Quotethey should dig into the ground and lower the level of the pitch like what they did at Man City.
It was the southern part of the East Stand that I was talking about (ie. towards the Havelock Square end of the ground). The reason the top tier of the current East Stand does not run the full length of the pitch in Lansdowne is because the local residents (in Ringsend?) to the north-east felt that it would block their light. This is probably true as afternoon and evening sunlight would fail to reach this low-rise residential area. The plans for the new Lansdowne try to mitigate the effects of shadow on this area, while maintaining the height of the southern part of the East Stand.Originally Posted by eirebhoy
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they should dig into the ground and lower the level of the pitch like what they did at Man City.
I got the impression that (from the inside) it will be akin to say the City of Manchester Stadium.
How far from the mark am I?
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So there's no question of them rotating where the pitch is?
I thought that'd be a good idea. There'd be loads of space if they got rid of at least one of the rugby pitches.
City definetly have the best bands playing at half-time.
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For years they spoke about rotating the pitch, thereby making use of the open space to the rear of the East Stand. I think the Millenium Stadium was built in a similar way with the old Cardiff Arms pitch being rotated, although I could be wrong. However, my understanding is that the playing field to the rear of the East Stand belongs to Wanderers RFC, not the IRFU. As far as I know, the new design is already encroaching onto Wanderers playing field. I might be wrong but I think the same playing field is/was zoned for public open space. From what I've heard the initial talks over redeveloping Lansdowne centred mainly on ownership rights. These talks established that the Lansdowne Road stadium and the playing field to the rear of the East Stand were separate land holdings.
Prior to the Eircom Park project, the government set up a committee which would look into the feasability of a national stadium. The likes of Bernard O'Byrne and Liam Mulvihill of the GAA were on the committee, with members of the IRFU. They believed that the existing stadium and adjacent playing field offered an excellent opportunity to rotate the pitch and build an 80,000 all-seater stadium. However, the later difficulties concerning land-ownership and the subsequent constraints imposed by the lack of space will mean that the stadium will hold approximately 50,000.
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The conceptual design of the new Lansdowne Road stadium will be unveiled today, I cant wait to see it !!Lansdowne: the problems
COST The initial cost of leasing Lansdowne Road from the Pembroke Estate back in 1908 was £50 per annum. How things have changed. The cost of revamping the stadium will be around €360m, some €65m more than first announced.
However, both the IRFU and FAI have assured the government that no extra cost will be incurred by the taxpayer, claiming that they will be able to increase their respective contributions by €35m each.
As it stands the government will be contributing €191m to the project. The IRFU have committed around €100m and the FAI €66m. John Delaney has proposed that the money can be raised through the sale of 10-year corporate tickets and he does not anticipate any borrowing.
CORPORATE The corporate world is where the FAI has targeted most, if not all of their energy, in raising the funds required. In revised plans the number and cost of corporate boxes, premium-level seats and corporate facilities have been increased.
A patron who purchases such a ticket for the redeveloped Lansdowne can expect to cough up in the region of €7200. A similar privilege at the new Wembley Stadium will cost you €12000, while anyone who already owns a ticket in Croke Park has paid €7,500.
Economics dictate this strategy is pursued, but our prawn sandwich-munching corporate friends are a fickle bunch. If results are not going well then they are generally the first to turn their back.
CONTRACTS In light of recent catastrophes in the awarding of contracts for major projects, tendering of this process had to be seen to be competitive.
In April Minister John O'Donoghue announced HOK Sport Architecture and PM Ltd as the design and project management teams respectively and these have since been engaged with planning consultant Tom Phillips in the whole process.
The CVs of both teams are impressive. PM is involved in the redevelopment of Wembley Stadium and Twickenham, while HOK Sports are one of the world's largest sports architectural practices. They are also involved in the Wembley project as well as Arsenal's new stadium. Other projects they were involved in are the Millennium Stadium, Croke Park and the upgrades of Ascot and Cheltenham racecourses.
IMPACT As part of the planning process project management and design teams will have to submit an independent Environmental Impact Study.
The two major issues that will affect the local community and general public at large are the potential height of the stadium and the inevitable disruption to DART and inter-city rail services.
On the former issue, increased provisions for corporate seating may increase the height of the new East and West stands, which would further impact on local residents' quality of life.
Of the latter, part of the existing plan - which may be quite different after today - is to provide an underground exit from the stadium which will avoid the severe congestion which occurs around Lansdowne Road DART station after a game.
CROKE PARK The decision of the GAA to open the hallowed gates of Croke Park to other sports was obviously welcomed by everyone who has a love for Irish sport.
But will Ireland's decline in the FIFA World rankings affect the profitability of the Irish team playing at GAA HQ? Attendance figures of 25,000 have been mooted as the threshold of productivity for a match at Croke Park and if Ireland can't attract the big names of world football anymore for friendlies then the FAI could be facing problems.
TIMESCALE As of now the redevelopment is on schedule and management teams are set to lodge a planning application by the end of this year. If the various studies and debate proceed smoothly, construction could commence in 2007. The stadium is expected to take 27 months to complete.
From today, though, when a revised conceptual design is released, the real fun and games can start. It will take all the skill and effort of everyone involved to deliver this project on time and on budget.
In such a built-up area a plethora of planning issues are likely to be faced. The ability of the FAI to generate the capital needed solely from the sale of ten-year tickets is also an area of concern.
http://www.unison.ie/irish_independe...issue_id=13146
I should just sneank onto the block booking list then
Not necessarily. As far as I know the current block booking allocation may actually decrease. The FAI seem keen to obtain a significant proportion of their income through the sale of corporate and ten-year seats.
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I think it;s the latter, but just to clarify:
Are we talking about a full roof here - like Amsterdam/Cardiff?
Or 4 stands all with roofs?
€7,000 for the 10 year tickets is outrageous!
Anyone who's willing to pay €700 a year for an average of 5 home games a year needs their head examined!
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The designs for the stadium are online below.
http://www.lrsdc.ie/news/default.asp?NCID=50&NID=427
Looks great!!
wow, it looks modern... lets hope they can keep the old toilets
MINISTER UNVEILS NEW DESIGN FOR LANSDOWNE STADIUM
17th October 2005
Confirmation that Application for Planning will be made in December
Mr John O’Donoghue, TD, Minister for Arts, Sport and Tourism unveiled the design for the new Lansdowne Road Stadium at a function held earlier today, Monday 17th October, 2005, in Lansdowne Road. The design, which has been created by international stadia architects, HOK Sport Architecture, working with Ireland’s Scott Tallon Walker is for a 50,000 all seated stadium. Mr O’Donoghue also confirmed that plans are on schedule to lodge for planning permission in December of this year.
More images can be seen in our Media Gallery
The new design which has been created by the HOK/Scott Tallon Walker team has evolved over a four month period during which when the Design Team met with many of the different stakeholder groups involved in and impacted by the stadium.
The resultant design which is on four levels for three sides, sweeps down to one level at the North End to minimise the impact on those residents living in closest proximity to the stadium. The design also makes wide usage of both translucent and reflective materials all of which are designed to minimise the impact on the local area by reflecting as much light as possible.
Commenting on the design the Minister said "This is another major piece of sporting infrastructure in the city of Dublin which will be enjoyed by all Irish people. We can be proud of this imaginative and attractive design. It is a superb modern structure and one which I hope will come to be an icon for Irish rugby and soccer followers."
Speaking of the design Mr Philip Browne, Chairman of Lansdowne Road Stadium Development Company, complimented the Design Team on what he said was a most innovative solution to the challenges they faced.
“This is a very different stadium to the one which we looked at in our original feasibility study. We believe the team has taken on board many of the concerns raised and have addressed them without compromising their design. They have also built in a great deal more facilities than we originally had hoped for. This in turn has given us a wider range of funding opportunities.”
“As we have already indicated the budget for the stadium will be €365 million (€321 plus VAT). Given the additional funding opportunities through the provision of additional premium seats and corporate facilities the IRFU and the FAI are confident that the additional monies needed will be raised by the two associations. As you know, the Government is providing a generous contribution of €191 million.”
Speaking on behalf of HOK Sport Architecture the Senior Principal, Rod Sheard, said: "The new Lansdowne Road Stadium is a design for the 21st Century, symbolising the positive future for sport in Ireland. It will be a sporting and entertainment venue that provides facilities and comfort levels comparable to the best in the world."
" The stadium has been designed to be distinctive and to complement its setting in the heart of the city, creating a national stadium which will be globally recognisable as the home of Irish Rugby and Football."
Christopher Lee, HOK Sport Architecture’s Design Principal added: “Reflecting the colour of the sky and light conditions, the building’s façade will be ever changing. The undulating transparent form of the new Lansdowne Road stadium will be an ephemeral addition to the skyline of Dublin."
The PM is right, the amount of tickets available to those on the block booking list is not due to increase with the new stadium. Most of the extra seats will be for corporate tickets. We can't really complain either cos without the corporates we won't have a stadium.
If you're reasonably high on the list you'll probably get on it in the next year or two anyway because alot of people will drop off the actual list because of the year of friendlies ahead.
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I think the reason they cannot rotate the stadium is that can't have large stand at the north terrace - Havelock Square side.
Interesting that will have 4 tiers in 3 sides but only 1 on the north side. Pictures make it very hard to imagine what will be like.
If they can build on time & in budget then will be good value by irish standards. I can't imagine that can be any valid planning delays as surely the designers have been talking to residents & the design must have been sounded out with them? They could close the entrance at the Havelock Square side in exchange for residents backing?
what does everyone think about the way it drops down to just one tier ? I guess thats where we can stick the away supporters but will it look right ?
Very impressed.
Is that the only picture?
When are ye thinking it'll be ready?
2010?
This is Ireland.
Expect delays and cost over-runs.
City definetly have the best bands playing at half-time.
O'Bama - "Eerah yeah, I'd say we can alright!"
G.O'Mahoney Trapattoni'll sort ém out!!
I think it looks class. Hopefully we'll be playing in it in the run up to 2010 World Cup. I don't know the ins and outs of planning but surely if they have been consulting residents in the design there shouldn't be many objections?
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1 year of planning and under 2 years of construction after that. So 2009 is the expected completion date. I reckon if they can square away the planning procedure without any hick ups then they will deliver the stadium on time. Stadia are easy enough to build compared to LUAS or tunnels.
It will be class to play the Ericom league cup finals there and all those international games ! Roll on 2009
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