FAI Junior Cup 2009/10

**Innishvilla** · 03/02/2010, 8:06 AM

Originally Posted by prionsias9

Hi everyone. Can anyone help me with this query. What is the ruling when a goalkeeper deliberately handles the ball outside his area, the 18yard line?

You should post this in the Advice on the laws of the game thread as there are a few refs are pretty good at answering these type of posts. But it would need more detail as Carrick hoops reply outlines, eg. did keeper catch ball and stumble outside area or dive at feet of attacked outside area? both handball but both very different circumstances...

**BigfeetBigsocks** · 03/02/2010, 10:24 AM

Originally Posted by prionsias9

Hi everyone. Can anyone help me with this query. What is the ruling when a goalkeeper deliberately handles the ball outside his area, the 18yard line?

Deliberate Handball will be a yellow card offence, if you Dogsoh - Denied obvious goal scoring oppourtunity by handball then its a red card. So depending on circumstances will determine what type of offence has taken place. hope that helps

**faces** · 03/02/2010, 11:09 AM

Kilmallock at home on the 21st to winners of portmanock match.

**KUFCMan** · 03/02/2010, 11:18 AM

This weekends fixtures.....

R4.Thurs 4th Feb.Rock Celtic V Kentstown
R5.Sat 6th Feb.Leeside V Cabinteely
R5.Sat 6th Feb.Killarney Celtic V College Corinthians
R5.Sat 6th Feb.Orchard Athletic V Colemanstown
R5.Sun 7th Feb.Iorras V Carrick
R5.Sun 7th Feb.Crettyard V Porto
R5.Sun 7th Feb.Corrib Celtic V Nenagh celtic
R5.Sun 7th Feb.Mervue V St Michaels
R5.Sun 7th Feb.Lagan Harps V NUI
R5.Sun 7th Feb.Willow Park V Knocklyon
R5.Sun 7th Feb.St Pauls V Rock or Kentstown(Provisional)

**BigfeetBigsocks** · 03/02/2010, 11:19 AM

Originally Posted by faces

Kilmallock at home on the 21st to winners of portmanock match.

Welcome back, :-)

**Referee09** · 03/02/2010, 1:33 PM

Originally Posted by prionsias9

Hi everyone. Can anyone help me with this query. What is the ruling when a goalkeeper deliberately handles the ball outside his area, the 18yard line?

OK... if it's not deliberate handball there is no offence, so the referee must deem it to be deliberate handball to award a freekick....also not every handball is worthy of a yellow card, surrounding circumstances must be taken into effect i.e. was the handball deliberately done to prevent the opponent gaining an advantage, if so then you would yellow card.....So If the goalkeeper is deemed to have deliberately handled the ball and denied his opponent gaining an advantage - Yellow Card.....if he has denied an obvious goal scoring opportunity - Red Card...... If it wasn't deliberate - no offence!!!
Hope this helps!

**BigfeetBigsocks** · 03/02/2010, 2:22 PM

So your basically saying what i said three posts ago.....

**redcardrory** · 03/02/2010, 2:34 PM

will ye ever check out the rules, once he handballs the ball its a red card, look at the rule book

**prionsias9** · 03/02/2010, 2:36 PM

Originally Posted by BigfeetBigsocks

Deliberate Handball will be a yellow card offence, if you Dogsoh - Denied obvious goal scoring oppourtunity by handball then its a red card. So depending on circumstances will determine what type of offence has taken place. hope that helps

Thanks. It happened at our match on sunday,and some people werent sure whether the ref was correct to give goalkeeper yellow card.Once again thanks and good luck to everyone inthe fai junior cup.

**Referee09** · 03/02/2010, 3:08 PM

Originally Posted by BigfeetBigsocks

So your basically saying what i said three posts ago.....

What you actually said was deliberate handball is a yellow card, which is incorrect.........Read my post again, and maybe the laws of the game too!!

**faces** · 03/02/2010, 3:33 PM

Cheers BIGFEET

**gameon** · 04/02/2010, 4:34 PM

Originally Posted by BigfeetBigsocks

Deliberate Handball will be a yellow card offence, if you Dogsoh - Denied obvious goal scoring oppourtunity by handball then its a red card. So depending on circumstances will determine what type of offence has taken place. hope that helps

the goalkeeper lifted the ball from the centre forwards feet as he tried to take it around him

**celticlads** · 04/02/2010, 4:50 PM

[QUOTE=blinkx;1314412]Decent draw for the limerick teams. Could be an interesting year for them. Pike and Fairview should ease through even with the away games, and with Regional having home advantage it should see them advance.

ya i think your right blinkx id imagine pike will win comfortable enough. they allready beat the nenagh crowd handy last year and pike are alot stronger this year.

**hooper74** · 04/02/2010, 4:53 PM

[QUOTE=celticlads;1316658]

Originally Posted by blinkx

Decent draw for the limerick teams. Could be an interesting year for them. Pike and Fairview should ease through even with the away games, and with Regional having home advantage it should see them advance.

ya i think your right blinkx id imagine pike will win comfortable enough. they allready beat the nenagh crowd handy last year and pike are alot stronger this year.

but sure as you already told us all you have the secret to beat pike so we will all be tuned into that game

**celticlads** · 04/02/2010, 5:28 PM

[QUOTE=hooper74;1316659]

Originally Posted by celticlads

but sure as you already told us all you have the secret to beat pike so we will all be tuned into that game

ah ya but that was in there not in our field, it suits them better.

**the 12 th man** · 04/02/2010, 5:36 PM

Originally Posted by gameon

the goalkeeper lifted the ball from the centre forwards feet as he tried to take it around him

Definite straight red card.

**BigfeetBigsocks** · 04/02/2010, 6:26 PM

Originally Posted by Referee09

What you actually said was deliberate handball is a yellow card, which is incorrect.........Read my post again, and maybe the laws of the game too!!

I am pretty sure I know them it's the refs who complicate it with there varied interpretations, I bet you if you stuck a group of twenty plus refs in a room and discussed what's a foul, offside ,red card yellow card. You would be there for hours cause you would never agree on anything. Why do you think we get confused but thanks for advice anyway.

**KUFCMan** · 04/02/2010, 10:36 PM

FAI Junior Cup 4TH Round result

Rock Celtic 1-0 Kentstown

**Referee09** · 05/02/2010, 8:35 AM

Originally Posted by BigfeetBigsocks

I am pretty sure I know them it's the refs who complicate it with there varied interpretations, I bet you if you stuck a group of twenty plus refs in a room and discussed what's a foul, offside ,red card yellow card. You would be there for hours cause you would never agree on anything. Why do you think we get confused but thanks for advice anyway.

Thats a valid point, opinions vary always, hence why the Fai are running grassroot development modules for referees. These started last season and will continue for the future.

Would you also accept Biggie, that if you put all the club coaches/managers in your respective area in the same room, and watched the same footage, they also would "never agree"

as you put it..........so education on the Laws shouldn't only be for referees...............

**Blackpanther** · 05/02/2010, 2:05 PM

[QUOTE=celticlads;1316658]

Originally Posted by blinkx

Decent draw for the limerick teams. Could be an interesting year for them. Pike and Fairview should ease through even with the away games, and with Regional having home advantage it should see them advance.

ya i think your right blinkx id imagine pike will win comfortable enough. they allready beat the nenagh crowd handy last year and pike are alot stronger this year.

Could end up with 5 Limerick teams in the last 16 this year, would be some achievement.