Tipp South & District League 2009/10

**balls** · 18/10/2009, 6:40 PM

town playing poor and winning 4-0 decent compaint to have. not looking good for the bridge this season. stuck in 3 way battle with cahir and borris for survival

**Tipp Top** · 19/10/2009, 11:45 AM

Originally Posted by Freddy

Was talking to a few lads i know from cashel, it's true the manager is gone alright. They didn't go into too much detail about it but i got the impression they weren't too dissapointed with his departure! I wouldn't really like to comment on it as our own club has had it's difficulties with managment also..what club doesn't?? The only thing i will sat though is that i feel sorry for the players who would have obviously put in a lot of effort during pre-season and over the years to get back to the Premier. It's not very fair on them when their manager, who is supposed to lead by example, walks out on them half-way through the season. Hopefully they can get a replacement with a bit more loyalty and commitment to the players.

Freddy i am really dissapointed with this comment out of you when clearly you dont know the full side of the story. Glenn was the person who was crucial in getting the club back to the premier league. Your Quote of loyalty and commitment is crazy if you knew anything about cashel you would know glenn has being involved in the club for a very long time now and being involved with teams of all ages at the club. He had no other option but to step down at the way he was being treated by the committe and some of the players....Its amazing what happens to the heads of certain players and committe members when success comes about at a club.. 90% of the players would still love for glenn to be manager and so does anyone who knows whats good for the club. Cashel wont get a more loyal and committed manager no matter how far and wide they look.

**Insidetherock** · 19/10/2009, 12:31 PM

Originally Posted by Tipp Top

Freddy i am really dissapointed with this comment out of you when clearly you dont know the full side of the story. Glenn was the person who was crucial in getting the club back to the premier league. Your Quote of loyalty and commitment is crazy if you knew anything about cashel you would know glenn has being involved in the club for a very long time now and being involved with teams of all ages at the club. He had no other option but to step down at the way he was being treated by the committe and some of the players....Its amazing what happens to the heads of certain players and committe members when success comes about at a club.. 90% of the players would still love for glenn to be manager and so does anyone who knows whats good for the club. Cashel wont get a more loyal and committed manager no matter how far and wide they look.

Pretty much on the button there TT... it's a pity really, the club had a very successful return to the Premiership, and had a few results gone their way eg draws at Rock and Cahir instead of wins, they could even be looked at as possible title challengers, but two 5-0 defeats on the bounce could mean a long season yet for us. I hope not.

**zizu's head** · 19/10/2009, 1:06 PM

Originally Posted by Insidetherock

Pretty much on the button there TT... it's a pity really, the club had a very successful return to the Premiership, and had a few results gone their way eg draws at Rock and Cahir instead of wins, they could even be looked at as possible title challengers, but two 5-0 defeats on the bounce could mean a long season yet for us. I hope not.

What exactly happened as regards the Cashel manager stepping down/being forced out??

**Insidetherock** · 19/10/2009, 2:41 PM

Originally Posted by zizu's head

What exactly happened as regards the Cashel manager stepping down/being forced out??

To be honest Zizu, a public forum isn't the place to discuss it. Needless to say, either way, the best interests of the club are what all involved, including Glen so far as I know, have in mind. We would be better off congratulating the B team for winning the Third division Shield yesterday.

**zizu's head** · 19/10/2009, 3:13 PM

Originally Posted by Insidetherock

To be honest Zizu, a public forum isn't the place to discuss it. Needless to say, either way, the best interests of the club are what all involved, including Glen so far as I know, have in mind.

That's fair enough. Didn't really think that through!!!

**CashelMan** · 19/10/2009, 4:40 PM

Originally Posted by Tipp Top

Freddy i am really dissapointed with this comment out of you when clearly you dont know the full side of the story. Glenn was the person who was crucial in getting the club back to the premier league. Your Quote of loyalty and commitment is crazy if you knew anything about cashel you would know glenn has being involved in the club for a very long time now and being involved with teams of all ages at the club. He had no other option but to step down at the way he was being treated by the committe and some of the players....Its amazing what happens to the heads of certain players and committe members when success comes about at a club.. 90% of the players would still love for glenn to be manager and so does anyone who knows whats good for the club. Cashel wont get a more loyal and committed manager no matter how far and wide they look.

Im going to have to disagree with you on alot of those points TT and say that i know alot of the story.Glenn played a small part in getting the club back to the premier,the main ingredient in getting them back to the premier was the quality of players that he had.anybody could have done what he did.you could go as far as to say that they did not even need a manager in the lower leagues because the quality of players they have and the opposition is pretty poor.
Glenns strong points was that he had good commitment and loyality but as for his soccer knowledge and people skills it is pretty poor.in a few games this year and from watching from the line a few things were going wrong and things needed to be done but nothing was happening from the sideline.i think he fell out with too many people and players and because of this was the reason for his own demise.i wont go into exact situations but there is many.
i can also say from talking to alot of the players they would not like to have him back.i think they need a strong manager,maybe somebody from outside the club who doesnt know the players.someone with soccer knowledge and know how and when the right changes need to be made you make them.there are plenty of managers out there that would love to come in and manage a premier team.cashel will have to either look hard for one or someone comes knocking on the door...i wish them all the best in their search

**Insidetherock** · 19/10/2009, 9:15 PM

Originally Posted by CashelMan

Im going to have to disagree with you on alot of those points TT and say that i know alot of the story.Glenn played a small part in getting the club back to the premier,the main ingredient in getting them back to the premier was the quality of players that he had.anybody could have done what he did.you could go as far as to say that they did not even need a manager in the lower leagues because the quality of players they have and the opposition is pretty poor.
Glenns strong points was that he had good commitment and loyality but as for his soccer knowledge and people skills it is pretty poor.in a few games this year and from watching from the line a few things were going wrong and things needed to be done but nothing was happening from the sideline.i think he fell out with too many people and players and because of this was the reason for his own demise.i wont go into exact situations but there is many.
i can also say from talking to alot of the players they would not like to have him back.i think they need a strong manager,maybe somebody from outside the club who doesnt know the players.someone with soccer knowledge and know how and when the right changes need to be made you make them.there are plenty of managers out there that would love to come in and manage a premier team.cashel will have to either look hard for one or someone comes knocking on the door...i wish them all the best in their search

Again Cashel Man, I'd ask that much of what is happening in the club be kept in house, as it is very easy to take sides and present the situation from whichever viewpoint someone feels suits their own perspective.

I would agree that Cashel do have very good players, and yes, they were playing in lower divisions, but perhaps not enough credit is given in your post for Glen actually assembling that group of players, because as you know one of Cashel's biggest problems over the years has been the fact that many of the towns best players choose for one reason or another not to play with the local club. Even this season Cashel added some strong players to their squad, and were unfortunate perhaps to not strengthen it even more when Rosegreen decided at the last minute to put a team into the first division.

Be that as it may though, the fact remains that whether people agree or disagree with the way the club was managed up to now this year, Cashel do already have 11 points in the league, and have shown up to the last two games, that they have the players who when they play to their strenghts, are capable of surviving in the division. It would be a terrible pity if all that good work was wasted now by infighting, bickering and gossiping, and the club was to slide backwards again. It's time now to move on and rally round and pick up probably 5 or 6 more points to ensure survival, and then worry about who will be in charge next year.

**CashelMan** · 20/10/2009, 1:19 PM

Originally Posted by Insidetherock

Again Cashel Man, I'd ask that much of what is happening in the club be kept in house, as it is very easy to take sides and present the situation from whichever viewpoint someone feels suits their own perspective.

I would agree that Cashel do have very good players, and yes, they were playing in lower divisions, but perhaps not enough credit is given in your post for Glen actually assembling that group of players, because as you know one of Cashel's biggest problems over the years has been the fact that many of the towns best players choose for one reason or another not to play with the local club. Even this season Cashel added some strong players to their squad, and were unfortunate perhaps to not strengthen it even more when Rosegreen decided at the last minute to put a team into the first division.

Be that as it may though, the fact remains that whether people agree or disagree with the way the club was managed up to now this year, Cashel do already have 11 points in the league, and have shown up to the last two games, that they have the players who when they play to their strenghts, are capable of surviving in the division. It would be a terrible pity if all that good work was wasted now by infighting, bickering and gossiping, and the club was to slide backwards again. It's time now to move on and rally round and pick up probably 5 or 6 more points to ensure survival, and then worry about who will be in charge next year.

Rock i agree and have said that Glenns strong points is his commitment and loyality.but his loyality and commitment to the club now is,i think,ruined.the way he left was not the sign of a proper manager or a committed person to the club.and i know that alot of the players arent happy about that either.i think it should have been done a different way and if it was he would have gone out with a bit more respect.thats just my view.i do not play myself but am a keen follower and go to every game that i can.but from lookin from the outside i think it is better for the club all round.

and i agree its time to get the thing back on track and to survive this year and build on the next.

**Freddy** · 20/10/2009, 4:25 PM

I didnt mean to step on any toes regarding the issue Rock..obviously the Cashel manager leaving is a sore issue for the club as a whole. Im just trying to offer an outside, objective viewpoint. Obviously the manager did a lot for the club in getting back players and getting them up through the divisions etc. My main point is, and i think im right, is that credit where credit is due (i.e. getting players,building the team etc), but also you have to be analytically critical also when looking at the situation,,no matter what club is involved in the discussion! Its completely disrespectful for any manager to abandon his team mid-way through their first Premier season in years. A manager is supposed to lead by example etc. I know you said a few players left or were unhappy and this was part of his reason for departing. But, in my opinion, he is no better than them for then leaving himself. He should have stuck with his players for remainder of this season and then left if he so wished. Also, i still stand by the view that alot of your players are quite happy he has left, as other posts have indicated. Im really not trying to be bitter here, but you have to realise that in order to be a top club in this division you at least need a good manager. And you have to admit that your ex-manager had no genuine experience whatsoever other than his previous endevours in the lower divisions in the previous years. To be a top club, your manager should be striving to better himself as well as his team, i.e. - gaining coaching badges etc. Was your ex-manager doing this. At the end of the day, your team is a fine team,,and a good team doesnt become a bad team overnight! But a ggod team can easily be held back and become quite an average team if they are being managed by an average manager with no real experience - Fact! Really, it's like holding the keys to a treaure trove of possibilites,,but being unable to use the keys properly and thus failing to unlock the full potential on offer. In other words,,i think with a proper manager your team can achieve an awful lot more. In response to an early post that claimed it would be difficult to find a better manager than what Cashel had already i strongly disagree! How hard is it to find someone that wants to manage a Premier team, full of young, good players, that has experience and know how? Your club needs to further its horizon regarding this issue!

**West Hammer** · 20/10/2009, 9:09 PM

As we are talking about Managers leaving. I hear Clonmel Town B failed to field a team last Sunday as the manager has just walked away. Club asked for time from Tommy Lewis to sort things out, of coarse he said no. Are my facts right or wrong! Maybe FREDDY can tell us what happened.

**maxwellsmart** · 20/10/2009, 9:14 PM

Originally Posted by Tipp Top

Well if its disrespectful i appologise But my point is that a team that are ment to be competing to win The TSDL (which is a superior league to NTDL) should be beating a team from the NTDL. Now as for your comment about appearing on foot this season Its a website that people can come on and join whenever they want and they dont have to ask for your permission. As it is clear to see you only popped up on this site at the start of last season yourself so dont go giving me your high and mighty rubbish. We are all entitled to our opinion on this site and if we were all to agree on everything their wouldnt be much point on being on here.
You seem to be brushing off that cashel could mount a genuine challenge in the next 2 seasons which is madness as Clonmel Town are prob going to be rebuilding over the next season or two and Peake seem to be in freefall again according to quotes on this site So the league is wide open for anyone to win it this year.

Looks like you counted your chickens too soon my friend...Peake Villa and Town both above Cashel in the table and cashel in absolute disarray. I also notice that Nenagh Celtic who you were so dismissive of ,are going well in North Tipp.Its amazing the way people get carried away with themselves at the start of the season based on their own bias rather than their knowledge of the game

**bad bhob** · 21/10/2009, 11:08 AM

Originally Posted by West Hammer

As we are talking about Managers leaving. I hear Clonmel Town B failed to field a team last Sunday as the manager has just walked away. Club asked for time from Tommy Lewis to sort things out, of coarse he said no. Are my facts right or wrong! Maybe FREDDY can tell us what happened.

yea, there seems to be a prob at town b at the moment , they were meant to play bansha this weekend but that has been changed , they now play wilderness with bansha playing saints b
saints man j maguire is reffing this fixture yet again !!!!!!!!!!

**ronburgundy** · 21/10/2009, 1:30 PM

does anyone know when the town v peake munster game is on? should be a good 1

**celticlads** · 21/10/2009, 1:52 PM

Originally Posted by maxwellsmart

Looks like you counted your chickens too soon my friend...Peake Villa and Town both above Cashel in the table and cashel in absolute disarray. I also notice that Nenagh Celtic who you were so dismissive of ,are going well in North Tipp.Its amazing the way people get carried away with themselves at the start of the season based on their own bias rather than their knowledge of the game

this thing that Peake should be beating a team from North Tipp might be settled this Sunday as they are coming to Nenagh to play Nenagh town. It should be a good game but i hope the Villa come out on top

**Mega Tots** · 21/10/2009, 3:15 PM

ron is fully aware of when the fixture with peake and town is,it should be a very interesting game for a variety of reasons

**Tipp Top** · 21/10/2009, 3:38 PM

Originally Posted by maxwellsmart

Looks like you counted your chickens too soon my friend...Peake Villa and Town both above Cashel in the table and cashel in absolute disarray. I also notice that Nenagh Celtic who you were so dismissive of ,are going well in North Tipp.Its amazing the way people get carried away with themselves at the start of the season based on their own bias rather than their knowledge of the game

Im well able to count my chickens. Clearly you must have a literacy problem as i said that we would challenge for a title in the next 2 years. Yes our club's league for isn't perfect Thats clear for all to see Yes Neangh Celtic are doing well in their respective league but as i have said before i dont rate the NTDL and still feel that most of the teams in the TSDL would win the NTDL league.

**West Hammer** · 25/10/2009, 6:02 PM

Anyone know why Clonmel Town F.A.I game called off?

**ponyobrien** · 26/10/2009, 11:18 AM

Originally Posted by West Hammer

Anyone know why Clonmel Town F.A.I game called off?

They were given a walkover during the week

**useless** · 27/10/2009, 7:20 AM

Will Rosegreen get the same stick on here as Rock Rovers got when they had to give a walk over to Clonmel Town a couple of weeks back.Or is it different rules for different clubs.