Cork City denied a licence; club to be wound up; FORAS to enter First Division

**razor** · 05/02/2010, 11:54 AM

Originally Posted by weecountyman

This is a really depressing situation. The scariest thing of all is that Tom will get a licence,

Without even applying?
I know using credibility and the FAI in the same sentence is funny but I think that even they cannot give him one at this stage.
No licence = no club = goodbye Tom
Our last chance now is FORAS, the only show in town.
After todays debacle with Dan Murray,Shoddy can go to hell (or Dublin, same thing I guess

)

Its sickening and depressing what has happened to Dan Murray.
Thanks Dan for all you've done.
Those responsible will get whats coming to them.

**Onefootednopace** · 05/02/2010, 12:05 PM

[QUOTE=razor;1316878]Its sickening and depressing what has happened to Dan Murray.
Thanks Dan for all you've done.
Those responsible will get whats coming to them.[/QUOTE]

Spot on Razor, I agree with those sentiments. "The Dan" was a great leader on the pitch for City and a very nice guy off the pitch as well. A shame to see him go, but can you blame him.

**weecountyman** · 05/02/2010, 12:09 PM

Originally Posted by razor

Without even applying?
I know using credibility and the FAI in the same sentence is funny but I think that even they cannot give him one at this stage.
No licence = no club = goodbye Tom
Our last chance now is FORAS, the only show in town.
After todays debacle with Dan Murray,Shoddy can go to hell (or Dublin, same thing I guess

)

Its sickening and depressing what has happened to Dan Murray.
Thanks Dan for all you've done.
Those responsible will get whats coming to them.

Now now, Dublin isn't too bad, if Dan likes it .... :-)

Razor I was under the same opinion as yourself, they didn't apply and so won't get a licence etc, but there's something going on behind the scenes and maybe it's my suspicious mind, but what I know for sure is this, Tom has high up connections, the shots taken at him by the FAI/LOI are not going to do any damage as both bodies are protecting him from sanctions by UEFA and FIFA (both bodies have rejected the prosecution that there was any improriety going on with Rod's signing - this DESPITE the club admitting they didn't return calls or contacts from Floriana and the MFA, and Roddy admitting he lied on his affadavit!). I believe we will see some schmuck stick a couple of hundred grand into the club, Tom stays on as majority shareholder (while continuing to mess around) and then it all blows up when the club tries to clip Roddy's wings for wheeler dealing and this time next year we're still discussing the same situation!

**blackholesun** · 05/02/2010, 12:15 PM

Originally Posted by tiktok

Cork City and Dan Murray have cancelled his contract by "mutual consent" [he's admitted on local radio here he didn't want to kleave, he's been forced out].
He's doing a medical at Shamrock Rovers this morning, expected to sign later on.

The last couple of years have been tough as a City fan, in Dan Murray we had a man who led by example through it all, on and off the pitch. He recently got voted our player of the decade in an online poll and he's widely recognised as the best captain our club has had. There are so few embers of our club left glowing right now it's almost unbearable, Roddy Collins forcing Dan Murray out of the club [and dion't let anyone else tell you otherwise] extinguishes a few more.

In this action, Collins has managed to pack his suitcases for his own exit before he has even managed a competitive match.
We'll get rid of Coughlan shortly, you're next against the wall Roddy, make no mistake, you ****ing ****!

The darkest hour comes before the dawn ... sure Rovers lost Pat McCourt, Dave Mooney and Jason Gavin and others during the transfer window for nothing while the club was in administration. One of the first jobs to be tackled when the fans took over was getting rid of Collins the spoofer. So no reason why Cork cant follow the same route and rebuild the club slowly and properly over a few seasons.

Murray should be a great addittion to the Rovers squad for the coming season.

bhs

**yiddo** · 05/02/2010, 12:18 PM

Originally Posted by weecountyman

Now now, Dublin isn't too bad, if Dan likes it .... :-)

Razor I was under the same opinion as yourself, they didn't apply and so won't get a licence etc, but there's something going on behind the scenes and maybe it's my suspicious mind, but what I know for sure is this, Tom has high up connections, the shots taken at him by the FAI/LOI are not going to do any damage as both bodies are protecting him from sanctions by UEFA and FIFA (both bodies have rejected the prosecution that there was any improriety going on with Rod's signing - this DESPITE the club admitting they didn't return calls or contacts from Floriana and the MFA, and Roddy admitting he lied on his affadavit!). I believe we will see some schmuck stick a couple of hundred grand into the club, Tom stays on as majority shareholder (while continuing to mess around) and then it all blows up when the club tries to clip Roddy's wings for wheeler dealing and this time next year we're still discussing the same situation!

if there is a schmuk with money to throw away tnb won't find him in Cork. At this stage the dogs of the road down here know tnbs form and the game is up! FORAS is the only show in town and at this stage I'm happy with that.With the best will in the world if another investor comes in and turfs tommy out we'll still be beholding to them! Lets stand on our own 2 feet and go for it!

**pineapple stu** · 08/02/2010, 12:27 PM

Per the Echo, Quintas have pulled out of the takeover after conducting due diligence. Hard to see any outcome now bar the company being wound up in court on Monday and a FORAS team in the A League or the First Division.

**Buile Shuibhne** · 08/02/2010, 12:42 PM

Have FORAS definitely just applied for an A League licence?

**tiktok** · 08/02/2010, 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by Buile Shuibhne

Have FORAS definitely just applied for an A League licence?

All you can do is make your application as strong as it can possibly be, if there is an opening in the 1st division and you meet the criteria, you should be considered though there's no guarantee you'd get it.

**Buile Shuibhne** · 08/02/2010, 12:52 PM

By Cork getting relegated out of the Premier Div, they create a vacancy in the First Div - into which the new FORAS entity could slot into

**Longfordian** · 08/02/2010, 12:56 PM

Any truth in the whisper I heard that Shels were told they wouldn't get a Premier Licence for Tolka?. Just something I heard from somebody with long standing connections to Shels. Waterford could end up going up yet.

**Buile Shuibhne** · 08/02/2010, 1:00 PM

Shels were given a list of works - mostly emergency lighting in the stands and safefty signage and marking - which need to be undertaken to meet Prem Div criteria.

Those works are now in progress.

**Longfordian** · 08/02/2010, 1:05 PM

Fair enough. Cheers.

**paudie** · 08/02/2010, 1:08 PM

Originally Posted by Longfordian

Any truth in the whisper I heard that Shels were told they wouldn't get a Premier Licence for Tolka?. Just something I heard from somebody with long standing connections to Shels. Waterford could end up going up yet.

With Drogs licence in doubt both Shels and Waterford may be playing in the Prem next season

**pineapple stu** · 08/02/2010, 1:12 PM

Bray get first dibs surely? Then Shels and then Waterford.

**tiktok** · 08/02/2010, 1:19 PM

Originally Posted by Buile Shuibhne

By Cork getting relegated out of the Premier Div, they create a vacancy in the First Div - into which the new FORAS entity could slot into

If Cork City are relegated and are awarded a First Division licence, then there won't be a FORAS club.
If Cork City are thrown out of the league entirely, and a slot is available in the 1st as a result, I'd hope FORAS are considered if the criteria are met but other clubs e.g. Cobh Ramblers or Tralee Dynamos may also meet 1st division criteria and would equally deserve consideration [possibly they'd be more deserving as they'd have footballing grounds]

**Longfordian** · 08/02/2010, 1:21 PM

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Bray get first dibs surely? Then Shels and then Waterford.

I think Bray may have reservations about going back up for this season. They'd have no time to get a decent squad together and it'd likely be a lot tougher to finance a Premier campaign especially if you're doing very badly.

**pineapple stu** · 08/02/2010, 1:22 PM

I'd have though Bray would jump at the chance of playing in the DDSL, to be honest. Low transport costs and good away gates.

**Longfordian** · 08/02/2010, 1:26 PM

Maybe that's just an impression I get from their supporters, you have increased gates but also increased security. They don't seem to have any money to spend even in the First so they could be cut adrift early on, which would be bad for sponsorhip and gates probably.

**Buile Shuibhne** · 08/02/2010, 1:33 PM

Do Bray have a problem with the Carlisle Grounds that might prevent them getting a Prem Div licence.

That side of the ground where the wall collapsed during the season - I've heard it's still closed and hasn't been repaired?

**pineapple stu** · 08/02/2010, 1:42 PM

Originally Posted by Longfordian

Maybe that's just an impression I get from their supporters, you have increased gates but also increased security. They don't seem to have any money to spend even in the First so they could be cut adrift early on, which would be bad for sponsorhip and gates probably.

It's the away gates that are the important ones. Bray doing rubbish wouldn't eat much into the 1500 Rovers fans you could expect twice a season.

It's a tough call to make though; we were kind of in their position this time last year (not as likely to happen, but we were still pondering it) and there's definite pros and cons about staying down or going back up. Waterford haven't fully recovered from 2007, for example.