Trapattonti's lack of experimentation

[Stuttgart88]

The stats don't show Trapp not knowing Delap was Irish last year. Or his lack of a presence at club football (until recently enough and I'd say that was down to pressure).

The problem is Trapps rigid windows of oppertunity for me.

Cappello has the balance of continuity and scanning just right I think.

You'd have to query Brady & Givens' input on Delap.

I trust Trapp's judgment. I don't trust the judgment of Givens.

The timing of the new caps is an issue to a good extent - St. Ledger was capped too late for example - but in most cases it's all been marginal for me.

[tetsujin1979]

one other thing I noticed was that, apart from Folan's 10-second cameo against Cyprus, all of Trapattoni's new caps have come in friendlies. Which shows he has been using the friendlies, and the B internationals, for experimentation with the players available to him, if not the system he plays them in.

[ifk101]

one other thing I noticed was that, apart from Folan's 10-second cameo against Cyprus, all of Trapattoni's new caps have come in friendlies. Which shows he has been using the friendlies, and the B internationals, for experimentation with the players available to him, if not the system he plays them in.

.... also the majority of new players capped by Trapattoni were involved in either the Portugal training camp or the Nottingham Forest B game before being capped.

[MariborKev]

i actually think this is a cultural thing , we see it as a minor incident as might alex ferguson( who came to get roy keane out of jail!) stephen kenny or even jack o'connor

Stephen Kenny has transferred players out of the club for less.......

[paul_oshea]

Stutts, whats the story with you and geysir in your 3 line posts:

Address the problem

Find a (possible) solution

Conclusion based on (possible) solution

[Murfinator]

ehhh there's no problem and no reason to criticise. Every uncapped player who isn't on the squad right now don't deserve to be, simple as.

[dr_peepee]

True... But ,for example, what had Trap seen of Liam Lawrence to decide Andy Keogh was the better option to play wide right against Italy? (This is not about Blaming Keogh for Italy's goal. Ironically someone got in behind Lawrence against SA much the same as what happended Keogh for Italy's goal. )

Stutts has said these things are marginal, and I understand that. But I also think only countries with strength and depth in playing resources such as England can absorb the marginals. I don't think we can. We have to be scanning for every possible advantage in every position. The scanning involved should extend to literally a couple of form players per squad as well as the B matches, Friendlies and get togethers. Not to mention more of a presence at club games. (This is after improving, admittedly).

[Stuttgart88]

Yeah, Lawrence is another that should have been capped / selected for a squad sooner, though he did call him up for the Forest game.

I think it's clear that Trapp tries new players in friendlies, and only in friendlies. He obviously likes them to have first hand experience of his way of doing things before trusting them in competitive action.

[Stuttgart88]

Stutts, whats the story with you and geysir in your 3 line posts:

Address the problem

Find a (possible) solution

Conclusion based on (possible) solution

And you call me autistic?

[stiffler]

in trap we trust!

[Crosby87]

And you call me autistic?

Thats offensive to Autistic people!

[mypost]

How much experimenting can he do? There is so much pressure on every game. And I am starting to see friendlys do not mean anything on any level especially evaluation.

Trap isn't an experimental boss. His role is to get us to the World Cup. Stan did an ocean of experimenting in the last campaign and we know where that got us. You can't have it every way, either or, will have to do.

[geysir]

Trap does plenty of experimenting the friendly games and once satisfied he will he will test the theory in the competitive game. He has given out plenty of competitive debuts, a similar number to Stan.

[NeilMcD]

Lads if you want experimenting, Scientists are the people you want and not football managers, and if you want a good Scientist, head down to Waterford.

[NeilMcD]

http://www.tribune.ie/sport/soccer/a...th-ugly-stick/

[Jicked]

http://www.tribune.ie/sport/soccer/a...th-ugly-stick/

Good spot that, and a great opening paragraph

FROM time to time you cannot help but wonder what Giovanni Trapattoni makes of us all. The Italian is mostly polite in the face of questioning and any anger that does occasionally escape is usually tinged with a touch of humour so as to take the sting from it. But when the Ireland manager hears that some in the country feel that we are capable of playing more attractive football – and in a more passionate manner too – and still come within two points of securing second spot in a highly competitive qualifying group, does he sit back over an espresso with Marco Tardelli and laugh at the very thought of an all-singing, all-dancing, fist-pumping side tearing the world's best apart with an artistic flourish? Or does he sit there with his assistant and merely feel sorry for the level of delusion that seems to affect a considerable (and vocal) minority of the international side's supporters and critics?

In a briefing with journalists on Wednesday, there were moments of real exasperation in the Italian's demeanour. When talk turned to Andy Reid, Trapattoni wore a face – for a moment, just a moment – that suggested that he could not believe that some people were still pushing the case of an enigmatic, unfit footballer, a hybrid between a winger and central midfielder who is not trusted by his club manager to start and finish a Premier League game. "You sit on the bench and make a team and after you can see why or no, you can see why choose [Reid] or why not choose," he answered one inquisitor in a fiery fashion and not long after he appeared equally angered by the suggestion that he didn't allow his players to pass the ball around. "If you ask the players [that], I want to be there to hear what they say. If my players say that is what I do then that is a different story but if you dream in the night this question, I cannot answer you when the question is not true."

You do have to wonder what Trap and Tardelli make of the whole experience thus far! That article is probably the best reading of the Irish squad i've seen in a while...spot on about people thinking Trap can't see that Kilbane isn't crash hot or the centre mid isn't creative, yet people don't see that he goes with it for a reason.

[geysir]

From the article
"Perhaps the greatest endorsement of Trapattoni's reign so far was the decision by RTE to broadcast the Italy v Bulgaria match during the week but that the great Irish public wanted the home side to lose to keep hopes of automatic qualification alive"

Not quite, a draw was what most people including Trap wanted.