QuoteFarce!
It's a plot between John Delaney and the Dublin refs.
He was asked about Miller and he said he included him because he knows the system. I know the system as well. Can I get a game?
In all honesty I think it's because he (Trap) doesn't know the other alternatives like McCann or Fahey.Strange one
Forget about the performance or entertainment. It's only the result that matters.
Farce!
It's a plot between John Delaney and the Dublin refs.
I know Owls Fan it was a glib remark but to be fair. Jack Charlton picked players who knew the sytem first. Trap is of the view that IReland has limited players technically so he has devised a system that he thinks will work. He wants players who can fit that system and who will work hard. He believes it will not work if he chops and changes based on form etc. OF course this rule is not written in stone and there will be certain contradictions to this like St. Ledger coming in against Bulgaria etc. BUt to be fair, football management is not an exact science but Trap has done pretty well in his career so far and I do not think he wants to change the squad too much when he only has 3 days to work with them. Its an outlook that worked for Greece in Euro 2004. We are not Spain 2008
In Trap we trust
to an extent you are right about Charlton, Neil but he always qualified his selections by a) rarely picking below premiership level, and
b) picking players who were getting first team football
I hate the look of Trappatoni's Irish squad but its the lack of experimentation in the friendlies that really gets me.
I like high energy football. A little bit rock and roll. Many finishes instead of waiting for the perfect one.
I think this is a very very good quote.Originally Posted by SkStu
I just--I dunno. I just don't like this team as far as thinking they are getting better. I like Trap as a person, no disputing his smart and funny sayings and experience and this but....I just dont think he is getting the most out of the team as possible.
People on here seem to be very confident that Ireland will prevail in the 2 game playoff after finishing second......I am not so sure.
Has the team gotten better since Trap has been here? May be a good topic in and of itself Stu.........
No Somos muchos pero estamos locos.
Seriously??Did you not see the state we were in under the last manager?
Its really not that complicated!!!
Agree but you are saying just being competitive is OK?
I guess what I should have said, is, why the F are so many people content with draws all the time? Because a draw with Cyprus is not going to be good. Now, 8,000 people on here will give me the stats on a draw with Cyprus but I dont care.
I am more worried about beating Cyprus now than the day after Trap took over. And it shouldnt be that way.
For the slower readers: The day after Trap took over I was like, "Well Damn! At least we will never have to worry about Cyprus again?!!" Or why hire him?"
And Now I am MORE WORRIED.
Last edited by Crosby87; 23/08/2009 at 12:05 AM.
No Somos muchos pero estamos locos.
Although I think Trap is doing a good job, and I am happy to have him as our manager; I'm still baffled as to why players like McCann, Fahey, Ward, O’Dea and Garvan are continuously ignored for the senior panel, while the likes of Miller is still there. I know McCann has a bust up with Givens, perhaps that the reason why he is blackballed.
Always look on the bright side of life
His squad selections seem quite lazy if im honest. The exact same squad as the Australia match. Players who are performing well will soon get disheartened if they see players who are not geting games, or worse still have no club, getting in ahead of them. Then again Trap may be trying to create a good atmosphere in the camp and improve team bonding so therefors likes to pick the same squads
One mans lazy is another mans continuity although the Lazy IRA would have been a laughable terrorist organisation. Crosby just cause you feel something before and feel another way now, is not proof that we are getting worse. That is just your feelings. We are better than we were under Staunton, no doubt about that. We have had one result that was slightly not great and that was the draw at home to Bulgaria, but we have drawn at home to 2nd seed teams loads of tims before, under Charlton, Kerr and McCarthy. We a very good postion to finish second and possibly to finish first if results really go our way. We could not have asked for much more this time last year in my view. We have only ever topped a group once before and that was for the Qualifiers for Euro88. No with a squad that is a good bit worse that Charltons squads and some of Mc Carthys, we are in a great postion to finish 2nd.
In Trap we trust
We're always going to be trashed in friendly matches if the players know there is no pressure on their places and the manager will always pick the same squad. I suspect Trap, Tardelli and Brady genuinely dont know what players are available and Trap just tries to blindly justify selection when questioned.
I totally disagree with that. I think Trap knows full well who is avaialable and had made a judgement on quality, continuity, hard work, system and many other aspects. He will live and die by his results like any manager. At the moment his results are good if not spectacular but pretty good. Also George Burley came into teh Scotland job claming he was going to open them up with more attacking football, after the defensive Smith and McLeish eras, which got Scotland punchin above their weight and very close to qualifying. What happened, they are a disaster and as open as a 24 four brothel. They have lost their team spirit and are chopping and changin the squad based on form etc and its getting them no where.
In Trap we trust
Great friendly results mean nothing, 4 0 away in Denamrk and 3 0 home v Sweeden under Staunton were not transformed into the qualifiers, tbh as long as our trashings are kept to friendlies I don't cae....
Roll on Cyprus and 3 points
Fair Play died Nov 18th 2009, Stade Francais.
I would have been very vocal on that a couple of months ago, but then St Ledger and Best where given chances and I thought it was changing. Still don't think he's exhausting enough avenues.
However I'm starting to think now that even if a player is overlooked for a period, is it going to effect his effort when or if he eventually is called in?? I don't think so. Playing for your country? Playing even in spite of Trapp? You're still gonna bust a gut...
How about "B-; Could do better" for Trapp... There's no doubt what he's brought to the team, in terms of tactics and performance. But in fairness I still don't think he's exhausting enough avenues to ensure we've the strongest squad. I think continuity should extend as far a 80-90 percent of a given squad with the rest being dictated on form. I also think he used the Aus Friendly the way it should have been, however this squad should have inlcuded a couple of new faces for the SA game after Cyprus. Even if they don't make the pitch. We are severely lacking in some areas and not enough is being done to insulate ourselves.
yeah, but you can't just magic up a left back and a genuine quality CM just to complete the picture. Steven Reid is a free gift that can be added to the squad, Finnan too, but for all the complaints about Murphy, Fahey, McCann etc. they're all marginal decisions that aren't going to be decisive.
It's not Trapp's fault that we haven't got a proper left back for the first time since independence and S. Reid and Finnan are injured and that Stephen Ireland, who is increasingly looking like a class act, is a deluded knob end.
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Good point. If Trapp & co were so unaware of the fringe players recent caps like Folan, Best, Nolan, St. Ledger, Westwood, Lawrence and others wouldn't have had a look in.
At the margins I'll have a different view to the management (O'Dea, Garvan, A. Reid - more than a marginal decision in my view- Fahey, McCann, Delaney...) but the broad picture is the same. We've got some very good players, some good enough and some makeweights. That's what we have.
Kind of reminds me of all the energy on English radio before their WC squad was announced, about 95% of the debate spent on who should be the 23rd member of the squad.
Before our next game, it is infinitely more important that whatever afflicted the starting 11 performance against Australia be dealt with. There is no more room for such a performance against Cyprus.
I'm usually a vocal critic of our midfield but I honestly thought the biggest probalems affecting the performance in Thomond were Doyle's lack of match fitness and the rustiness / communication between the two CBs.
I thought the biggest problem was the lack of communication between the two full backs and the rest of the defence.
Over and over this scenario was repeated:
- Given in possession
- Full backs push up
- Given passes to centre half
- Centre half passes to other centre half
- Cahill pushes forward, blocking a pass to either centre midfield player
- Full backs too far forward for pass from centre half
- Centre half passes to other centre half
- Centre half passes to Given
- Given launches long ball in general direction of strikers
- Australian centre half (who is between 6 and 10 inches taller than striker) wins ball in the air
- Possession lost
Just telling Kilbane or O'Shea to hang back and give Dunne and St Ledger an out ball would have killed this sequence off completely. Kilbane in particular should have stayed back, as he could have released McGeady, who was giving the opposing full back kittens every time he got in possession.
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