Cork City denied a licence; club to be wound up; FORAS to enter First Division

**sligoman** · 31/07/2009, 1:00 PM

How people can accuse the revenue of being harsh here I don't know. It's tough for Cork fans obviously and I wouldn't like it to happen to my club but it's Cork's/Coughlan's own fault and the right decision has been made here in my opinion.

**kingdomkerry** · 31/07/2009, 1:00 PM

Any chance CCFC could have all the money at the Supreme court and be allowed to stay in existence?

**bennocelt** · 31/07/2009, 1:01 PM

Originally Posted by Sheridan

The Revenue have made multi-, multi-, multi-million euro accommodations with tax cheats who have defrauded the people of Ireland of money which could have made a significant contribution to the improvement of the country's third world infrastructure.

Going after a leading cultural resource for working people and putting dozens of people out of work in the process when there was a perfectly acceptable offer on the table is inexcusable, and a good indication of where they're coming from ideologically.

Thanks, thought this was the obvious answer - tx you put it better than i could

**Dodge** · 31/07/2009, 1:02 PM

Revenue haven't accommodated anyone in the last couple of months though. Times have very definitely changed

**White Horse** · 31/07/2009, 1:03 PM

Originally Posted by kingdomkerry

Any chance CCFC could have all the money at the Supreme court and be allowed to stay in existence?

Appeals to the supreme court are on points of law. The issue of money is now irrelevent. This is on the assumption that the High Cout have made a winding up order as reported by Newstalk.

**Duggie** · 31/07/2009, 1:05 PM

Originally Posted by sligoman

How people can accuse the revenue of being harsh here I don't know. It's tough for Cork fans obviously and I wouldn't like it to happen to my club but it's Cork's/Coughlan's own fault and the right decision has been made here in my opinion.

sure cork have put a very good offer on the table and with the celtic friendly money coming in after. fair enough if they put a crappy offer to them but its way to harsh. Yes its late and all but putting them out of business for what. looks like they would get there money.

**Mr A** · 31/07/2009, 1:05 PM

So what is it that Cork are appealing? Surely they can only appeal the decision to issue the winding up order last Monday that would come into effect unless the Revenue agreed a deal with CCFC. They cannot appeal the decision today by the revenue.

Since that judgement on Monday was very generous to CCFC I can't see what they hope to gain to be honest. On the day Coughlan had feck all to offer and the decision was undoubtedly correct. Messy, strange and horrible situation for all involved.

**SeanDrog** · 31/07/2009, 1:08 PM

surely the Supreem court cannot force revenue to accept anything? Its not examinership. Perhaps some legal eagles on here can provide some thoughts on what angle Cork may be looking at?

**dcfcsteve** · 31/07/2009, 1:08 PM

Originally Posted by Sheridan

Going after a leading cultural resource for working people and putting dozens of people out of work in the process when there was a perfectly acceptable offer on the table is inexcusable, and a good indication of where they're coming from ideologically.

Sheridan - spare us the misty-eyed class rhetoric. Football is far from the preserve of "working people" these days, and the Revenue's decision is not the latest salvo in some some sort of ideological or class war....

Very bad news re Cork, but I agree with those who say that the Revenue is not the villain here. Coughlan shouldn't have been playing brinkmanship with people who are bigger and stronger than him. It'sx just unfortunate that Cork are the victims here, not him.

**Lilywhite Army** · 31/07/2009, 1:08 PM

All sympathies to Cork and there fans..
Was a fantastic club..sad for the cork area...Hopefully the people of cork get a club back up and running..What is the biggest club in the Munstet these days,,Waterford or liMerick now

**Duggie** · 31/07/2009, 1:09 PM

Originally Posted by Dodge

Revenue haven't accommodated anyone in the last couple of months though. Times have very definitely changed

would they have a good chance at the the supreme with whats seems to us as a very good offer to stay in business would u say?

**Sheridan** · 31/07/2009, 1:13 PM

Originally Posted by Dodge

Revenue haven't accommodated anyone in the last couple of months though. Times have very definitely changed

You can't seriously believe that the Revenue and, for that matter, the CAB couldn't raise a decent chunk of the budget deficit from the country's top earners if they weren't politically constrained from doing so.

If the issue was Coughlan, Coughlan would be gone or the FAI would have let them hang.

**dcfcsteve** · 31/07/2009, 1:14 PM

Originally Posted by Duggie

sure cork have put a very good offer on the table and with the celtic friendly money coming in after. fair enough if they put a crappy offer to them but its way to harsh. Yes its late and all but putting them out of business for what. looks like they would get there money.

The Revenue's role is not just to look at the short-term money, but also the big picture.

It's widely acknowledged that the LOI has been a messer's paradise for decades in tax terms, and it's also widely acknowledged that the Revenue has the league in its sights these days because of that. In taking their stance here, the Revenue have to consider not just the short burst of money they'd get if they let Cork limp on, but also the likelihood of Cork being a viable entity afterwards (and therefore not being back in square one a few months later).

And the Revenue also need to consider the league-wide picture. It's been known that they want the league cleaned-up, yet we all know there's still financial shenanigans happening left, right and centre. So sticking to their guns on Cork City is probably their way of sending a warning to all other clubs as well, which is arguably more important that collecting a bit of money off Cork and then having to hound every other club continuously.

Harsh on City - yes ; but it would be a stance the Revenue would be entitled to take. And the bottom line is that it's not their fault Cork got themselves where they did, and not their responsibility to rescue them either.

**Larry 'da' Wyse** · 31/07/2009, 1:17 PM

Originally Posted by dcfcsteve

, and Coughlan shouldn't have been playing brinkmanship with people who are bigger and stronger than him. It'sx just unfortunate that Cork are the victims here, not him.

Has he not written off �700k of his own money? Whatever stupid decisions he made once he got control of the club, would the club not have gone under a lot earlier had he not got involved?

**Mr A** · 31/07/2009, 1:18 PM

He has in his arse put in 700k!

**blue til i die** · 31/07/2009, 1:19 PM

Club Statement:

On behalf of Cork City FC, we wish to confirm our decision to appeal the decision made by the revenue commssioners not to accept the proposal put forward in the High Court this morning.

It is our intention to seek a stay on the order for leave to appeal to the supreme court. During this period we will settle our outstanding liability in full.

We believe that our proposal demonstrates not just our commitment but also our ability to settle our liability in full in the short term. In addition to this, under the guidance of the Quintas Group we now have a sustainable business model which will protect jobs and ensure that a similar situation will not arise going forward.

We have a big match tonight against Bray Wanderers at Turner's Cross, so we are looking forward to getting back to football and hope to see the Rebel Army there in big numbers

It is appropriate that we take this opportunity to thank all of those who have rallied behind the cause and demonstrated their support in recent times. In particular we would like to thank our manager and players for their loyalty and continuing hard work to deliver success on the pitch. Also, Dermot Desmond and Celtic FC for their commitment to come to Cork, John Delaney and the FAI who have been very helpful and supportive behind the scenes and of course, Jim McCarthy of Quintas for lending us their considerable expertise and advice. Also, we would like to thank Olann Kelleher and Mark Riordan.

**pineapple stu** · 31/07/2009, 1:20 PM

I believe that as much as I believe Arkaga put in E1.5m.

Supreme Court is only for appeals on a point of law, isn't it? No chance there; has to be purely a stalling tactic?

Surprised at how many people are surprised Revenue didn't come to a deal today.

**Mr A** · 31/07/2009, 1:20 PM

How the hell can they appeal a decision by the revenue? This looks like just a stupid charade and a criminal waste of money.

**Black and White** · 31/07/2009, 1:21 PM

Will Turners Cross be packed to the rafters tonight to give out about Coughlan and the Revenue(not their fault but you have to hate them anyways)?!

**John83** · 31/07/2009, 1:22 PM

Originally Posted by Larry 'da' Wyse

Has he not written off €700k of his own money? Whatever stupid decisions he made once he got control of the club, would the club not have gone under a lot earlier had he not got involved?

He's made that claim. The numbers don't add up, and most people don't believe he's put in a penny.

Originally Posted by Black and White

Will Turners Cross be packed to the rafters tonight to give out about Coughlan and the Revenue(not their fault but you have to hate them anyways)?!

I doubt it. If anything, I'd have thought it'll be a very small crowd.