Israel (Away) Sat 26th Mar 05

**petef** · 17/10/2004, 8:12 AM

Sounds like a disaster to me if theres nothing open on the Saturday effectively puts an end to your Friday night as well.

**Eldad** · 17/10/2004, 2:02 PM

Originally Posted by petef

Sounds like a disaster to me if theres nothing open on the Saturday effectively puts an end to your Friday night as well.

Many businesses of entertainment (including pubs & restrants) are open Friday nights.

To davros:
Airlines that fly to Israel from Europe are (airlines from W. Europe are bold, airlines which has that fly twice a day, or more, to Israel are underlined):

British Airways (from LHR),
Monarch (UK) (from London Gatwic),
KLM Royal Dutch Airways (from Amsterdam),
Brussles Airways (from Brussles),
Swiss International Airlines (from Zurich/Gevena),
Lufthansa (from FRA/Munich),
Austrain Airlines (from Vienna),
Air France (from Paris CDG),
Iberia Spanish Airlines ( from Madrid/ Barcelona),
Air Slovakia (from Bratislava),
CSA Czech Airlines ( from Prague),
Alitalia (from Rome/Milan),
Cyprus Airways (from Larnaca),
Finnair (once a week, from Helsinki),
JAT (Serbia&Montenego) (from Balgrade),
LOT Polish Airlines (from Warsaw),
Malev (Hungry) (from Budapest),
Olympic Airways (Greece) (from Athens),
Tarom (Romania) (from Bucharest),
Turkish Airlines (from Istanbul)
AeroSvit Ukrainian Airlines (from Kiev, DNEPROPETROVSK, Odessa & SIMFEROPOL)
Air Croatia (from Zagreb).

El-Al Israeli airlines (http://www.elal.co.il) fly at least twice a day to/from London Heathrow, and also to/from Stansted.
Arkia (http://www.arkia.co.il) operate charter flight to Dublin!

More information you can read in the official Ben-Gurion airport website: http://www.ben-gurion-airport.com

**Peadar** · 18/10/2004, 7:54 AM

Originally Posted by Eldad

El-Al Israeli airlines (http://www.elal.co.il) fly at least twice a day to/from London Heathrow, and also to/from Stansted.

Total adult price 1411.30 GBP (economy)
Nice one!

Do you get your own personal flight attendant in a private room?
Think I'll be sticking to Alitallia.

**Eldad** · 18/10/2004, 8:05 AM

Originally Posted by Peadar

Total adult price 1411.30 GBP (economy)
Nice one!

Do you get your own personal flight attendant in a private room?
Think I'll be sticking to Alitallia.

It can't be the offer!
Their website sometimes does mistakes... Ask the travel agency of them in their London office.

**zinedineontour** · 18/10/2004, 9:16 AM

Originally Posted by gspain

We had 4,000-5,000 in Basle - On 2nd thoughts 4,000 is optimistic all right to bring to Tel Aviv.

Eldad can you let us know when/where the U21 game is likely to be? If it is the Friday (assume it has to be) then will it kickoff befo0re sundown on the Sabbath.

Even the kickoff time for the Swiss U21 game and venue would be a help.

bit generous there only sold 1500 tickets for switzerland .. so something similar for israel I would say

**Peadar** · 18/10/2004, 9:28 AM

Originally Posted by zinedineontour

bit generous there only sold 1500 tickets for switzerland...

Think the number was closer to 3,000 because of the number of tickets bought from sources other than FAIreland.

**Paulie** · 18/10/2004, 9:41 AM

I don't suppose any of ye know what time Israel normally kick off their home games at. A mate of mine confirmed that the date of his wedding is the same day as the match. Please don't tell me that it's an afternoon KO.

**Beavis** · 18/10/2004, 10:06 AM

Originally Posted by Paulie

I don't suppose any of ye know what time Israel normally kick off their home games at. A mate of mine confirmed that the date of his wedding is the same day as the match. Please don't tell me that it's an afternoon KO.

Had that with my cousin on the day of the home Iran game

,went anyway

Didn't miss the actually ceremony(in the morning) so it was no biggie...

**Paulie** · 18/10/2004, 10:40 AM

I wasn't planning on going to this one anyway. I was just going to plant myself in front of a telly in a pub. Presuming that it's an evening kick off I will still be able to do that. If however it's an afternoon kick off and I end up missing all or some of the match my mate will be getting a right kick up the arse.

**Eldad** · 18/10/2004, 11:01 AM

Originally Posted by Paulie

I don't suppose any of ye know what time Israel normally kick off their home games at. A mate of mine confirmed that the date of his wedding is the same day as the match. Please don't tell me that it's an afternoon KO.

The match will not be started during Shabbat... I guess the match will be started at about 8:00pm (6:00pm Dublin time), anyway not before 7:00pm.

**gspain** · 18/10/2004, 11:02 AM

Originally Posted by zinedineontour

bit generous there only sold 1500 tickets for switzerland .. so something similar for israel I would say

The F.A.I. sold 3,000 tickets for Switzerland in Basle and had 4,000 applicants. They subsequently got some extra tickets not sure how many.

No doubt there were duplicate applicants after last time but definitely 4,000+ Irish fans there.

Israel is a lot more expensive to get to and given the current political situation not that attractive however I still reckon we'll bring 1500+.

**Paulie** · 18/10/2004, 11:10 AM

Originally Posted by Eldad

The match will not be started during Shabbat... I guess the match will be started at about 8:00pm (6:00pm Dublin time), anyway not before 7:00pm.

Cheers for that. I reckon I should get to see it so. I had thought that there was only a 1 hour time difference between us.

**Eldad** · 18/10/2004, 12:03 PM

Originally Posted by Paulie

Cheers for that. I reckon I should get to see it so. I had thought that there was only a 1 hour time difference between us.

2 hours difference, CET +1, like in Turkey & Cyprus.

**Eldad** · 21/10/2004, 9:00 AM

Today I read an article in an Israeli website, YNET, that is saying that the Israeli football asscociation axpect to 20,000 Irish fans in Tel-Aviv!
They check the possibily to keep this amount of tickets for Irish fans & work with travel agencies to keep room asspecially for Irish fans!
I would say that if you plan to organize everything by yourself, it's better if you will do it quickly... Because rooms fares will be grown up.

**Eldad** · 21/10/2004, 10:42 AM

Davros, I think 2000 max, like you.
But I can tell to you that tel-Aviv is very safe, I live in TA and it's not like what you watch on TV or listen to a rodio.

The point of the Iran visa souldn't be a problem, but for any case I will discuss with the Israeli ministry of foreign affairs. I will update you when I have news from them.

**lopez** · 21/10/2004, 11:42 AM

Originally Posted by Eldad

Davros, I think 2000 max, like you.
But I can tell to you that tel-Aviv is very safe, I live in TA and it's not like what you watch on TV or listen to a rodio.

The point of the Iran visa souldn't be a problem, but for any case I will discuss with the Israeli ministry of foreign affairs. I will update you when I have news from them.

No doubt - a la belle madonna - TA is safer than NY, or for the matter Paris (bombs on trains less than ten years ago and theives rampant). The perception is different. Also, other factors come into it. Not only has the country a record of having to switch games suddenly due to security concerns, 'wars' nearby etc, but Israel is fast developing a pariah status. I know of a few fans that are refusing to travel to this game purely for political reasons in much the same vein as they wouldn't travel to South Africa in the eighties. However in normal times and with a 'normal' society, I'd still think 2-3K travelling would be the norm. Don't be fooled by Paris: That was different. For the majority of people in Paris, Tel Aviv just hasn't got enough rip-off Oirish bars for them to travel - not that it has too many buses being turned into convertables.

**gspain** · 21/10/2004, 12:35 PM

Definitely - Paris was nearby, cheap and convenient to get to. Israel is a long way away and expensive. Furthermore it was France - recent world and european champswith household names. I know quite a few people who went to Paris that don't go to home games

Tel Aviv is probably a lot safer than Dublin too btw and Paris was bombed when we were there.

BTW I checked with the Israeli embassy her ein Dublin and they said no rpoblem re the Iranian visa and stamp. No harm in letting them know in advance though that we did play in Iran and no doubt the 400-500 that travelled will be in Tel Aviv and one fan who also did North Korea in 2002 during the World Cup. He'll have some explaining to do.

There is no danger at all of Irish fans bombing a bar in Tel Aviv - unless of course it was to run out of beer.

**Eldad** · 21/10/2004, 8:53 PM

Originally Posted by gspain

BTW I checked with the Israeli embassy her ein Dublin and they said no rpoblem re the Iranian visa and stamp. No harm in letting them know in advance though that we did play in Iran and no doubt the 400-500 that travelled will be in Tel Aviv and one fan who also did North Korea in 2002 during the World Cup. He'll have some explaining to do.

As I've written, there's no problem to get Israel with Iranian stamps on your passport, but the border police in Ben-Gurion airport don't know anything about our game in Teheran... and it is realy not nice to be investigated by the Israeli police about these kind of questions!
I will make some phone calls to the Israeli ministry of foreign affairs about a month before the game, and I will ask the Irish embassy here to do it also. I'll go to them tomorrow (it is 2 minutes walking from my home).

**Eldad** · 22/10/2004, 9:22 AM

My dad got an e-mail message from David, a person who responsible about the security section of the Israel embassy in Dublin; He said that Israel has not any problem with that, but if you decide to fly with an Israeli airline (El-Al, Arkia or Isra-air) be ready for many questions about that... I will try to speak with the security department in El-Al about that.

However, today I spoke to the Irish embassy in Tel-aviv and they said they will think what to do & they'll call me back with an answer.

Something else, if you like to see a map of Tel-Aviv surf to this address: http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.c...x=285&down.y=4

Ramat-Gan stadium is up-centre of the map (right from Ganei Yehoshu'a [Yehoshu'a Gardens]).