The Derry City thread - Derry sign first four players

[SwanVsDalton]

Surely Derry have gone are are to be replaced by a new Derry club based in Northern Ireland.

Surely this new Northern Ireland club will need special dispensation to join the LOI

My understanding is holding on to the current name, by purchasing from the liquidator, will be a massive help.

[belfastred]

My understanding is holding on to the current name, by purchasing from the liquidator, will be a massive help.

Even if they buy the name they will be a brand new club.

However I'll be surprised if anything does happen given the governing bodies in both jurisdictions.

[dcfcsteve]

But who is "we?"

Do I really need to spell this out ?

"We" is Derry City FC.

And before you try to get smart arse - "we" still exist, and the FAI can't remove our IFA membership.

[dcfcsteve]

The topic of debate is a prospective football club which will be based in NI, playing its home games in NI and which it seems likely will have to be a member of the IFA in NI.
Meanwhile, it hopes to play its League football in another jurisdiction, which situation is ordinarily not allowed, so that it seems it should be obliged to receive at least an acknowledgement by UEFA/the IFA that it may do so in succession to the former DCFC, if not a brand new authorisation all of its own.

EG - you're obsession continues unabatted, and is more than a little boring right now. Bang on about it all you like - DCFC won't be rejoining the Irish Legaue unless we have no other option. Whether or not that situation arises is moot, so without wanting to be rude I have no desire to have to wade through another 10 pages of drivel on what could, would, might, should happen if a very moot situation were to possibly, at some point, perhaps arise. In short - give it all a fcukin rest, will you ?

One issue that I will respond to is that quoted above. I know you're smart enough to get this point, but for some reason you seem unwilling to unable to do so.

Firstly - if the situation of clubs from one footballing jurisdiction playing in another is not normally allowed, then it is an event that is allowed to happen happen with alarming frequency ! There are up to 10 Welsh-based and Welsh-affiliated clubs playing in the Engliish system, one English-based/affiliated club playing in the Scottish system, one Scottish-based/registered team playing in the English structure until recently (Gretna), lots of English based and registerd clubs have played in Welsh competitions in recent years, and the likelihood of the 2 biggest Scottish clubs playing in England whilst based in Glasgow and affiliated to the SFA creeps gently closer year by year. And that's before we throw the likes of Leichtenstein clubs in Switzerland etc into the mix to prove that it's not just a UK pheonomenon.

Now no doubt you'll cry that all of the above have special reasons for why they should have been alowed to do so. And here's the rub - so does Derry City. Our special reasson is that we've played in that other jurisdiction for 25yrs very happily thank you. We like it there, everyone there likes us there, and no-one bar few covetous IL fans like yourselves seem to have a problem with the situation. If we weren't alowed to go back to the LOI, would Merthyr Tydfil have to go to the Welsh system next time they went bust ? Answer : No. Because you're talkign nonesense.

All of which brings us to the key point that I'm sooooooo bored of having to make on here. An EU test-case was established on the rights of football club's in one jurisdiction to play in anoather in 1994 when the Welsh FA lost a case against the Welsh exile clubs (those playing in Engalnd) in the English High Court. Since then, no association has dared to try to force a club that wants to play in a structure outside of their jurisdiction to not do so. Why - because they'd lose. Isn't it surprising how in amidst the frequent noise of the Old Firm joining the English system, you never once hear big talk from the SFA about how they'd stop it ? Well no - it's because they know they can't. So please stop bringing it up.

Boring.

[dcfcsteve]

the fans are in no position of power to make ANY decisions tbh. they could huff and puff but when it boils down to it, they haven't much say.
you are basing uefa's position on their opinion a quarter of a century ago. who knows what their position would be if any club going under the name derry city had to justify that their current situation required jurisdiction exemption? certainly none of us do. we would only be guessing.

Read my last post.

Do you share libidos with Ealing Green ?

[dcfcsteve]

But the more I think about it, the less impressed I am by what has been going on with the LOI and the more appreciative I am of the IL.

Damn straight !

It's a shame we can't have riot police called into our stadiums for matches, and medieval hand-to-hand battles between large numbers of armed fans in the middle of a football pitch at the end of our title deciding games.

Any. Remaining. Credibility. Gone.....

[-lamb-]

Read my last post.

Do you share libidos with Ealing Green ?

i did. interesting reading, but not sure just how relevant it is to derry city's position.
one difference i will mention is that all of those teams you mention (afaik) were all playing in another jurisdiction prior to uefa's foundation or else had no national league or fa of their own.
afaik many of those welsh teams were (not forgetting the fact wales didn't actually have a national league until the 90s, post-"derry city to loi" and at a time when uefa were starting to crack down on teams in other jurisdictions), as were the liechtenstein teams (plus no affiliated fa until the 90s), as were berwick rangers, as were gretna.

but that is not the case with derry city. they had a national league and are not a pre-uefa legacy quirk.

and this is a forum to discuss happenings, possibilities and opinions. people have every right to go on about it if they want. it's not anyone else's fault YOU don't want to hear about it tbh.

[Sam_Heggy]

Love the tag "Irish league stalkers", sums it up perfectly.

Admit it, ye (IL fans) love Derry, can't bear to be without them and want them back. Maybe ye can buy them some flowers and a box of chocolates but, it's been 30 years, ye have grown apart and let's be fair, it didn't work between ye then and it is doubtful it will now.

In all seriousness , would the IFA be so bitter as to prevent Derry continuing in the LOI? If they are, then it kind of shows that not much has changed in the north and that "catholic" clubs will still be treated as the "lesser" clubs.

[Krstic]

Why do Derry have to retain their membership of the IFA?

Do we?

C'mon Parker, I asked you this question yesterday and It's not like you NOT to have an answer.

[-lamb-]

If they are, then it kind of shows that not much has changed in the north and that "catholic" clubs will still be treated as the "lesser" clubs.

garbage.

Do we?

yes, but feel free to prove otherwise.

[Mr_Parker]

Because I haven't seen an agreement that states
1) Derry City would share Celtic's cost
2) what Celtics obligations were in respect of the squad they brought over.

Obviously I can't believe a thing that our former board said, so can you confirm that we are liable based on a written contract or was it a gentlemans agreement between Derry and Cliftonville?

Have you seen the same for the money owed to Dungannon and Linfield?

[Mr_Parker]

Do we?

C'mon Parker, I asked you this question yesterday and It's not like you NOT to have an answer.

Sorry missed it. What was the question?

[Krstic]

Sorry missed it. What was the question?

Are we still members of the IFA and do we have to continue to be so?
If we are, do we have a rep on any board?
I know Jack McCauley is our rep within the FAI.

[Schumi]

This has been sidetracked into a debate over whether a new Derry City can play in the LOI or not. That's a red herring as it's of no benefit to anyone for the Irish League to prevent them playing in the LOI. Some deal will be done to pay the debts to Dungannon and whoever else.

What's of more concern is how Derry can by-pass the A Championship and play in the first division next year while walking away from all their debts. That a new Derry team should be given first call on the First Division place ahead of Tralee, Castlebar, Cobh, etc. is disgraceful.

Bascially what I'm asking is this: Is the Derry City that will play in next season's First Division a brand spanking new club which is setting off in it's first season, or is it the old club with all it's history under new ownership?

Like Shamrock Rovers, it will be the best of both worlds.

Must be fun in the lower league?

It's not bad for a short holiday every few years when you get bored of playing the same teams all the time.

[-lamb-]

it's of no benefit to anyone for the Irish League to prevent them playing in the LOI.

depends if they played il football or be thran and close shop.
let's be honest here, derry city would probably be the 3rd biggest club at worst in the il and a worthwhile long term addition back to the ranks of clubs they really belong to in the first place.

[geysir]

Back in the real world, it is clear, as stated above, that the biggest issue is the IL creditors.

Whilst the IFA probably has good right to object on other grounds, politically, there is no reason to. The IL has been happy with Derry not being members and the FAI has been happy to have them. Therefore, realisitically, unless there is a reason for someone to rely on the law to object, then there is no reason to open what would be a huge political can of worms.

However, the 3 IL clubs being creditors is a very good reason to object (I'm assuming C'Ville have a legal agreement that we would pay a portion of Celtics cost, otherwise its two IL creditors). Some way has to be found to make good this debt, otherwise the IFA is almost duty bound to object to NewCo joining the FAI, on behalf of its out of pocket members.

Solve that, and the other problems solve themselves IMO.

Not that that will stop Ealing Green constructing and destructing numerous arguments to the contrary. All on his own.

Derry FC are a bona fide LOI club. The IFA have no special claim over Derry.
In the matter of the outstanding debt of Derry to IL clubs, the IFA have just the same claim for retribution as they would have over any other bankrupt LOI club that owed money to an IL club.

[Schumi]

depends if they played il football or be thran and close shop.
let's be honest here, derry city would probably be the 3rd biggest club at worst in the il and a worthwhile long term addition back to the ranks of clubs they really belong to in the first place.

If they don't want to play in the IL, as seems very clear from their fans' views here, there's no point in trying to force them. It'd only be looking for trouble.

[Mr_Parker]

Do I really need to spell this out ?

"We" is Derry City FC.

And before you try to get smart arse - "we" still exist, and the FAI can't remove our IFA membership.

No, but the IFA can.

[Mr_Parker]

Are we still members of the IFA and do we have to continue to be so?
If we are, do we have a rep on any board?
I know Jack McCauley is our rep within the FAI.

1. Yes and yes.
2. Not that I know of, but with over 800 members I would be surprised if every club had a rep on a committee.

[dcfcsteve]

depends if they played il football or be thran and close shop.
let's be honest here, derry city would probably be the 3rd biggest club at worst in the il and a worthwhile long term addition back to the ranks of clubs they really belong to in the first place.

Moderators : Is it possible to dole out virtual exclusion orders to keep these dirty old Irish League men at least 100 virtual metres away from anything to do with Derry 'maiden' city ?

They're starting to scare more than just the kids now with their salivating obsession.....