Mayo Association Football League

**NoelM** · 30/09/2009, 8:42 AM

Originally Posted by yellowmonkey

It has probably been the worst year for called off fixtures. Not that the past few years have been much better. The gaps between games have been horrendous. The majority of these have been due to unavoidable circumstances. However the connaught and Fai cups take precedent over junior league fixtures at the end of the season causing the most important time of the year to be put on hold. Would it not now be more appropriate to start the league the first week of March and have most elements tied up before the external cups begin. That way clubs who want to can concentrate on that aspect while lower leagues are not effected? Games should be constant and regular like any normal league!

There was some proposal at the league meeting the other night to cut all leagues down to 8 teams in 2011 to help with the length of the season.

**quay heart** · 30/09/2009, 1:21 PM

Originally Posted by NoelM

There was some proposal at the league meeting the other night to cut all leagues down to 8 teams in 2011 to help with the length of the season.

i think the league should get rid off c teams(only one i think)and all b teams form a reserve league.

**swinfordfc** · 30/09/2009, 2:59 PM

Originally Posted by quay heart

i think the league should get rid off c teams(only one i think)and all b teams form a reserve league.

why not proposed it at the meeting?

**hardcore** · 30/09/2009, 4:01 PM

Originally Posted by quay heart

i think the league should get rid off c teams(only one i think)and all b teams form a reserve league.

Yawn!! Hasnt this b and c team argument been flogged to death? It would make no difference. If a clubs first team is good enough it will get past another clubs b or c team on its way up the leagues. If it cant, then that team has found its level. (3 c teams by the way)

**hardcore** · 30/09/2009, 4:07 PM

Originally Posted by NoelM

There was some proposal at the league meeting the other night to cut all leagues down to 8 teams in 2011 to help with the length of the season.

And this! how does an 8 team division improve things? 18 games a year is hardly a long season as it is. How is 14 games going to help a team?
and even playing every team 3 times a season will push it to 21 games, and make every team sick of the sight of one another, or embarras a stuggling team for 7 more games
What is wrong with keeping it as it is? Always has been 10 teams in the top division and never a problem before.

**FahyForever** · 30/09/2009, 6:25 PM

Originally Posted by hardcore

And this! how does an 8 team division improve things? 18 games a year is hardly a long season as it is. How is 14 games going to help a team?
and even playing every team 3 times a season will push it to 21 games, and make every team sick of the sight of one another, or embarras a stuggling team for 7 more games
What is wrong with keeping it as it is? Always has been 10 teams in the top division and never a problem before.

Agreed. What is the thinking behind this? It just seems like a pointless, knee-jerk reaction without any necessity behind it. Every year they seem to get the urge to re-brand and re-shuffle without any discernible improvement. One thing's for sure; the Mayo League have to instruct clubs of their intentions at the start of a new season, rather than spring them on them towards the end of one...

**murphs jewels** · 01/10/2009, 12:06 PM

Originally Posted by hardcore

Yawn!! Hasnt this b and c team argument been flogged to death? It would make no difference. If a clubs first team is good enough it will get past another clubs b or c team on its way up the leagues. If it cant, then that team has found its level. (3 c teams by the way)

Westport are the only "C" team in the league. Its high time that a reserve league was introduced and then we would have no hassle every year

**FahyForever** · 01/10/2009, 1:31 PM

Originally Posted by murphs jewels

Westport are the only "C" team in the league. Its high time that a reserve league was introduced and then we would have no hassle every year

Would a reserve league not create it's own problems too? There are currently 14 reserve teams in the league (including the only c team, Westport. Wherever Hardcore got 3 I don't know), and establishing a 13-14 team league would prove problematic in terms of the season's length, especially considering they think a ten-team league is too much.

What's the major malfunction here? Why fix what's not broken? The rules should be clear; two teams up and two down as long as they are not going into a division where the club have another team. That's only fair. The third team from bottom playing the third from top is just ****ing around, especially if the 'third team from top' is seventh in the league. If you don't finish in the top two then forget about promotion.. I know that that would mean neither Kilmore or Fahy would have gone up last time, but i think that's the way it should have been done personally.

That's just my opinion, what do other people think? I know I'm repeating myself, but the Mayo league waiting to see what happens and then deciding is a total and utter disgrace and shows blatant disrespect for the clubs involved. If Bangor and Swinford finished 1-2 in the Premier and say, Celtic were to finish second from bottom in the Super do you really think they would send them down now???? Not likely.

**hardcore** · 01/10/2009, 3:39 PM

Originally Posted by murphs jewels

Westport are the only "C" team in the league. Its high time that a reserve league was introduced and then we would have no hassle every year

My Bad! yes was thinking of last season?

**hardcore** · 01/10/2009, 3:40 PM

Originally Posted by FahyForever

Agreed. What is the thinking behind this? It just seems like a pointless, knee-jerk reaction without any necessity behind it. Every year they seem to get the urge to re-brand and re-shuffle without any discernible improvement. One thing's for sure; the Mayo League have to instruct clubs of their intentions at the start of a new season, rather than spring them on them towards the end of one...

Yes, defined rules and decisions at the start of the season and stick to them

**hardcore** · 01/10/2009, 3:44 PM

If Bangor and Swinford finished 1-2 in the Premier and say, Celtic were to finish second from bottom in the Super do you really think they would send them down now???? Not likely.[/QUOTE]

Think they would have to! Why wouldnt they in that case?
It does seem that only 1 will go down if the present set of circumstances remain till the end of the season. Seems ironic that if celtic were to end up 2nd bottom (real possibility) that westport b winning the prem div will keep them up!!! strange times indeed gentlemen!!!!

**Bestie** · 01/10/2009, 9:50 PM

Your comments are reasonable, and I do not wish to be standing up for the Mayo League but I think you have missed something at the meetings or discussions that took place over the past 12 months. Maybe you did not attend the meetings, and maybe the information given out has not been passed on to you correctly. You are certainly missing out on what the clubs are are saying to suggest that people are are waiting to see what happens.

**sinabhuil** · 02/10/2009, 9:07 AM

At the league meeting not one person spoke against the proposal to reduce the leagues to 8 teams. Whats happening here is the usual 'we must find something to talk about'. Despite having some reservations about their fining and other punishments the Mayo League is very well ran. Just look at the facilities, Milebush, Celtic Park, Manulla, Snugboro, Erris, Ballina, Ballyheane,.. Try to praise an odd time lads. Very tiring when you are in authority (voluntarily) and you get keep getting knocked. Well done Bestie.

**murphs jewels** · 02/10/2009, 1:48 PM

Originally Posted by FahyForever

Would a reserve league not create it's own problems too? There are currently 14 reserve teams in the league (including the only c team, Westport. Wherever Hardcore got 3 I don't know), and establishing a 13-14 team league would prove problematic in terms of the season's length, especially considering they think a ten-team league is too much.

What's the major malfunction here? Why fix what's not broken? The rules should be clear; two teams up and two down as long as they are not going into a division where the club have another team. That's only fair. The third team from bottom playing the third from top is just ****ing around, especially if the 'third team from top' is seventh in the league. If you don't finish in the top two then forget about promotion.. I know that that would mean neither Kilmore or Fahy would have gone up last time, but i think that's the way it should have been done personally.

That's just my opinion, what do other people think? I know I'm repeating myself, but the Mayo league waiting to see what happens and then deciding is a total and utter disgrace and shows blatant disrespect for the clubs involved. If Bangor and Swinford finished 1-2 in the Premier and say, Celtic were to finish second from bottom in the Super do you really think they would send them down now???? Not likely.

Not broken?? the SL and premier are in total chaos the last number of years and last year it reached rock bottom. No where in the world does this crap go on where 6 & 7th placed teams stand a chance of playing top flight at their particular level.

12 "B" teams participated this year, and the word from several lower divisions is that there could be up to 4 withdrawls for next season. None of the B teams will ever play in the SL and that is a fact and therefore they are hampering other sides from ever getting to the top flight. Could you imagine a senario where Arsenal reserves played in the Championship along with liverpool Chelsea and Man utd???? how would any other teams be even considered for the top flight.

Partry are a decent side who would be in the mix if there was a proper structure and Bangor Hibs had a crack at it also but it is very plain to see that "B" teams in the Premier are only holding up progress and until they are entered into their own league will this mess be sorted.

Then we could look at having the SL reduced to 8 teams and and make it more interesting for all proper football clubs not reserve teams. We have listened about B sides as feeder sides for the A squad but this is still the case in a reserve league. What is the ambittion of a B player??? surley it cannot be to win the premier league and thats all. It would also resolve the whole A player playing B. It wouldnt effect results for the genuine Clubs if they were doing it against each other and therefore eliminate that factor from our league.

**FahyForever** · 02/10/2009, 3:18 PM

Originally Posted by Bestie

Your comments are reasonable, and I do not wish to be standing up for the Mayo League but I think you have missed something at the meetings or discussions that took place over the past 12 months. Maybe you did not attend the meetings, and maybe the information given out has not been passed on to you correctly. You are certainly missing out on what the clubs are are saying to suggest that people are are waiting to see what happens.

That's fair enough Bestie, and I readily admit I havn't been to any meetings this year and so may have missed out on whats been happening in them. Why though, does nobody still have any idea of what's going on?? Within the clubs or on here? You yourself suggest the information is out there but you still don't go as far as divulging it yourself. I would be more than happy for you to clear this whole mess up with solid facts and then deride us for talking when we should be listening. I just have a feeling it's not that simple...

**Footy Mad** · 02/10/2009, 3:40 PM

As far as I can see the Mayo League have confirmed that this season it will be two up and two down if two Non B-Teams finish in top 2 positions in the Premier Division and if its 1 Non B team and 1 B Team in the top 2 of the Premier Division it will be one up and one down which looks the likely outcome at this present time.

**Cloggs** · 02/10/2009, 9:21 PM

Originally Posted by murphs jewels

Not broken?? the SL and premier are in total chaos the last number of years and last year it reached rock bottom. No where in the world does this crap go on where 6 & 7th placed teams stand a chance of playing top flight at their particular level.

12 "B" teams participated this year, and the word from several lower divisions is that there could be up to 4 withdrawls for next season. None of the B teams will ever play in the SL and that is a fact and therefore they are hampering other sides from ever getting to the top flight. Could you imagine a senario where Arsenal reserves played in the Championship along with liverpool Chelsea and Man utd???? how would any other teams be even considered for the top flight.

Partry are a decent side who would be in the mix if there was a proper structure and Bangor Hibs had a crack at it also but it is very plain to see that "B" teams in the Premier are only holding up progress and until they are entered into their own league will this mess be sorted.

Then we could look at having the SL reduced to 8 teams and and make it more interesting for all proper football clubs not reserve teams. We have listened about B sides as feeder sides for the A squad but this is still the case in a reserve league. What is the ambittion of a B player??? surley it cannot be to win the premier league and thats all. It would also resolve the whole A player playing B. It wouldnt effect results for the genuine Clubs if they were doing it against each other and therefore eliminate that factor from our league.

have to say that the above statement is a complete paradox in my opinion.you say that the b teams are hampering all the other teams from getting promoted.if these teams are indeed good enough to be playing in the top flight how are they supposed to be able to cope against the likes of westports first team if they can't even beat the second string outfit?!and then try and survive in an 8 team super league?

**murphs jewels** · 03/10/2009, 9:25 AM

Originally Posted by Cloggs

have to say that the above statement is a complete paradox in my opinion.you say that the b teams are hampering all the other teams from getting promoted.if these teams are indeed good enough to be playing in the top flight how are they supposed to be able to cope against the likes of westports first team if they can't even beat the second string outfit?!and then try and survive in an 8 team super league?

You are cementing my argument Cloggs, Kilmore should never have been promoted and the SL should be reduced to 8 teams so the better teams in mayo play in the top flight and stop this shambolic farce of promoting teams that could have been relegated. Plus you asked about not beating Westports 2nd string?? from reading the Premier thread it would appear that several 1st team players have been lining out for the B side. A reserve league would finish with all this rubbish once and for all.

We need proper structure in Mayo and all promotion/relegation issues clear and transparent right from the start. As it stands 1 up 1 down or possibly 2 but nothing pointed out clearly. We are dealing with what if's and maybe's every season. What If celtic A were in the bottom 2 of the SL, What if a B side is second in the premier, Maybe 1 team promoted and 1 relegated. These should be simple answers without the pathetic senario we have year in year out in the Mayo League, and then meaningless arguments on fourms like this would be a thing of the past. A reserve league is the only way forward and an 8 team Super League with every other division as it is with a 10 team structure. Then its simple to manage with promotion/relegation as it is in every league in the World. I would like to put this motion to a Vote and see what all other Mayo League posters on this site feel.

**FahyForever** · 03/10/2009, 2:14 PM

Originally Posted by murphs jewels

You are cementing my argument Cloggs, Kilmore should never have been promoted and the SL should be reduced to 8 teams so the better teams in mayo play in the top flight and stop this shambolic farce of promoting teams that could have been relegated. Plus you asked about not beating Westports 2nd string?? from reading the Premier thread it would appear that several 1st team players have been lining out for the B side. A reserve league would finish with all this rubbish once and for all.

We need proper structure in Mayo and all promotion/relegation issues clear and transparent right from the start. As it stands 1 up 1 down or possibly 2 but nothing pointed out clearly. We are dealing with what if's and maybe's every season. What If celtic A were in the bottom 2 of the SL, What if a B side is second in the premier, Maybe 1 team promoted and 1 relegated. These should be simple answers without the pathetic senario we have year in year out in the Mayo League, and then meaningless arguments on fourms like this would be a thing of the past. A reserve league is the only way forward and an 8 team Super League with every other division as it is with a 10 team structure. Then its simple to manage with promotion/relegation as it is in every league in the World. I would like to put this motion to a Vote and see what all other Mayo League posters on this site feel.

Ok, I vote No. I have yet to hear one single valid argument for the reduction of the Super League to a eight-team format. Why not make it five teams? Why not just two? It's nonsense...

**sprah1** · 03/10/2009, 3:48 PM

Originally Posted by murphs jewels

You are cementing my argument Cloggs, Kilmore should never have been promoted and the SL should be reduced to 8 teams so the better teams in mayo play in the top flight and stop this shambolic farce of promoting teams that could have been relegated. Plus you asked about not beating Westports 2nd string?? from reading the Premier thread it would appear that several 1st team players have been lining out for the B side. A reserve league would finish with all this rubbish once and for all.

We need proper structure in Mayo and all promotion/relegation issues clear and transparent right from the start. As it stands 1 up 1 down or possibly 2 but nothing pointed out clearly. We are dealing with what if's and maybe's every season. What If celtic A were in the bottom 2 of the SL, What if a B side is second in the premier, Maybe 1 team promoted and 1 relegated. These should be simple answers without the pathetic senario we have year in year out in the Mayo League, and then meaningless arguments on fourms like this would be a thing of the past. A reserve league is the only way forward and an 8 team Super League with every other division as it is with a 10 team structure. Then its simple to manage with promotion/relegation as it is in every league in the World. I would like to put this motion to a Vote and see what all other Mayo League posters on this site feel.

Maybe you mean several B team players have been playing for the 1st team?