Quotemoneys good! someone remind this man there is a recession happeningOriginally Posted by OneRedArmy
FWIW I wish we didn't have to play in the Setanta. It's hardly a wonderful reward...
moneys good! someone remind this man there is a recession happening
Old Chinese proverb say "Ignore man who support 5 teams, he talk through back passage".moneys good! someone remind this man there is a recession happening
Bloody disgrace if they are allowed to continue in the Setanta Cup, the FAI really haven't covered themselves in glory once again.
P.S. Derry are bombarding our young promising players with phone calls and offers of much bigger money than they are on at Harps. We purely can not compete with their wage offers and it makes me sick to my stomach.
Kenny wouldn't have even looked twice at these players at the start of last season.
Again the clubs that try to pay off their debts suffer
Tapping up? Not an auspicious start to this, "we won't make the same mistakes as the last lot" club, is it?Bloody disgrace if they are allowed to continue in the Setanta Cup, the FAI really haven't covered themselves in glory once again.
P.S. Derry are bombarding our young promising players with phone calls and offers of much bigger money than they are on at Harps. We purely can not compete with their wage offers and it makes me sick to my stomach.
Kenny wouldn't have even looked twice at these players at the start of last season.
Again the clubs that try to pay off their debts suffer
A home game to come against Linfield certainly represents a reward since you'll probably pack out the place.
Getting out of the vast majority of your debts (all except the ones owed to football clubs and maybe the season tickets it would seem) in return for relegation represents a deal that the vast majority of clubs would kill for, so it does seem that DCFC's actions are being rewarded rather than sanctioned. One wonders how the FAI can take a strong line with CCFC after that.
Mr P- don't think it would count as tapping up in terms of the rules in this case as the players would only have been on amateur contracts.
#NeverStopNotGivingUp
I'll say it again, rewarded for not investing in infrastructure!
why so sir? the town comes first is it a crime to take an intrest in other leagues for me following a few teams makes football more intresting..,
Dont tell me the new derry wouldnt mind a few extra pound for their troubles?
The point is that most people (including Derry fans?) are too sure if "they" are the same Derry as now. tiktok certainly doesn't think so.
Really?!
So the vast majority of clubs (i.e. their directors, as thats what we are talking about here) would prefer to
1) go through a liquidation process
2) be disbarred from being a registered director of all their business interests, possibly for life
3) have personal guarantees be taken up and pursued individually by banks, revenue and other creditors
all so a new club they can have no legal involvement in can start again in what could well be the lowest division next season.
Get a grip ffs. Internet-forum-paranoid-delusional-conspiracy-theory-nonsense.
There's a lot more to a club than just its directors. And from a club point of view what I said was entirely accurate. Also I think a lot more people than just the directors knew exactly what was going on. Certainly this wasn't intended, but DCFC seem to be more than landing on their feet with the former board (albeit deservedly) being the patsys.
And have points 2 and 3 that you mentioned actually happened? And it's already been clarified that the A championship would continue. Now why do you get to leapfrog over it?
In any case, isn't one of the key aspects of licensing that it's meant to prevent clubs from walking away from their debt, reforming and continuing on their merry way? If you're the same club in Setanta cup terms why aren't you the same club that went into administration and hence get a points deduction?
I'm not blaming the people involved with the new DCFC for the way things seem to be panning out, obviously they'll take whatever they can get, but the FAI seem to be making a horrendous balls of this and sending a terrible message.
Last edited by Mr A; 07/12/2009 at 11:32 AM.
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I think you should check the competition regulations. You will find that there are FAI attached compliances required for entry.
From a legal perspective there really isn't.
Again, from a company law perspective and a licensing perspective thats irrelevant. Morally, I tend to agree, although I'd disagree that "a lot more people" knew. At the Trust meeting last night the new Board articulated the difficulty they are having starting from scratch as they still don't know with any great detail what was going on last year with budgets, legal filings etc. Probably more relevant, the FAI in their infinite wisdom effectively absolved the players and manager of blame. I don't necessarily agree, but there appeared no appetite to pursue them from the FAI and thats not our fault as fans.
Not as yet, but the reality is that we are domiciled in a jurisdiction where company law and fitness and probity of directors and the body corporate is taken a lot more seriously than the in the Republic. Take something like the Rovers situation with the [allegedly] tippexed accounts. What were the consequences of this?
I don't think that necessarily means it's the same Derry though. Even One Red Army is not, or was not sure.
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If it is, then they can be allowed to play in the Setanta Cup, but they should be getting hit with a pretty hefty points deduction, shouldn't they?
If it's not, they shouldn't be allowed to play in the Setanta Cup, and they should be entering the A-league, shouldn't they?
Last edited by osarusan; 07/12/2009 at 11:50 AM.
ireland and especially the FAI donse'nt work like that
Maybe you know more than I do about the mechanics of the Setanta cup, but if (and it is 'if')the current Derry city are essentially a new club (legally at least), by what right do they take the place of a now-defunct club?
Does the new company mean that we are a new club? Especially if the trading name Derry City FC is transferred/sold to the new company?
Thats the bit I can't get my head around.
I have no idea. I don't think anybody on this site knows.
All fair points, but none of it particularly relevant to the FAI and their handling of the situation. They've repeatedly made the point that DCFC were playing according to a different set of rules to everyone else and this situation was unacceptable, yet they then proceed to leapfrog the new entity into the first division and seem to have no intention of applying the rules relating to clubs entering administration or examinership.
To me the new Derry City should either be in the A-league (because they're new) or else in D1 with a points deduction (because they're not really new and have been in administration).
#NeverStopNotGivingUp
Two questions:
1. Has the trading name 'Derry City FC' been transferred or sold to the new company yet?
2. If not, under what name have the 'new-Derry City' applied for a First Division licence?
Up the Harps!!
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