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    Quote Originally Posted by geysir View Post
    I don't know if the player transfer market values are accurate, but there's an uncanny relationship between squad transfer market value and the table position end of season.
    B&H Albion are 17th in both tables.
    I think he'll be leaving with distinction. He's been there 5 seasons, long enough, probably has been their longest serving manager since football was invented. He'll get plenty of other job offers, no problem.
    To a certain extent that's chicken and egg stuff. Are they assembling a squad of accumulative lesser value or is their position in the league reflected in individual players valuations. But I think transfermarkt uses the teams performances, league and player position to value players to a certain extent. For example, both Dunk and Duffy are valued at £10.8m which is really low to me. I'd have them both in the £20-25m range along with Pascal Gross who has been linked to Liverpool and is valued at £9m and is surely closer to £20m than £10m.

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    That maybe, but the end result obtained is a remarkable similarity between the position in the table of monetary value and the league table position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olé Olé View Post
    Someone mentioned Hughton to Celtic to me. Interesting shout. Rodgers managed to re-build his career up there. And he has the Irish link to Celtic.
    Hughton has been a pretty defensive minded manager for the most part so not sure he'd be a good fit at Celtic. I suppose you could argue the same with Newcastle and he did well there. That's a good while back though at this stage.

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    I was thinking Middlesbrough myself.
    Perfect!

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    Middlesbrough is akin to joining the civil service.
    Why doesn't he just take a year of, go climb Everest or K2, solo, with or without an O2 tank.

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    If potter takes the Brighton job it might open opportunities for molumby and Connolly potter seemed to bring youth through at Swansea but maybe that was necessity more than choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeLorean View Post
    Hughton has been a pretty defensive minded manager for the most part so not sure he'd be a good fit at Celtic. I suppose you could argue the same with Newcastle and he did well there. That's a good while back though at this stage.



    Perfect!
    Is it natural that a former defender like Hughton will be defensive minded and a former attacker will be attack-minded?

    I think Mick McCarthy has struck a nice balance managing Ireland in the past. Hopefully he will again.

    Hughton deserves to be in the premier league in my opinion.
    But I can see him going back to the championship before Christmas. Any club would be lucky to have him.

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    Already being linked with West Brom: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football...otion-failure/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fixer82 View Post
    Is it natural that a former defender like Hughton will be defensive minded and a former attacker will be attack-minded?
    There are probably loads of examples for and against that theory. I suppose it depends on resources and circumstances too sometimes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tetsujin1979 View Post
    I was thinking Middlesbrough myself.
    I'm not saying the Middlesbrough board read foot.ie, but I'm not saying they don't either https://www.mfc.co.uk/news/club-statement-tony-pulis
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeLorean View Post
    Hughton has been a pretty defensive minded manager for the most part so not sure he'd be a good fit at Celtic. I suppose you could argue the same with Newcastle and he did well there. That's a good while back though at this stage.
    Hughton works with what he has available - if you don't have the players you can't play attacking football.

    When Brighton were in the Championship Hughton had them playing an attacking passing-orientated game. When they got into the PL playing like that would have brought a 6-0 hammering every week.

    Hughton did a remarkable job keeping Brighton in the PL for two seasons - particularly given the fact that he didn't have control over transfers - something that is underappreciated by fans who think their club should be constantly progressing. Hughton is a very under-rated manager. Next season Potter will be manager and if he attempts to do what he did with Swansea this season, Brighton will be relegated by Christmas. The step up from the Championship to the PL is massive - particularly when you don't have a striker capable of 15 goals a season (or two capable of getting 25 between them).

    As for Hughton going to Celtic - he would be an excellent choice for them - but I think his attitude will be that he still has something to prove in the PL. He will probably have to drop to the Championship again (possibly WBA) and get promoted. If he is given 4-5 years at a club in the PL he will prove how good he is. The again he is 60 years old and he may relish the prospect of managing a club playing in Europe before he is finished.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jolly Red Giant View Post
    Hughton works with what he has available - if you don't have the players you can't play attacking football.

    When Brighton were in the Championship Hughton had them playing an attacking passing-orientated game. When they got into the PL playing like that would have brought a 6-0 hammering every week.

    Hughton did a remarkable job keeping Brighton in the PL for two seasons - particularly given the fact that he didn't have control over transfers - something that is underappreciated by fans who think their club should be constantly progressing. Hughton is a very under-rated manager. Next season Potter will be manager and if he attempts to do what he did with Swansea this season, Brighton will be relegated by Christmas. The step up from the Championship to the PL is massive - particularly when you don't have a striker capable of 15 goals a season (or two capable of getting 25 between them).

    As for Hughton going to Celtic - he would be an excellent choice for them - but I think his attitude will be that he still has something to prove in the PL. He will probably have to drop to the Championship again (possibly WBA) and get promoted. If he is given 4-5 years at a club in the PL he will prove how good he is. The again he is 60 years old and he may relish the prospect of managing a club playing in Europe before he is finished.
    I agree worth all of the above

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jolly Red Giant View Post
    Hughton works with what he has available - if you don't have the players you can't play attacking football.

    When Brighton were in the Championship Hughton had them playing an attacking passing-orientated game. When they got into the PL playing like that would have brought a 6-0 hammering every week.

    Hughton did a remarkable job keeping Brighton in the PL for two seasons - particularly given the fact that he didn't have control over transfers - something that is underappreciated by fans who think their club should be constantly progressing. Hughton is a very under-rated manager. Next season Potter will be manager and if he attempts to do what he did with Swansea this season, Brighton will be relegated by Christmas. The step up from the Championship to the PL is massive - particularly when you don't have a striker capable of 15 goals a season (or two capable of getting 25 between them).

    As for Hughton going to Celtic - he would be an excellent choice for them - but I think his attitude will be that he still has something to prove in the PL. He will probably have to drop to the Championship again (possibly WBA) and get promoted. If he is given 4-5 years at a club in the PL he will prove how good he is. The again he is 60 years old and he may relish the prospect of managing a club playing in Europe before he is finished.
    That's fair. I'll bow to your superior knowledge as to the type of football Brighton played in the Championship, I honestly don't know. I always have it in the back of my mind the way he ended up treating (omitting) Wes Hoolahan, as a toothless Norwich plummeted towards the relegation zone. Obviously I'm biased, but it was counter productive in the extreme given their lack of creativity.

    I'm not as sure that he'd be an excellent choice for Celtic but would love to see him do well there if he did get it.

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    If he did get the Celtic job then perhaps he could play a more attacking style of football . He could possibly get away with trying that there , where it is very risky at a club like Brighton trying to stay in the top division in England .

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeLorean View Post
    That's fair. I'll bow to your superior knowledge as to the type of football Brighton played in the Championship, I honestly don't know. I always have it in the back of my mind the way he ended up treating (omitting) Wes Hoolahan, as a toothless Norwich plummeted towards the relegation zone. Obviously I'm biased, but it was counter productive in the extreme given their lack of creativity.

    I'm not as sure that he'd be an excellent choice for Celtic but would love to see him do well there if he did get it.
    13 wins - 6 draws - 1 defeat in the last 20 games of 2015-2106 - including beating Bristol City, Leeds and QPR 4-0 and Fulham 5-0. His teams scored 72 goals and had 17 different goalscorers.

    In 2016-2017 - after the beginning of October Brighton were in the top two for the rest of the season - scoring 74 goals and had four players score more than 12 goals each (Murray got 25).

    You can go back further - when he was manager of Newcastle in 2010-2011 his team played free flowing attacking football - beating Villa 6-0, Sunderland 5-1 and being involved in many high scoring games (including several they lost). Hughton knew they were not going to be relegated and with players at his disposal he let them off the leash. He was sacked by Ashley because Ashley wanted a 'bigger name' and then he gave the job to Alan bloody Pardew - probably the most over-rated English manager of the last 20 years.

    At both Norwich and Brighton he had little to work with. I loved Wes Hoolahan but Hughton couldn't afford to commit to attack - that Norwich team would have been ripped apart. Man City beat them 7-0, Liverpool 5-1 - they had to grind out results just like at Brighton this season. Brighton had the third lowest wage bill in the PL - he got them to one place higher. Southampton finished one spot above Brighton and paid their players more than double the wages - Southampton had 14 players paid more than the highest paid player at Brighton. On top of that - his two best attacking players were injured for most of the season. The guy did a remarkable job for Brighton - and it must be really frustrating for him that he keeps teams going and ends up getting the sack anyway. It takes years to build up a squad capable of sustained play in the PL because of the massive money gap between PL and Championship.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeLorean View Post
    That's fair. I'll bow to your superior knowledge as to the type of football Brighton played in the Championship, I honestly don't know. I always have it in the back of my mind the way he ended up treating (omitting) Wes Hoolahan, as a toothless Norwich plummeted towards the relegation zone. Obviously I'm biased, but it was counter productive in the extreme given their lack of creativity.

    I'm not as sure that he'd be an excellent choice for Celtic but would love to see him do well there if he did get it.
    The very questionable patch with Hughton in his whole managerial career was with Norwich in their relegation year, but that does not define the man, he's more than proved he's a very capable manager since. I'd be curious to see how he would do at Celtic with a team that's expected to dominate/attack all the time, and how he would deal with the challenge to get in to the CL group stages.

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    I have no doubt Hughton would be a good fit for Celtic. He’s proven he can play attacking football against inferior opposition but compete with a lesser side against big teams.

    Celtic is in that strange situation where they are expected to dominate domestically and play as underdogs on the continent — Hughton has the experience and the skillset to get the best of his team in both competitions.

    The only question is if he sees the Scottish league as beneath him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by irishfan86 View Post
    I have no doubt Hughton would be a good fit for Celtic. He’s proven he can play attacking football against inferior opposition but compete with a lesser side against big teams.

    Celtic is in that strange situation where they are expected to dominate domestically and play as underdogs on the continent — Hughton has the experience and the skillset to get the best of his team in both competitions.

    The only question is if he sees the Scottish league as beneath him.
    Careful now . Skirting close to being racist against the Scots there . I am not sure if , in these political correct days whether I am being serious or not .

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    Quote Originally Posted by geysir View Post
    The very questionable patch with Hughton in his whole managerial career was with Norwich in their relegation year, but that does not define the man, he's more than proved he's a very capable manager since. I'd be curious to see how he would do at Celtic with a team that's expected to dominate/attack all the time, and how he would deal with the challenge to get in to the CL group stages.
    There's nobody doubting that, both before and since I would say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jolly Red Giant View Post
    I loved Wes Hoolahan but Hughton couldn't afford to commit to attack - that Norwich team would have been ripped apart. Man City beat them 7-0, Liverpool 5-1 - they had to grind out results just like at Brighton this season.
    Interesting stats on Brighton and their Championship form. I didn't realise they were quite that prolific.

    I still disagree on Hoolahan. He played most of the previous season when they finished 11th, and he was outstanding. I remember looking at the the stats at the time and they didn't concede any more goals with Hoolahan starting than without, but created far less. Hoolahan didn't leave the bench for that 7-0 Manchester City match you mention, for example, so it's not as if leaving him out made them any more solid. Hughton remained stubborn until the end though despite Norwich getting worse and worse.

    I do agree that a manager needs time to build a Premier League team, but I couldn't help feeling Brighton had began to plummet under him. I can see why action was taken. They'd have probably been relegated but for the farcical decisions that went against Cardiff in that match against Chelsea a few weeks back, granted these things allegedly 'balance out' over a season. We'll never know if he'd have got them moving in the right direction again next season, maybe he would have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by irishfan86 View Post
    I have no doubt Hughton would be a good fit for Celtic. He’s proven he can play attacking football against inferior opposition but compete with a lesser side against big teams.

    Celtic is in that strange situation where they are expected to dominate domestically and play as underdogs on the continent — Hughton has the experience and the skillset to get the best of his team in both competitions.

    The only question is if he sees the Scottish league as beneath him.
    There's the redemption factor
    Then there's the legendary factor, in two years time he would be the Celtic manager left standing to hold aloft the 10 in a row spl trophy and about to complete the quintuple treble.
    Would that not get him seated at the right hand of Jock Stein?

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