QuoteI think the whole thing comes down to the residents. If they give the ok the whole PP thing could be wrapped up in 9 months. If they dont like the stadium and are a bunch of NIMBY's it could be 2 years of a PP nightmare
Anyone got an "artists impression" of Bertie Bowl?
I think the whole thing comes down to the residents. If they give the ok the whole PP thing could be wrapped up in 9 months. If they dont like the stadium and are a bunch of NIMBY's it could be 2 years of a PP nightmare
http://www.gaa.irish-guy.com/img/stadium%20ireland.jpgOriginally Posted by pete
Here it is:
http://www.bobrowski.co.uk/Images/st...iumireland.jpg
Nice little stadium model that. I wonder how long took to make...
Residents around Lansdowne have 2 choices
- Stop moaning about a new Stadium & try to influence design without blocking
- Block the stadium & then get ready for large apartment & office buildings.
If Lansdowne is not rebuild then it will be sold to developer. Residents need to decide what they think is best as it will be developed one way or other.
And don't forget Eircom Stadium. Saw a lovely graphic of that all in a shiny brochure. I signed up for a seat in that but politely declined when they actually came looking for the money because it was dead in the water by then.
No way, from personal experience stadiums built on greenfield sites, on the outskirts of town/in the middle of nowhere, are a disaster when it comes to matchday-experience. It's fine for tee-total fans/bores who take up their seats 3 hours before kick-off, but for the vast majority who like to have a few drinks and soak up the pre-game atmosphere in the pubs etc, getting to these stadiums is a nightmare. There's never any great facilities pub/bar wise at these stadiums, plus you have to put aside on average 1 hour to get to the stadium from wherever you are. Lansdowne Rd is perfect. It's bang in the centre of Dublin, surrounded by hotels and pubs and is easily serviced by the dart line. It has everything that Abbotstown doesn't have, plus a history to boot. Greenfield sites out of town are a complete no no as far as i'm concerned.
I think the new stadium will work well. As you say its right in the center and its near the DART. If we have bigger games in the future we might be able to use Croker.
I wish croker would cover up that big gap on the hill. It kills the atmosphere
it looks like a fecking roller coaster.........jump on and here we go!
TBH, I think rebuilding any stadium in an built up residential area with poor access routes that get backed up for hours is a bad idea. It is hard enough to get to the place at the best of times with only 36,000 going to it. Cant imagine what it will be like with extra traffic.
Surely the best solution (but non viable, non brown envelopes?) attempt to get an area on the outskirts and have good access routes to it with good parking areas and shuttle busses from the city maybe?
part of the plan is to have an underpass at the lansdowne road level crossing so that the gates wont hold up fans anymore. additional crossing points over the river are also planned. rugby internationals and many football friendlys regularly have 48,000 at them with problems for those who turn up 5mins before ko only.
non city centre stadiums just dont work at all
As far as I know that was just a stadium drawing made up for promotional purposes and the actual stadium had not been designed so nobody knows what it would have looked like.
The Allianz Arena cost €340m. Work started October 2002 and stadium opened last may.
www.allianz-arena.de
IMO this is the best option for both the IRFU and FAI. A modern stadium near the city centre with 50,000 seats which is enough to get us both the UEFA and Champions League Finals in years to come. As said before if Frank McDonald is happy with it then something is right.
KOH
http://www.soccercentral.ie/viewstor...&viewstory=yesThe plans for the development of the proposed new Lansdowne Road were lodged with Dublin City Council earlier today (Thursday, 12 January, 2006).
The proposed new 50,000 all seated stadium has been designed by international stadia architects, HOK Sport Architecture, working in conjunction with leading Irish company Scott Tallon Walker.
The new stadium which has been budgeted to cost €365 million is a joint venture between the IRFU and the FAI with the Government providing €191million towards the funding. Lansdowne Road Stadium Development Company (LRSDC), the company making the planning application, was set up by the IRFU and the FAI in September 2004 to manage the project on their behalf.
A one-year period has been allocated for due process on the planning application. Construction proper, depending on planning, is scheduled to commence in the first quarter of 2007 and to finish in the second quarter of 2009. The existing stadium will be available for matches during 2006.
When complete, the stadium will consist of a continuous curvilinear shaped stand enclosing all four sides of the ground. The South, East and West stands will have four tiers of seating for spectators. The bottom and top tiers will provide the main volume of spectating facilities.
The second tier will provide facilities for premium ticket holders and the third tier will provide facilities for corporate boxes. There will be 10,000 seats at premium level and a further 1,300 at box level. Many of these will be sold in advance to help finance the overall project.
The North stand will comprise of one low level seating tier, to reflect its proximity to the residential properties at that end of the ground.
There will be continuous access around the three sides to all facilities at premium and box levels. There will be excellent hospitality facilities throughout the ground. These facilities are essential in any modern sports stadium to generate additional revenues and help fund the overall investment.
The redeveloped stadium has been designed to provide superb facilities not alone for spectators but also for players, the media and the many support personnel needed to stage all events.
The unique design of the new stands and roof creates additional weather protected seating capacity within the constraints of the existing site. The design has been optimised to ensure all spectators have an excellent view of the pitch while retaining the unique Lansdowne Road atmosphere.
Space for the redevelopment has been created by a realignment of the pitch and by the creation of a new access podium over the railway line. This podium, which will be created above the railway line, will allow spectators access the stadium at premium seat level.
The existing two rear pitches that run East-West at the moment will also be realigned and combined into one pitch running North-South.
Among the many other features of the new development are:
· A more balanced, across the board network of access and egress routes that will make it easier and more convenient for spectators to get to and leave the stadium and will relieve the congestion on adjoining neighbours. These include underpasses which will mean the level crossing gates for the Dart can be left permanently closed on match days.
· Improved player facilities for home and away teams, custom designed to meet the requirements of the various codes. These include warm up rooms and state-of-the-art treatment facilities.
· Enhanced press facilities for up to 300 journalists including TV monitors, interview rooms and all modern connectivity requirements.
· TV / Radio commentary boxes located on the upper level with optimum viewing locations and easy access to flash interview positions, backed up by a generous outside broadcasting vehicle area.
· Provision of a large number of high quality toilets adequate both for match days and for events such as concerts where there may be a different mix of spectators.
· Quality medical support facilities for both players and spectators.
· Better facilities for disabled fans.
· Wide concourses and comfortable spatial allowances to ensure easy circulation for spectators.
· An architectural theme that is exciting and innovative in harmony with the surrounding cityscape.
· Clear delineation between spectator and service areas ensuring that service and / or emergency vehicles need never compete with spectators for the same space.
· A hi-tech communications nerve centre to allow for continuous monitoring of all aspects of the stadium, both inside and outside the ground.
· Pitch floodlighting incorporated in the new stands.
· Roof design that makes best use of available sunlight which is as low as physically possible while being compatible with cross-stadium viewing.
This is good news.
Strange the FAI have not deemed it important enough to put on their website yet (but it is on the LRDC site)
Honest! I am not a secret Tim nor a closet Sham - I really am a Seagull.
hopefully there arnt too many objections.
Well done at Merrion Square, the story is now on the website.This is good news.
Strange the FAI have not deemed it important enough to put on their website yet (but it is on the LRDC site)
Honest! I am not a secret Tim nor a closet Sham - I really am a Seagull.
Objections have started already. From today's Indo:
Residents went on the warpath yesterday after discovering Dublin's planned new sports stadium will be one of Europe's tallest.
Local people living in the vicinity of Lansdowne Road saw red after examining the detailed environmental impact report into the project, which includes images of two-storey houses. Croke Park and stadiums in Paris, Barcelona and Cardiff are all lower than that planned for Lansdowne Road. The home of Irish rugby will be 48.5 metres tall, but the Stade de France is 45m, the Nou Camp (Barcelona) is 40m, Croke Park is 35m and the Millennium Stadium in Cardiff is 33m.
The Shelbourne Road Residents' Group said even though these stadiums are lower in height, they have much larger capacity for fans.
They demanded to know why the new stadium will be higher than others with almost twice its capacity. All-seater Lansdowne Road has a proposed capacity of 50,000. Wembley, when it reopens, will be 52m high but will accommodate 90,000. Nou Camp has a capacity of 98,800, Croke Park 82,500, Stade de France 80,000 and the Millennium Stadium, 72,500.
In a statement, the residents, who are to formally object to the proposal, wrote that it will be "one of the highest and most imposing sports stadiums near any city in the world".
Spokesperson Cathy McCartney said: "It is just too big for the area. The area cannot absorb it. . . Why is all this extra height and bulk needed?"
Honest! I am not a secret Tim nor a closet Sham - I really am a Seagull.
For a higher capacity?
I have no day-light in my living room because high apartments were built behind the house. Me and my next door neighbour spend a long time trying to get them to lower the height but Dublin City Council did nothing about it. They better do nothing about the Lansdowne objection so.
50 meters high .. so what.
They can knock all those crappy houses down around it and build high rise apartments. That should level things up
I don't see why were its ranking in the highest stadium in Europe league is relevant. It will either block their light or it won't but don't start this other crap. Eirebhoy, I am comforted by your tale of woe.Get any compensation for it? Of course that's what its all about, they'll want their nice wad of compo cash.
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