Stand up to Politically Correct ticketing

[lopez]

Originally posted by Bosco
I'm laughing at you ireland united.I honestly feel sorry for you.There heve been many stupid posts on this message board but your posts top the lot.

I wish you were so right mate, I really do.

Unfortunately there are loads of people in Ireland that think its great following a foreign team that they have no connection with (lived in the city, parents from the city, relations living in that city etc) or that has no connection with Ireland (Celtic, Hibernian, Dundee United and definitely not Man Ure). The Guinness book of Records lists Man Ure as being the world's best supported club. It also lists them having nearly 100 supporters clubs in Ireland alone (hopefully this includes the North). Look it up yourself. I don't think there are 100 decent sized towns in Ireland. Even the prime minister is Man Ure. What a f*ckin disgrace.

I'd give a ticket to some psycho who's been banned from every ground in Ireland before I'd give a barstool, glory - hunter, never bothered with that League of Ireland ****e 'real fan' a ticket. At least to get barred from Irish football you would have at least to have shown your face at a game at least once.

And what a total load of b*llocks about the 'real fans' supporting English teams. More people support an EL club on Ireland trips than the tan lovers. Look at the flags at games. IrelandUnited, were you one of the thousands that turned up in 1992 to the friendly between Ireland and your beloved tan team wearing a Man Ure shirt? What a proud day to be Irish. Don't know why we bothered getting independence with f*ckers like you and Bertie around.

[IrelandUnited]

Bosco actually has a point and I would repeat that I've been supporting Ireland since the days of Grealish and Martin long before Jack and the "Big Event" followers in 88 to 94 many of whom are gone now if recent attendances are to be taken as a sign so I won't be lectured on barstooling on a national team forum though I do watch United on barstools in pubs playing club football just as the vast majority of Irish football fans do so we are all guilty.

Lopez? Well when I hear about the "tans" I turn off. Something of a rant I'm afraid Lopez and way over the top. You admit the majority are man U but call us all "fcukers" cos we don't pass the test you and the real Irish pose for us. You have a nerve I grant you to judge thousands of your countrymen like that though as I say it is becoming increasingly common. I have not once criticised EL on this thread or have I been nasty to anyone who supports it. I have asked why Man U support do not get equal access and as has been said it is because no proper lobbying. I accept that point.

[Beavis]

Originally posted by lopez
I was referring to our new amigo banging on about how come United/Liverpool/Ipswich Town etc.

Apologies I interpreted this completely wrong.

As regards our Man U fan,he is at least correct in saying that the majority of fans at Landsdowne are indeed like himself and sadly that is the problem with the place these days.You've stumbled into the wrong site I'm afraid,and I don't mean to be harsh but you won't find a soul here to back you up.

Originally posted by Bosco
I was in the south terrace....it was a terrible atmosphere

Yeah as you might have seen we're hoping to do something about that,if your going to the south for the Brazil game do join us.

[Macy]

WUM

[finlma]

I live in England and also support an English club (not Man Ure or Boringpool either) but in no way do I believe that people supporting English clubs should have an equal right to international tickets.
If it wasn't for the EL there's no way we'd have had so much success internationally and these clubs deserve their ticket allocation. I attended all Kilkenny City home games as a youngster and the people that turn up there every week still(despite their position) are far more worthy of tickets for Ireland games.
Do you think people in England that support a Spanish or Italian club should be allocated tickets for England games? Of course not.

Your argument is silly Ireland United.

[tiktok]

Originally posted by IrelandUnited
The discrimination is in that there will be a set aside number of tickets for EL fans whereas Man Utd. fans who, whether you like it or not, ARE the majority get no such preference through they supporters clubs.

Nor should they. Man Utd contribute nothing to the FAI, Irish football fans sitting in a bar watching Man Utd on the telly contribute nothing to the FAI. Man Utd fans travelling to England to watch the at Old traffford don't even contibute to the irish exchequer.

Our national broadcaster (driven by advertising revenues) shows Man Utd regularly while your national league (it is whether you like it or not) received a paltry three games on national TV last year, because of the abundance of Man Utd fans on this Island.

.....by the way, I support Man Utd.

The El allocation served a dual purpose. It organised fans (who, as had been pointed out were attending the games anyway) into a vocal united to lend greater volume to the support of the national team. it also allowed the FAI to show that there was colour and noise and (dare i say it) craic to be had among EL supporters. the hope being that the barstoolers would feel they were missing out (which they are) and go to EL games.

Why do the FAI want people going to EL games I hear you ask. Simple, because the EL is the FAI, El fans contribute week in, week out to the coffers of the FAI and therefore to the grassroots in the game, to training those kids you mention while they wear Man Utd jerseys and dream of playing abroad. There's been debates here on who the real fans are, who deserves tickets etc.

You say you've been going to Ireland games for years, well if that's true, that's why you deserve your ticket, not because you sit in a Pub with a pint in your hand and watch a Man utd game on sky, or because you fork over 300yoyos every three months to travel to Manchester.

There are many people in this country who support Celtic, Man Utd, liverpool or Ipswich. That's fine by me, what annoys me is when they knock the EL without any reason.

And IU, you didn't give any Reasons why the allocation should be discontinued or extended to include united fans, you just whined that there were more of 'you' than there were of 'us'.

[SÓC]

UnitedIreland think of it like this.

If you have a spare few tickets for an Ireland match are you going to give them to

a) your friend/relation who helps you out with money, who pays part of your wages, who will give you the use (for free) of big organised fans groups and all their colour or

b) your English cousin who you see three or for times a year and actually gives money to your rival down the road more than he gives to you.

[republic]

Here we go again....

The vast majority of sports fans in the country have an interest in the Premiership. Quite a few travel to the UK on an intermittent (or more regular basis) to see games. Unfortunately, a significant number of those fans have little or no interest in the eL. Many are not prepared to stand in sub-standard grounds (it would be an insult to call them 'stadiums') watching football which relative to other countries is, at very best, mediocre.

The FAI should be applauded in involving eL fans in the national team. The eL fans have added significantly to the colour and atmosphere at Lansdowne Road on match days and it is only right and proper that the FAI allocate tickets to eL fans in recognition of their support of local soccer.

However to suggest or imply that those who do not support the eL should not receive tickets for international matches is a joke. Many of those who regularly travel abroad supporting the national team do not actively support an eL club. Similarly with the many thousands of block-bookers who have been on the FAI booking scheme for over a decade. Quite a few are more at home in Parkhead than, for instance, the luxurious ( ) surroundings of St Mels Park. Any suggestion that eL supporters should get preference over others is elitism of the worst kind.

[liamon]

Originally posted by IrelandUnited
the "Big Event" followers in 88 to 94 many of whom are gone now if recent attendances are to be taken as a sign

Isn't that the point. Man Utd, Liverpool, etc fans can't be relied upon to turn up regularly. They prefer to sit in a pub, get drunk and shout abuse at the strange box thing in the corner with the moving images.
Why should these people get rewarded with tickets for glamour ties like Brazil/France?

The eL guys go to live games all the time and are more likely to turn up to watch a friendly against the Faroe Islands than any barstooler.

By the way, I'm also a MUFC fan, but don't think that should entitle me to a ticket allocation for FAI games.

[pineapple stu]

Originally posted by IrelandUnited
I am sick and tired of the FAI going along with giving tickets to EL clubs but ignoring the Man Utd. and Liverpool supporters Clubs who represent the vast majority of Irish fans of football. Let's face a few facts:

1) 90% of the kids playing underage dream of playing for United or Liverpool not in the EL. No crime there.

2) 90% of the fans the FAI are happy to have and call the best in the world ane in truth United or Liverpool fans. This may upset some EL hardliners but it is simple truth.

3) Each club has more support in Ireland than all EL clubs combined with United by far the most popular club in Ireland north south east and west. United is not only the country's biggest club by a mile it is also a force for bringing people together. Scratch a Linfield or Bohs fan, an Glentoran or Rovers fan and you usually find a United fan or maybe Liverpool.

4) We should be encouraged cos the Irish fans show that despite all the stereotype thousands of United and Liverpool can actually get on together.

Let's stop the PC nonsense. The huge majority of the people at all Ireland games are United and Liverpool and should not be insulted by the FAI's ticketing arrangements.

Maybe 90% of Irish football fans "support" an English team. This involves going down to the pub and having a quiet chat while occasionally being distracted by what's on the screen. When these people go to an Ireland match, they have a quiet chat while occasionally being distracted by what's on the pitch. The Ireland manager himself noticed this and was among the first to call for an increased amount of eircom Legaue fans to gather at games and improve the atmosphere. And by and large, it's been a success. So the reason eL fans have their grouping is at the behest of Brian Kerr.

But then of course, he was never involved in English football, so what would he know?

[Plastic Paddy]

Jesus, you're all getting hot-headed over something that has a nice easy rationale. (Something that appears to happen rather too often of late, and one of the reasons I've not posted much recently. But I digress.)

There's a simple justification for why fans from eL clubs are allocated tickets when fans of foreign clubs are not. It's because eL clubs are affiliated to the FAI. Simple. It's just how the IRFU allocate many of their tickets, and by encouraging membership of affiliate clubs, makes good marketing sense for all concerned.

The day Manchester United affiliate to the FAI, they'll no doubt have a strong case to apply for a block of tickets. However, their affiliation to the FA of England means that, for now at least, any tickets they do receive for international matches will be for exclusively for England games. End of story.

IrelandUnited, I'm sorry you've taken a bashing from people on here for your view. I don't agree with you personally (I'm a Celtic fan, so don't have a chance of benefitting the way you suggest either), but you do have a right to say what you think without being crucified for it. This otherwise excellent site would be better still if others were sure to respect that.

PP

[Schumi]

Originally posted by republic
The vast majority of sports fans in the country have an interest in the Premiership. Quite a few travel to the UK on an intermittent (or more regular basis) to see games. Unfortunately, a significant number of those fans have little or no interest in the eL. Many are not prepared to stand in sub-standard grounds (it would be an insult to call them 'stadiums') watching football which relative to other countries is, at very best, mediocre.

Well they should be happy to be excluded from a sub-standard Lansdowne Road (it would be an insult to call it a 'stadium') watching football which relative to other countries is, at very best, mediocre.

However to suggest or imply that those who do not support the eL should not receive tickets for international matches is a joke.

Who said that? All that has been said is that supporters' clubs of British teams shouldn't get a ticket allocation.

[lopez]

Originally posted by IrelandUnited
Lopez? Well when I hear about the "tans" I turn off. Something of a rant I'm afraid Lopez and way over the top.

You haven't seen over the top yet. However what do you expect when you post a pile of sh*te. Here, this is what you wrote: 'I am sick and tired of the FAI going along with giving tickets to EL clubs but ignoring the Man Utd. and Liverpool supporters Clubs who represent the vast majority of Irish fans of football.' The FAI ignoring Man U and Liverpool fans? How? What this is about is that you don't feel the need to see your local football in your country because of the 'quality' found abroad - and thus feel aggrieved that the FAI are trying to encourage larger attendances at these clubs - but demand what is to all intents and purposes preferential treatment to see 'quality' football in your country through the national team. Says it all.

Originally posted by IrelandUnited
You admit the majority are man U...

Sorry I admitted no such thing. I said there are loads of you but that in my opinion most Irish fans I've met in 22 years actively follow Ireland support an EL club. They may support in addition a foreign team due to the brainwashing they get from down market British rags masquerading as Irish tabloid newspapers but that's another thing. A foreign club's supporters may have outnumbered Irish fans at a friendly a decade ago but then the tickets for that game weren't distributed through EL clubs.

Originally posted by IrelandUnited
...but call us all "fcukers" cos we don't pass the test you and the real Irish pose for us.

I don't see much of the EL clubs but I have seen some great games. Sligo Rovers away to Bruges in 1994 was brilliant. Derry City away to Cardiff City in 1988 was also tops. Both games where the supposedly inferior League of Ireland excelled itself. I've seen some good Cork and Cobh games. I've seen some dire ones. While the likes of Man Ure with huge financial clout will find no difficulty dealing with any EL team, the quality of football is often in the marketing. Thanks to the attraction of English football, no Irish club has a quality ground to host internationals when and if Lansdowne Road is refurbished. I see on another thread that you mock the FAI's need to go abroad. Well it's not through their own choice. The vast majority of football associations in Europe do not own the ground their national team plays on. They all belong to clubs - limited companies mostly - or the government or private institutions, and the FA hires them out. Thanks to the attraction of football, the FAI have to fill the void left between a poorly attended league and a successful national team through money better spent on a regional football academy for promising youngsters.

Originally posted by IrelandUnited
You have a nerve I grant you to judge thousands of your countrymen like that though as I say it is becoming increasingly common.

Originally posted by IrelandUnited
I have not once criticised EL on this thread or have I been nasty to anyone who supports it. I have asked why Man U support do not get equal access and as has been said it is because no proper lobbying. I accept that point.

I refer you to the above quote from your first post which you may well don't remember posting.

BTW. I asked a question which you have failed to answer. Who did you support when Ireland played Man Ure at Lansdowne Road on August 9 1992?

[republic]

Originally posted by Schumi
Well they should be happy to be excluded from a sub-standard Lansdowne Road (it would be an insult to call it a 'stadium') watching football which relative to other countries is, at very best, mediocre.

Who said that? All that has been said is that supporters' clubs of British teams shouldn't get a ticket allocation.

Re: Lansdowne. It is not international standard and hasn't been for some time. It needs to be re-developed or a new stadium built elsewhere. The sooner the better.


Re. Ticket allocation. Agree that ManU, Liverpool, Arsenal etc supporters clubs should not be entitled to tickets. However eL supporters should not automatically receive tickets ahead of those who are not active eL supporters. The majority of block-bookers I know do not support the eL and only have a passing interest in it. Similarly with many of those who travel abroad to support the national team. Sad but true.

[tiktok]

Originally posted by republic
Re. Ticket allocation. Agree that ManU, Liverpool, Arsenal etc supporters clubs should not be entitled to tickets. However eL supporters should not automatically receive tickets ahead of those who are not active eL supporters

They don't republic, and we're no-one here has said they should. We don't want to go down the 'Real Fan' road again.

The EL fans have been allocated a relatively small number of tickets for the North terrace. They are not doing any block booker out of a ticket. As has been said many times before, the EL fans are people who were already attending games, but now stick together on the North terrace in an organised fashion to create greater vocal support.

[republic]

Originally posted by tiktok
The EL fans have been allocated a relatively small number of tickets for the North terrace. They are not doing any block booker out of a ticket. As has been said many times before, the EL fans are people who were already attending games, but now stick together on the North terrace in an organised fashion to create greater vocal support.

As I said previously, the eL fans have brought much needed colour and atmosphere into Lansdowne on match day. Well done to them and congrats to the FAI for the initiative to involve them at a greater level.

[IrelandUnited]

Lopez to answer your question I would not support united instead of ireland. I won't ask you if you support your club instead of the national team since answers to such questions establish nothing.

It's the same old same old in Ireland. Some of us cannot or will not accept the reality of the country we live in.

The red tops masquerading as Irish papers are in fact willingly bought by hundreds of thousands. Bad taste perhaps but no one forces them.

Most of us look abroad for quality football. Irksome for the patriots among us but nonetheless the democratic free choice of the people.

An Irish Indo article today said that 80% of the Irish have positive feelings toward England. a good thing and a sign of maturity and willingness to accept who we are which is a country intimately linked to England which avidly devours English culture from magazines to sit coms, from football to horse racing and with some exceptions is wholly happy with that.

I realise some people might be uneasy about this and in my younger days I would have been more inclined to moan but why not be open with ourselves and stop the "us" good "Brits" bad tan hating stuff when the daily behaviour of the Irish people reveals it means nothing to them. The alternative is to be a little bitter group talking to ourselves.

[Neil]

Originally posted by IrelandUnited
Lopez to answer your question I would not support united instead of ireland. I won't ask you if you support your club instead of the national team since answers to such questions establish nothing.

It's the same old same old in Ireland. Some of us cannot or will not accept the reality of the country we live in.

The red tops masquerading as Irish papers are in fact willingly bought by hundreds of thousands. Bad taste perhaps but no one forces them.

Most of us look abroad for quality football. Irksome for the patriots among us but nonetheless the democratic free choice of the people.

An Irish Indo article today said that 80% of the Irish have positive feelings toward England. a good thing and a sign of maturity and willingness to accept who we are which is a country intimately linked to England which avidly devours English culture from magazines to sit coms, from football to horse racing and with some exceptions is wholly happy with that.

I realise some people might be uneasy about this and in my younger days I would have been more inclined to moan but why not be open with ourselves and stop the "us" good "Brits" bad tan hating stuff when the daily behaviour of the Irish people reveals it means nothing to them. The alternative is to be a little bitter group talking to ourselves.

What's your point???

[IrelandUnited]

My point is very simple Neil. I expressed a view that man U supporters clubs ( I am in one) should be treated as equals to EL supporters for tickets.

Controversial I admit and some of the lads replied with thoughtful responses that i think hold water. However lopez started on the Tan support thing and the barstool baiting snobbery which so many man u fans (who are numbered in thousands) have to listen to from some unrepresentative zealots. I was asked why we had bothered getting independence as if that has anything to do with who you support.

I'm simply pointing out that that kind of attitude simply does not fit with modern Ireland and is to be regretted. If we follow that Little irelandism logic to its depressing conclusion we might as well pack it in.

[lopez]

Originally posted by IrelandUnited
Lopez to answer your question I would not support united instead of ireland.

Great! You wore a green shirt that day while thousands others wore red.

Originally posted by IrelandUnited
It's the same old same old in Ireland. Some of us cannot or will not accept the reality of the country we live in.

Oh, we've come to 'accept' it. Problem is we want to see a successful Irish football club in Europe (if not clubs) instead of a successful foreign club.

Originally posted by IrelandUnited
The red tops masquerading as Irish papers are in fact willingly bought by hundreds of thousands. Bad taste perhaps but no one forces them.

Bad taste sells.

Originally posted by IrelandUnited
Most of us look abroad for quality football. Irksome for the patriots among us but nonetheless the democratic free choice of the people.

Democratic of course, but don't expect the FAI to sit back and watch the local game die for your democratic right to watch foreign football. By looking abroad for 'quality football' there is the perpetuation of a vicious cycle leading to the destruction of the local game. You complained about having 'seen my association trawl England for grannies and a stadium to play in' and yet by putting money into the foreign game you are leaving the FAI no choice. Which would you rather see, a poor Irish team that from your aversion to local football you would not bother watching, or a half decent Irish team including a couple of players with tenuous Irish connections, some of whom may play for Man Ure or Liverpool?

Originally posted by IrelandUnited
An Irish Indo article today said that 80% of the Irish have positive feelings toward England. a good thing and a sign of maturity and willingness to accept who we are which is a country intimately linked to England which avidly devours English culture from magazines to sit coms, from football to horse racing and with some exceptions is wholly happy with that.

The same is largely returned in Britain and having an Irish accent is far more advantageous now than in the late seventies and early eighties, and I know personally that Irish dancing is now strongly made up of participants with no Irish connections. Quite what this has to do with you insisting that the FAI cease giving advantages (and by the sound of things there hardly that advantageous) to supporters of the local game is lost on me.

I take it you object to the use of the word 'tans'. Well maybe when the footballing public of that nation can come to Dublin without smashing up our stadium - despite that is exactly what is needed - then I will be a bit more PC (ironic or what?). Oh and spare me the 'it's only a minority line' which is more cr*p. This isn't being anti-English, which is brought up every time I dare mention the subject. As you can see I still live in the country of my own free will which suggests that I must like it, and most of its people, quite a bit.