tournament, including the final 2 games, this would be fairer. Not that fairness ever came into anything Sepp Blatter was ever involved in
You said that it's sad that supporters of a country where Irish fans were attacked would get a warm welcome. It doesn't take much reading between the lines but if I misinterpreted what you meant, I'm sorry.
The atmosphere should be intimidating for all visiting teams but being friendly to fans outside of the game is nothing to be ashamed about. Anyone I met in Montenegro was very friendly but they created a pretty intimidating atmosphere in the ground, without there being any threat of violence.
We're not arrogant, we're just better.
Okay can somebody please clarify/correct my understanding of these possible scenarios/outcomes. The seeding is definately based on the FIFA world rankings?
If this is so, then as far as I can see, we would be a seeded team if Lativa were to beat Greece away and molvova at home. Similarly, if Sweden got second spot by beating Denmark away and albania home, we'd be seeded along with (probably) France, Russia-Germany and Croatia-Ukraine. Unseeded would probably be Bosnia, Latvia, Sweden and Slovenia.
This is correct. However, rankings are released three days before the draw and if sweden won their games and we didn't, we'd probably drop below them in the rankings and they would be seeded and we wouldn't. I think I'm right in saying we are 39 and they are 41 currently.
I'd agree Slovenia are slight favorite to finish second in group 3, but if they lose in Slovakia while Czechia beat Poland in the penultimate round, the Czechs would sneak second by also beating NI in the last round. Regardless of Slovenia's expected win in San Marino, and likely leaving the Czechs as a play-off seed.
Current
1 sk 8-19
2 si 8-14
3 ni 9-14
4 cs 8-12
5 pl 8-11
6 sm 9-0
I can agree with you that Bulgaria may win their last two matches but can you at least be reasonable and admit that if Italy lost to us they would probably NOT lose to Cyprus? I realize technically there is a chance it could happen just as there is a chance I could win mega millions. But it is human nature as a fan to think of the logical other avenues at this point instead of all of us just debating what Cyprus needs to do to beat Italy.
Its just annoying when you say we should be concentrating on the best possible out come, Italy is not dropping the last two matches!!!!
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No Somos muchos pero estamos locos.
Ok. I agree of course its a long shot but its not past tense and we havent or cant win the group - we can.
If we beat Italy on the 10th I really dont think Italy will coast to an easy victory against Cyprus, If they win (which is the more likely outcome I agree) then I think it will be a very tense and very close affair - so who knows - it is all to play for.
I thought you were off the drink Ronnie?
"No, I drink to help me mind my own business....can I get you one? (c) Ronnie Drew
This rule should have to be ratified by all UEFA teams. I for one demand a referendum!
"If you don't work harder I'll pull you off at halftime,"
“Crikey, at Manchester City all we get is an orange and a cup of tea,"
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/b...-briain-column
Dara O'Brien's take on the matter in yesterday's Guardian.
well a draw for Cyrpus would be enough Dara
I wonder how much he gets paid for that tripe. His writing stlye is exactly the same as his verbal style so presumably he just phones it in. Horrible drivel and unworthy of the Guardian.
He has taken over from Russell Brand (jokey Saturday column). Nice little earner I bet. I'm surprised a blog about Ireland has received so many comments!
It's a sickener alright. Should have made it clear at the start what way the draw was going to be. Typical FIFA.
Cheers Dara for stating the blindingly obvious and you still managed to balls it up.
this isn't fully clear. regardless of what sweden do, we need latvia to win in greece to propel us into the top 4 seeds right?
in fact, if latvia do win in greece we probably want sweden to only draw in denmark (and still finish second) as were they to win the ranking points they get would probably put them as 4th seed.
the current standings again:
Russia/Germany (6/4)
Croatia (9)
France (10)
Greece/Latvia (12/58)
Ireland (38 )
Sweden (41)
Bosnia (46)
Slovenia (54)
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