QuoteThen why have a meeting? The one sure-fire, 100%, absolutely banker, certain question that was going to be asked tonight...and that's the answer.Originally Posted by Longfordian
Ah that's ridiculous, he just didn't want to incriminate himself I reckon.
Upwards to the vanguard where the pressure is too high.
Then why have a meeting? The one sure-fire, 100%, absolutely banker, certain question that was going to be asked tonight...and that's the answer.
But surely he knew when calling the meeting that that's the main question ffs. Surely he could have thought of something better.
I really don't know what he was thinking but it seems inconceivable that he as chairman wouldn't know if they were paying two different contracts or not surely he saw the accounts each year?. I agree that if that's the best he could do it does beg the question of why he bothered with the meeting?. Was there anything constructive to come out of it?
Upwards to the vanguard where the pressure is too high.
Another view:
(Nike Air Jesus)My interpretation is that the board think we can win the contract fight. On that basis we will be playing First Division football with a local, youthful squad on a vastly reduced expenditure. This will be as our current Wellvan incarnation and involve restructuring the club debt.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/foot...sh/8351121.stm
Last edited by thischarmingman; 09/11/2009 at 10:43 PM.
(harridawg)Yes, Pat's original answer was "erm..I don't know", but he went on
for a while after.
My take on that answer was that his definition of a dual contract was different to theirs, and certainly not underhanded or mischievous.
He explained that the player was signed in the off season,
he was also the first player that Pat signed himself.
Accordingly, he put together an agreement on DCFC on letter-headed paper, and thought that was that. This was Jan 2008.
It was only when the FAI rang him to ask about it that he was aware
that a player has to sign the Standard Form Players Contract,
which nullifies all previous contracts (in accordance with
term's 27 and 28). This was signed 12 days later, Feb 2008. This is the gist of the problem.
If they had an issue with this, why are we only hearing about it now?
Granted, Pat may have ****ed up originally, but one thing that came out tonight was that he has put his life savings into this club,
somewhere in the region of 300k, and yes, he has made mistakes.
But we don't deserve to be thrown out of the league for the
contracts issue. Financially, maybe, but again tonight they laid out what they were doing, even up as far as last week to address our financial problems, in some sort of 3-5 year plan.
I actually feel sorry for the man, he was visibly upset at the beginning. When some of us throw our life savings into the club,
maybe then we can criticize them.
Other points- Pat doesn't want us in the Irish league, and is 100% sure we will have senior football in some guide next year.
Last edited by thischarmingman; 09/11/2009 at 10:55 PM.
The FAI couldnt even produce the full copy of the contract (of the player in question) on demand during Saturdays meeting. Nor would they provide detail of the accusations ????? WTF !Apparently McDaid was asked straight out if there were dual contracts and he answered 'I don't know'
The big crowd tonight were more hostile towards the FAI than i expected. Delaney is damanding Derry players come clean by Thursday, why would he bother if he already had all the evidence !!
Go lí cúnna ifrinn do thóin bheagmhaitheasach
Further:
(harridawg)side from trying to run the club like a business, Pat also acknowledged in similar words, trying to run the club to please everyone.
Meaning, paying bigger wages than would be ideal, and trying to keep up with other clubs. Again, mistakes which have cost us dearly.
A fair point he made, when the team are winning the team and the manger are superstars, when they are not, it's the boards fault.
The FAI refused to give them an advance on their 4th place money the day before the Dundalk game. Pat acknowledged the players playing without wages, and pointed out the players commitments with kids and mortgages. This seemed to genuinely bother him.
Bear in mind, as he pointed out, when you read in the papers and news that DCFC did this, or DCFC did that, what they are really doing is pointing the finger at Pat himself and the 3 other board members.
And I've just remembered, that 300k figure RTE are bandying about
thats a hypothetical, what Delaney has done is said that
"if this arrangement with Quigley is with 19 other players, it would be 300k"
no definitives, no evidence, just allegations.
Even Pat confirmed that both the letterhead agreement,
and the standard form contract were identical.
He was firm about that.
As others have long noted, regardless of the contract situation, the debt looks unpayable.
Last edited by thischarmingman; 09/11/2009 at 11:21 PM.
There seems to be wildly different views as to what's gone on. I can't believe that the FAI would throw Derry out and be saying what they're saying if they weren't sure they had enough evidence. They're not that stupid and they do seem prepared to bring whatever they have into court. Time will tell I guess.
Upwards to the vanguard where the pressure is too high.
Well the players are registered with the FAI so they hold their registration. Transfers between LOI clubs have to be sanctioned by the FAI and transfers to clubs in different football associations require the FAI to release the registration.
Whatever about the tax implications for the players as individuals, surely it would be restrain of trade to withhold their registrations?
Or are their sanctions within the SPC for this?
A good point was made the meeting tonight.
Why weren't we brought up before the disciplinary committee instead of being brought before the FAI Board?
This is worth posting
-This mythical €337k figure is made up. It is an extrapolation.
-They took the difference in the two contracts for DQ, and applied the same % difference to every player. They then took the inflated figures, totalled them and multiplied it for a year.
Ah, the joys of super slo mo on Sky +. As stated, the actions of the FAI today in their free briefing on media and antics such as that detailed above don't paint them in a great light.
I haven't seen the interview with Delaney, but based on the quotes I've read, it seemed obvious the 337k was an extrapolation. I don't think he tried to claim otherwise. He said something like "if I was to tot this up over 20 players it would be 337K" according to the reports I read. Context is everything too, so without seeing the interview in full it's difficult to know what he actually said.
In any case, that's not really important. It doesn't matter whether it's 50k or 350k, the main question is, is it true that a large number of players had dual contracts? If so, it really doesn't matter what the total sum of money involved was, as it would show that there was systematic and premeditated deception involved on the part of DCFC, in which case they haven't a leg to stand on.
If, however, McDaid's claim that it only applied to 1 player, and there is some sort of explanation for that, then clearly it's a completely different matter.
It's still very hard to imagine why Delaney would just make this stuff up though. Is McDaid trying to claim that Delaney and/or the FAI as a whole just decided to kill DCFC for no reason? Even though this brings the viability of the whole league into further question? Sure, the FAI are muppets, but still, it just doesn't make sense.
I reckon Cregganite would get along well with the chap who wrote this letter to the Irish Times!
http://www.irishtimes.com/letters/in...#1224258476032
You reckon?
A patriot is someone who knows how to hate his country properly.
There seems to be a difference of opinion between the two of them about who was welcome at the Brandywell. Was it just Southerners, or Southerners and Europeans?
The handling of this situation by the FAI is bemusing, they say that Derry, requested a meeting with them and then confessed to the use of dual contracts, Derry's reward for coming clean (Pat Mc Daid denied any dual contract confession bar the one case) was to be not demoted or lose points but expulsion. They now want the Derry Players past and present to come forward and place their careers at the mercy of the FAI punishment. As was said in MNS tonight even in cases of match fixing in Italy clubs were relegated not forced out of the league. It is also curious that Derry were not shown documents that were today made freely available to journalists. Is that fair or professional ?
One way or another I hope the full truth comes out because as a fan I abhor cheating no matter who it comes from and if it is Derry then they should come clean take their oil . Derry have serious financial issues to concentrate on.
Here comes the fudge.
Also Derry fans, remember we we'd have our meetings with Ollie and he'd tell us everything would be ok and the vast majority of Shels fans would believe him, then come on here and say so and you lot would laugh and say how naive they were and not to be taken in by his sob story? Well....
They always cheat, they always lie
**** Delaney and the FAI
Didn't see Delaney's perfomance on six one, and would trust him about as far as i could throw him. However, the spin from Derry this morning on the radio is that the FAI don't have the evidence rather than it didn't happen.
I guess they (Derry) are at the "all in" stage - if they were operating dual contracts, it'll only take one other player to crack and they're screwed, but with added damage to goodwill for the club.
Or maybe it's the board that are going "all in" - a handy scapegoat in an FAI conspiracy to take focus off the rest of the financial side...
If you attack me with stupidity, I'll be forced to defend myself with sarcasm.
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