Cork City denied a licence; club to be wound up; FORAS to enter First Division

[tiktok]

Dan Murray has been stripped of the captaincy too, Riddy has handed it to Georgie for the season. That won't go down well, nothing against George but Dan, as long as he is at thr club, has to be our captain.

[Riddickcule]

Scanning the sunday papers and they all say there's a second group that want to takeover the club.
We know one is Quintas, who's the other?

[Doomofman]

Scanning the sunday papers and they all say there's a second group that want to takeover the club.
We know one is Quintas, who's the other?

Foras? Or is that part of Quintas(hint: I've no idea who or what quintas is)

[weecountyman]

Scanning the sunday papers and they all say there's a second group that want to takeover the club.
We know one is Quintas, who's the other?

I think this is where smoke and mirrors come in. Tommy will mess this about quite seriously and get the season started, make it to June when Roddy does a runner and claims, at first, it's for "personal reasons" and then reveals he'd not been paid since December and was tired of the commute (which he'd been doing since April) to Cork. Naturally he'll have demanded a pay off to go quietly, and when this doesn't materialise he'll be on every media outlet that can handle being done for slander and slate Tom, who then sells the club to a mysterious Arab Sheikh, fronted by a Nigerian Doctor, and he only finds out he'd been diddled out of the ownership of the club when the cheque, from the Bank Of Ojibwe, turns out not to be real - the fact that it was edible didn't trigger any clue for Tom who was desperate to save Cork from floods, depression and unemployment by giving the city a club in European competition.

On an aside, did anyone hear Tom on radio last night, it was Today FM as far as I know but it was a repeat show from the morning - I think it was the weather guy off TV3. Anyway, he came across much better than on Roddy FM and RTE, in fact only the completely heartless, or CCFC fans, would have denied he was opening up. He said that if he'd to do it again he would, but completely differently and that LOI football was more cuthroat that politics, that CCFC cannot die and that while supporters were mostly wanting him out, he wanted them to understand that he wasn't making any money from the club and that they will have a new owner soon. On the topic of players and staff revolting, he said he understood them and accepted their grievances and hoped the new owners would rectify it. About Roddy he accepted Roddy had lied about his contract in Malta, that they "took him at face value" and even that he signed a statement to the contrary. It was he, Tom, who forced Roddy to retract his false allegations but he didn't do anything to the detriment of "that Maltese club" because he didn't know the real situation. He hoped the new owners would give Roddy a chance but that they'd also "sort out" the Maltese because of the way it all happened. He ended with "I did my best, my best for Cork and for the football club, it obviously wasn't enough and now I hope the new owners will build on what I've left."

He mentioned new owners more than 7 times (I stopped counting).

[tiktok]

Didn't hear the interview, but Tommy playing the victim is already old.
Everything that has become an issue for him is of his own creation, everything! He had offers for the club back when we were in the High Court last August, he instead chose to adopt a brass neck posture and only for the deep pockets of the person now trying to buy the club, Cork City would have been liquidated, that's Tom's legacy.

When we came out of Examinership, he had a chance to start again properly on a clean slate and he didn't take it. Instead he started down the same path that Arkaga had been on before him. That's why we're back in the High Court AGAIN today facing ANOTHER winding up order from the revenue. The crocodile tears now is all about being his post CCFC life, wishing to be viewed as a martyr who gave his best but fell short in some vague hope that the people of Cork will forget what he was really like.

We won't
.......and Billy Kelleher has lost a few votes because of his involvement with Meaney and Coughlan for the next time he stands for election too.

[weecountyman]

Didn't hear the interview, but Tommy playing the victim is already old.
Everything that has become an issue for him is of his own creation, everything! He had offers for the club back when we were in the High Court last August, he instead chose to adopt a brass neck posture and only for the deep pockets of the person now trying to buy the club, Cork City would have been liquidated, that's Tom's legacy.

When we came out of Examinership, he had a chance to start again properly on a clean slate and he didn't take it. Instead he started down the same path that Arkaga had been on before him. That's why we're back in the High Court AGAIN today facing ANOTHER winding up order from the revenue. The crocodile tears now is all about being his post CCFC life, wishing to be viewed as a martyr who gave his best but fell short in some vague hope that the people of Cork will forget what he was really like.

We won't
.......and Billy Kelleher has lost a few votes because of his involvement with Meaney and Coughlan for the next time he stands for election too.

I understand where you're coming from, truly, and I do feel he could be a bit of a confidence trickster, both himself and his compadres have been very poor in their dealings with everyone and especially last week when Roddy was given carte blanche to rail against the FAI and try to rally fans. I didn't him believe when he said they were dealing with everyone in good faith, the Roddy - Malta saga was proof of that, but I think he saw glory, went for it and only when he was up to his neck in it realised that he was in trouble. I also believe that arrogance has cost him dearly, he could have been a major hero by bringing FORAS on board, but he didn't bother. I do hope that there is a good resolution to all this yet I do see him being in charge until the summer, Cork struggling on in the Premier and looking for a new boss by the time the Europa League rolls around.

[Macy]

.......and Billy Kelleher has lost a few votes because of his involvement with Meaney and Coughlan for the next time he stands for election too.

I know TNB was Kellehers election agent (property developer and FF TD in joined at hip SHOCKER!), but has he been sticking his oar in recently?

[tiktok]

I do hope that there is a good resolution to all this yet I do see him being in charge until the summer, Cork struggling on in the Premier and looking for a new boss by the time the Europa League rolls around.

I agree, I think there's a huge danger that he's pretending to engage in a buyout process to buy time and ultimately retain control
1. With the revenue winding up order, pointing to the potential buy-out as evidence he can find the money
2. With the FAI licence, they'll come under pressure from many quarters to give a licence to CCIFL on the understanding that he'd sell

Rumours are going around that 2 of the 6 contracted players have left, if he could get rid of all 6 I think he'd be happy that he can finance the club through next season because he probably buys into Roddys blather about the players he's buying in being affordable.

I think there's a danger that this could all be another game of brinkmanship that TNB is playing. I think few things would give him as much pleasure as being in possession of a licence and still in possession of the Club in a month's time, with 'mouthy players' gone by mutual consent and Roddy and the new sustainable side heading up to Sligo to compete in the Setanta Cup. The revenue may even take a chance on getting their money back after the rescheduled date if he can show that the wage bill for 2010 is significantly less than 2009, while income could be unaffected.

Because it's almost impossible that the due diligence and change of owner could be completed by Fen 14th the next few weeks will be a Mexican Standoff involving FAI/Licencing Body on one side and Tom/Meaney on the other. if the FAI blink and give Tom a licence while he's still in a position to pull out of a deal, it's going to get incedibly messy, not to mention that the price of the club could suddenly sky-rocket for potential buyers.

[tiktok]

I think Liam Meaney is Billy Kelleher's official Election Campaign Manager with Tom in the sidelines.
I'm not aware of Kelleher sticking his oar in, other than his rumourd word in Miriam O'Callaghan's ear to put a little comment at the end of the recent Primetime piece on Cork City FC [Kelleher was in the studio the same night in his Govt. capacity].
The thing is, Tom's name is toxic in many circles around Cork at this stage, people who associate with him are being tarred with the same brush.
Roddy Collins is already getting the 'Tom's lackey' attacks after he's stripped Dan Murray of the captaincy.

[Spotter]

I think there's a huge danger that he's pretending to engage in a buyout process to buy time and ultimately retain control

That seems like an extravagant conspiracy theory but, given the calibre of the guy involved, it's by no means unbelieveable. The situation where a private individual can have total control over a community-based organisation despite almost universal opposition is just wrong. It's a rare breed of megalomanic that has such a brass neck.

[weecountyman]

I think Liam Meaney is Billy Kelleher's official Election Campaign Manager with Tom in the sidelines.
I'm not aware of Kelleher sticking his oar in, other than his rumourd word in Miriam O'Callaghan's ear to put a little comment at the end of the recent Primetime piece on Cork City FC [Kelleher was in the studio the same night in his Govt. capacity].
The thing is, Tom's name is toxic in many circles around Cork at this stage, people who associate with him are being tarred with the same brush.
Roddy Collins is already getting the 'Tom's lackey' attacks after he's stripped Dan Murray of the captaincy.

You could have something there. When John Delaney was up in the Oireachtas addressing the committee (back in December), in the entourage was Tom Coughlan! Now, that may sound like strangebedfellows, but didn't he roll back into FF? And Delaney has been one of the FF brigade (at least I saw him at a fundraiser that was FF backed (for MS). Roddy stripping Dan Murray of the skipper job is something he'd do anyway. I would never read alot into it as most new bosses do it to make a stamp, plus if Dan is going to be leaving soon then it'd have to happen (not defending the man, just trying to give another side). It was very noticeable in his article yesterday how he deliberately only named his new found "signings" as honest. He did the same in Malta when naming club members who were "decent and hardworking", his omissions were meant to sting but showed him up as very petty and unintelligent.

tiktok you've put it very frighteningly close to what will turn out to be the truth regarding the licence. No matter what he'll hang on, hoping for a better time to leave, but it's not going to happen.

[tiktok]

You could have something there. When John Delaney was up in the Oireachtas addressing the committee (back in December), in the entourage was Tom Coughlan! Now, that may sound like strangebedfellows, but didn't he roll back into FF? And Delaney has been one of the FF brigade (at least I saw him at a fundraiser that was FF backed (for MS).

You've picked me up wrong there, I'm not suggesting any FF-Delaney-Coughlan conspiracy theory.
Coughlan was CCFC's representative on the League Committee which is probably why he forced his way in, he wouldn't miss something like that.

My [limited] understanding of Coughlan in terms of FF [I could be completely wrong] is that he was invovled in FF, joined the PD's and ran for election for them. He lost out and subsequently lost a lot of support in the PDs when he tabled a motion that they would be absorbed back into FF. Then he rejoined FF himself.

There is no love lost between Delaney and Coughlan.

[razor]

and that LOI football was more cuthroat that politics

And Tom has proved himself a complete failure at both.

I know TNB was Kellehers election agent (property developer and FF TD in joined at hip SHOCKER!), but has he been sticking his oar in recently?

Guilt by association. Asbo Billy and Tom are best friends.

[razor]

BEFORE MISS JUSTICE LAFFOY
IN COURT 3
AT 11 O'CLOCK

NOTICE

WINDING UP PETITIONS

The attention of practitioners is drawn to Order 74 Rule 16 of the Rules of the Superior Courts (1986) which reads as follows:

The petitioner, or his solicitor, shall prepare a list in. the Form No 9 of the names and addresses of the persons who have given notice of their intention appear on the hearing of a petition, and of their respective solicitors, Or the day appointed for hearing the petition, a copy of the list (of if no notice of intention to appear has been given a statement in writing; to that effect,, shall be handed by the petitioner, or his solicitor. to the Registrar prior to the hearing of the petition.

A list of the names and addresses of the Directors and the Secretary of the Company must be included in the papers handed into Court on the hearing of any such petition.

FOR MENTION
1 THE GASTRO PUB COMPANY LTD -V-
CASTLERING HOLDINGS LTD 2009 7334 P

PETITIONS
2 BLACK SHORE HOLDINGS LTD -V- COS ACTS 2010 11 COS
3 CALLERVIEW PROPERTIES LTD -V-
COMPANIES ACTS 1963 - 2009 2010 32 COS
4 COPPER ALLEY CLOTHING LTD -V-
COMPANIES ACT 1963 TO 2009 2010 24 COS
5 CORK CITY INVESTMENT FC LTD -V-
COMPANIES ACT 1963 TO 2009 2010 23 COS

[tiktok]

BEFORE MISS JUSTICE LAFFOY

I wonder how long we can rely on her patience?
She must be sick of the sight of Tommy at this stage!

[Mr A]

Can't see any other outcome than an adjournment.

[tiktok]

Can't see any other outcome than an adjournment.

In fairness, with takeover talks underway, the revenue shouldn't challenge an adjournment.
It would be the right decision in the circumstances.

[Mr A]

On the other hand, it seems pretty clear that CCFC should not have a license for the coming season, irrespective of any takeover (based on the still players being owed so much money and probability of no tax cert).

Obviously the judge probably won't bother with that but there would be a certain amount of logic to just ending it all now. Chances are the FAI would then bring the FORAS entity into D1- which would be the best outcome all round I suspect (especially if the investors looking to buy the club then came on board with them).

[bluewhitearmy]

On the other hand, it seems pretty clear that CCFC should not have a license for the coming season, irrespective of any takeover (based on the still players being owed so much money and probability of no tax cert).

Obviously the judge probably won't bother with that but there would be a certain amount of logic to just ending it all now. Chances are the FAI would then bring the FORAS entity into D1- which would be the best outcome all round I suspect (especially if the investors looking to buy the club then came on board with them).

Shouldn't they really start in the A championship?

[tiktok]

Mr. A, this is the kicker really.
The entire country now knows

1. That CCFC have missed every deadline for player payment, the player demonstration was on deadline day
2. CCFC do not have a tax clearance certificate, evidenced by the revenue action today [after deadline day]
3. The licence itself was not submitted on time for deadline day, admitted on local radio by Liam Meaney on deadline day

There are very very clear and very very public breaches of the licencing requirements in play and [even though personally i would lie to see the club under new ownership in the Premier division next season] I don't see how the FAI can fudge a Premier division licence. There is no way in hell they can fudge a UEFA licence for European participation though!