QuoteLove is all they need.
All they need is love.Originally Posted by osarusan
Love is all they need.
#NeverStopNotGivingUp
But that's pure conjecture.
You're assuming firstly that the LOI continues to see spending ad infinitum at an unsustainable level, and secondly that the Irish League at no future point falls susceptible to that same madness.
Firstly - we have consistently been one of the best supported clubs in the league since 1985. In a league where clubs spent within their means, we should be up there challenging for honours on a regular basis by dint of support alone. If we assume that the league won't continue with the current madness - and it would seem that there aren't any crazy spenders left to go bang once Bohs, Cork, Drogs and City face-up to their current circumstances* - then why would the IL be any easier for us to compete than a more rational LOI ??
Secondly - what's to stop Glentoran starting an arms race in the IL ? What's to stop Portadown being taken over by a sugar daddy all starry-eyed about Europe ? More conjecture to challeneg your conjecture.
So the simplest response to all of this is thus : we are not going back to the Irish League - regardless of what moot, conjecture-laden, pigs might fly arguements people can dream up to support it.
*Ignoring the spectre of Fingal for the moment, as they may be slow learners.
Last edited by dcfcsteve; 29/10/2009 at 10:13 PM.
And about £150k
is it not the case that derry like other premier clubs have received a large amount of potential prize money and considering that they might have outstanding financial issues with the fai like registation fees or referees fees there might be no prize money left for them to get.
I wish i did not know then what I dont know now
No. My understanding is that prize money for league finishes isn't doled out until the wage cap issue, and any points deductions, has been dealt with.
European participation money has been forward lent to some clubs.
Just what this thread needs - more conjecture....
Unless you're Cork City.
Apparently so.
It wouldn't be.
Rather, it could be a solution to DCFC's next problem. That is, if they cannot resolve their immediate financial problem and go bust, then it may be that they will not qualify for a LOI Licence next season.
And if that left the 'A' League as their only option, it might be thought preferable to apply to re-join the IL instead.
Of course there are lots of "ifs" involved there, plus it is well known that given a free choice, DCFC would much prefer to stay within the LOI.
But assuming short-termism is one of the problems which has got DCFC into their present mess, I suspect that forward thinking, if only on a contingency basis, will be needed to get them out.
And where are DCFC going to get the money for a new horse, when they haven't even paid their last vet's bill?
Perhaps they might be better advised to give the old horse a breather, nurse it back to some sort of health at home in the stables and then enter it in a more modest standard of racing, rather than trying to take on the Grand National fences at Aintree each year...
(Btw, can someone call a Linguist? There's a metaphor here that has been stretched to breaking point and should be put out of its misery...)
Where in the IL ladder would a new club join?
Is there any really difference between starting anew in the A League or in the IFA Championship?
That is some peoples argument, but they are wrong (imo). As I see it, DCFC may be forced to consider the IL as being more financially viable than the 'A' League.
Agree that if DCFC and the FAI can possibly arrange it, then DCFC will be in the LOI next season.
But if I were one of their fans, I would be very concerned that they might not be able to "swing it".
Stories of unpaid wages and transfer fees etc are bad enough, but as Maribor Kev points out, they haven't even filed their Company A/C's for 2008. In which case, it is very possible (likely?) that they're behind with the Inland Revenue.
And as ORA correctly states, the IR is taking an increasingly hard line with football clubs, including even small ones like Chester City and Accrington Stanley, so DCFC cannot really expect sympathy from that quarter.
You are seriously living in cloud cuckoo land ! Although the situation is serious and creates alot of debat etc on football forums you will have something different to talk about next week. The mess will be resolved in some form or another, and its not me with my head in the sand, i know 2 Directors personally and have every faith in them in regards to our strategy over the next month or two. The fact is whether or not some IL fans would want us back or whether some LOI clubs/fans would like to see the back of us (cant imagine too many) we will remain part of the domestic league in the South. For the FAI there is more benefits of us remaining in the league than leaving it.
For 90%+ of Derry fans the IL would be a bad dream/nightmare and would actually result in the vast majority giving up their support of the club. Personally i would rather we ceased to exist completely than play in that league - and before you say it, not just because of the sectarian nature of your league. But in hindsight, do i want to listen to a bunch of muppets sing GSTQ or burn my national flag every week - feck that ! Had enough of that last month.
Go lí cúnna ifrinn do thóin bheagmhaitheasach
I personally would not like to see Derry return to the IL (ffs like) but agree that the future outlook for the club is bleak.
How do you make that out? You do realise that the A Championship is regionalised so the difference in transport costs would be minimal. Then again you'd have to factor in the increase in "other costs" that a return to the IL would entail ......
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I suspect that the LOI will now retreat from previously unsustainable spending levels, if nothing else through complete lack of choice.
The question is whether DCFC will still be around to participate in this new dispensation.
What was that you were saying about "conjecture" at the start of your post?
Where is your evidence that the IL will fall prey to this, especially with their having seen what unsustainable spending by their Southern neighbours has done?
Quite honestly, after years of certain LOI fans looking down on the IL for being unambitious and "small town" etc, it's a bit rich for someone now to suggest that they're suddenly going to start "chasing the dream" - and in the middle of a recession at that!
Leaving aside the possibility of DCFC nor being allowed to compete in the LOI next season (or even being around?), it stands to reason that if the finances were sorted out so that both Leagues were properly run, on a p-t basis, then DCFC could expect to be more genuinely competitive in the IL than the LOI.Firstly - we have consistently been one of the best supported clubs in the league since 1985. In a league where clubs spent within their means, we should be up there challenging for honours on a regular basis by dint of support alone. If we assume that the league won't continue with the current madness - and it would seem that there aren't any crazy spenders left to go bang once Bohs, Cork, Drogs and City face-up to their current circumstances* - then why would the IL be any easier for us to compete than a more rational LOI ??
After all, haven't you been telling us for years that the standard of football in the LOI is so much higher than the IL?
Dear oh dear. You don't know much about the Glens, do you? The fact is that due to previous incompetence by the Board etc (inc trying to compete with the IFA-subsidised Linfield), the club is £600k in debt. However, this is secured against the Oval, which they own and which despite being decrepit as a football ground, is still potentially very valuable for development purposes.
Moreover, unlike eg Bohs or Pats, the Glens have been just about managing that debt for some years, chiefly by refusing to get drawn into an "arms race". (Keith Gillespie was only signed, for example, on condition that a sponsor would cover his wages. Plus they desist from prioritising Europe, despite the sneers which follow heavy defeats etc). At the same time, they are the current IL Champions (and Setanta Runners-Up), so arguably they haven't suffered too much from their economising
Anyhow, whilst there is no money even to give the place a lick of paint, never mind "go nuclear", the Board at last looks to be living within its means and should not be forced to sell the Oval until it is ready to move to an alternative (Blanchflower Park has already been identified, though I'd say it's a long way off).
And it seems you know even less about the Ports...
In fact, they already are owned by a "Sugar Daddy" of sorts, Bobby Jameson (though that's not how many people might describe him!)
Anyhow, after years of spending on players and wages to try and keep up with the "Big Two", Jameson has cut back on that, deciding instead to rebuild Shamrock Park completely, with three brand new stands, plus other improvements (new floodlights, training facilities etc).
When they screwed up with their application for the new Irish Premier League, some people feared that this would banjax the whole scheme; however, the floodlights are installed, two new Stands have been completed and the third has been deferred. Assuming this last goes ahead, Shamrock Park will arguably be better than any LOI ground bar Tallaght and possibly Turners Cross (though at least it will have a team to play in it)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shamrock_Park
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium...shamrock.shtml
The only people who appear to imagine that pigs might fly are those people at the Brandywell who have spent years imagining that the laws of (economic) gravity somehow don't apply to them...
Your confidence and loyality is touching. But do you know what this 2 month strategy that you have every faith in consists of? Or is it that much maligned concept of "blind faith"?
That's quite ironic coming from you
If it came to it (and I agree it's a huge "if"), I suspect the IFA would try to find some way of accommodating them in the Premier, rather than the Championship.
You may have a point there.
However, I'd say the Irish League Championship is a good deal nearer the Irish Premier League than it is to the 'A' League, which I understand to be a mixture of LOI Reserve teams and what in Irish League terms would be called Intermediate clubs.
In any case, even if DCFC's crowds and sponsorship in the Championship were little more than in the 'A' League, at least their travelling expenses would be much lower. Plus they would only be one promotion away from the top division, not two.
Have I upset you in some way?That's quite ironic coming from you
Good luck to them on that front. Given there was a row over who'd take Bangor's place, I'd say there's be a row here too. I don't know if there's any precedent for jumping a team straight in at the top flight of any league. And there's also no reason to suppose there'd be an opening at Championship level.
On the A League, Derry would (if it came to it) be in a regionalised Northern section, which would help reduce travelling significantly. For example, Derry's A team group this year is Salthill (Galway), Drogheda, Harps, Castlebar (Mayo), Tullamore (Offaly), Dundalk, Sligo and Galway. The potential crowd against Harps would possibly make up for any increase in travel or reduction in number of games played and associated gate receipts.However, I'd say the Irish League Championship is a good deal nearer the Irish Premier League than it is to the 'A' League, which I understand to be a mixture of LOI Reserve teams and what in Irish League terms would be called Intermediate clubs.
I honestly wouldn't think there'd be much difference in standard between the A League and the Championship, although I've only been to one Championship game (and that involved Portadown). UCD won the A League last year and this year are going for the First Division title with about seven or eight of that league winning team. Mervue came third of eight in their A group last year and survived the First Division comfortably enough. The A League isn't that bad. In any event, I don't think the quality of the league would be relevant as either way, Derry wouldn't intend on staying there.
You may or may not be correct - I personally do not know. Then again, I've not been prescriptive in anything I've posted, merely (openly) speculative.
Your club, your opinion, your entitlement.
which is a great pity because there was some chance on the "Love".......
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