Cork AUL 2009/10

[MainManRam]

Passage 2 Springfield 1

All credit to passage today give us a good game- we were not at the races at all today- never even came out of the changing room to be honest. Passage went 1-0 up in the first half and we were chasing from there. They broke late on to make it 2-0. We scored with only a couple of minutes to play but just could not get an equalizer.
We had no complaints with the result Passage were better on the day and best of luck to them for the rest of the competition.
Not a great result for us heading into the big game next week but a timely wake call for us and we need to get our feet back on the ground and re-organize for next week.

[LeedsPk]

Have to agree TheRock - Pearse were more hungry i felt! We didnt turn up and i felt perhaps some of our players used the pitch as an excuse for poor performances!! I know the keeper for Pearse from Hibs before! He made a big difference to Pearse - knowing you have a solid keeper behind you can make all the difference and give a team confidence!! Pearse were direct and up for the game - makes things interesting again in the Premier A!!

we were beaten 3-2 out there today, greenwood scored in injury time. could have went either way to be honest. that pitch is a joke- ther is a giant hole in the middle if it, u wudnt want to try and pass the ball out ther- it didnt suit us at all

brings us bak down to earth after 2 league wins- still not sure if we are in a tittle race, fighting for promotion or fighting for relegation- the strangest league iv ever been involved in.

shambo and ollie holland got our goals

[donaldihno]

we were beaten 3-2 out there today, greenwood scored in injury time. could have went either way to be honest. that pitch is a joke- ther is a giant hole in the middle if it, u wudnt want to try and pass the ball out ther- it didnt suit us at all

brings us bak down to earth after 2 league wins- still not sure if we are in a tittle race, fighting for promotion or fighting for relegation- the strangest league iv ever been involved in.

shambo and ollie holland got our goals

Totally agree with you leeds park,pitch is a joke!!And any of the 9 teams can still finsh in the top2!1 win and your up there and 1 loss your back down!!ballyvolane drew!!any report owl

[the owl]

Ballyvolane 1 Castleview 1

Cant believe we drew this one. I thought we totally dominated this game and had chance after chance. Were 1 up up for the majority of the game and although Castleview had one or two chances they scored with a deflected goal with about 10 mins left. Bitterly dissappointed today but to be fair to C/view they kept going and got their reward.
Like everyone else, i agree that this league will down to the wire. Everyone dropping points.

[the owl]

Where is Greenwoods pitch ?

[super_mario]

Any fixtures up yet?????

[LeedsPk]

Where is Greenwoods pitch ?

Clashduv- across from lidl in togher, pearse play ther as well. u pass it to a fella's feet and it lands at ther neck.

[Horse24]

We deserved to be beaten by Pearse yesterday. They came out of the traps like they were on fire! Our first defeat since mid November, and only the second game from about 20 this season, where I feel we didnt turn up. Pitch wasnt the best, but it wasnt the dip in the pitch, as much as the game which finished 20 minutes before us that made it tough.

I was writing this post in my head before Phil Dowd today. In the professional game, they must get technology involved.That would have been to video ref and back before peno was taken. He didnt even book Vidic, but booked Collins 3 mins later for same tackle. How it refers to our game yesterday is the inconsistency and the after game discussion.

During the infamous weekend a few games ago with the one ref and his 20 yellows and 5 reds in 2 games, our guy received his second yellow for kicking the ball away. Yesterday, it was the 6th offence before he took out his yellow. We told him after 3 that it wouldnt stop unless he took out his card, but on it went. (Again, I must point out Pearse were very worthy winners). Our guy is down €25. Thats about 15% of a dole payment.

The second one involves the same ref earlier in the season. He sent off our keeper for "attempted" headbutt, and booked one of the opposition yesterday for kicking out at one of our players.

The third incident yesterday involved a deliberate handball. The ref acknowledged the offence and waved play on correctly as we had the ball. However, he didnt return to book the player. We enquired and were told that you dont have to book a player for deliberate handball. Outside a goal scoring opportunity, it is at the refs discretion. This is not how I understand the rule - does anyone else have information that can clarify it for me?

The two points that I want to bring from it are 1) Inconsistent referring is what drives people crazy. We dont know what is an offence one day and what isnt the next. 2) Martin O Neill will be able to ring the head of the refs in the Premier League tomorrow and get some satisfaction - no medal, but some satisfaction at least. The ref will have his error pointed out to him, which will make him a better ref and therefore improve the game. We have no such pathway. Yes, we can go through our league, but, surely it would work better if there was some pathway directly between the teams and the refs. It can only be better all around - improve the refs, get them more respect.

The inconsistency of decisions within a game frustrates a player, he moans and is down a fiver. Yet next week the ref will make the same error, becuase no-one has pointed it out to him. The assessors cant be everywhere.They are not amateur officials, they are on 40 quid or more for 2 hours work. We pay the money, we should have some say in it.

WE KNOW THE LEAGUE AND THE REFS ARE READING. LETS BE THE PIONEERS.LETS SET A SYSTEM UP THAT ALL THE OTHER LEAGUES IN THE COUNTRY WILL FOLLOW.

Two points for the Prem A boys on this blog:

1) The card said €48 for the ref yesterday - the AUL told me last week it should be €42. What did ye pay this morning, owl?

2) We are 2 points from promotion and two points from relegation..........there will be no early buying of champers for anyone in our division!!!

[Horse24]

I forgot to ask if anyone has spoken to their club secretary about co-signing our application for a rule change regarding the withdrawal of teams mid season?

[junglegym]

Coachford 0-1 Grattan
No Report yet Littleman or are you just waiting to size me up.
We were down to 10 men after approx. 25 mins due to 2 yellow cards.And for a team that are finding it hard to score at this stage we'd have probably settled for 0-0. After about 60mins Grattan had two sent to the line, One for a second yellow and the other for kicking the ball at one of our players directly after this incident. Big turnaround in our favour (you'd think), The 9 men of Grattan came at us looking for that winning goal and got it after Figo had a Rory Delap moment which caught out our defence and Keith got a toe poke to lead 1-0.
Grattan as a team at the moment are winning week in week out whereas we'd have probably settled for a draw. Maybe this was the difference.When your in that kind of form it's hard to knock that confidence. After a very hard and physical fought game we were left with nothing. That is very hard to take but we have to keep positive. 8pts from 10 games is certainly not good enough to gain Premier status next year but we have to keep battling. Heres to next week already....
Just saw the fixtures Whopeeeeeee

[TheRock]

we were beaten 3-2 out there today, greenwood scored in injury time. could have went either way to be honest. that pitch is a joke- ther is a giant hole in the middle if it, u wudnt want to try and pass the ball out ther- it didnt suit us at all

brings us bak down to earth after 2 league wins- still not sure if we are in a tittle race, fighting for promotion or fighting for relegation- the strangest league iv ever been involved in.

shambo and ollie holland got our goals

That was the 4th game since saturday morning played on the pitch so even with the obvious hole the middle it was pretty cut up, just like any other pitch would be after 4 games in a short period time.

Thought greenwood deserved it all the same. 5 wins in Feb, who would have thought !?!

[TheRock]

Correction: 4 wins for Greenwood; Pearce, Castleview, Passage, Leeds.

[Radiostar]

We deserved to be beaten by Pearse yesterday. They came out of the traps like they were on fire! Our first defeat since mid November, and only the second game from about 20 this season, where I feel we didnt turn up. Pitch wasnt the best, but it wasnt the dip in the pitch, as much as the game which finished 20 minutes before us that made it tough.

I was writing this post in my head before Phil Dowd today. In the professional game, they must get technology involved.That would have been to video ref and back before peno was taken. He didnt even book Vidic, but booked Collins 3 mins later for same tackle. How it refers to our game yesterday is the inconsistency and the after game discussion.

During the infamous weekend a few games ago with the one ref and his 20 yellows and 5 reds in 2 games, our guy received his second yellow for kicking the ball away. Yesterday, it was the 6th offence before he took out his yellow. We told him after 3 that it wouldnt stop unless he took out his card, but on it went. (Again, I must point out Pearse were very worthy winners). Our guy is down €25. Thats about 15% of a dole payment.

The second one involves the same ref earlier in the season. He sent off our keeper for "attempted" headbutt, and booked one of the opposition yesterday for kicking out at one of our players.

The third incident yesterday involved a deliberate handball. The ref acknowledged the offence and waved play on correctly as we had the ball. However, he didnt return to book the player. We enquired and were told that you dont have to book a player for deliberate handball. Outside a goal scoring opportunity, it is at the refs discretion. This is not how I understand the rule - does anyone else have information that can clarify it for me?

The two points that I want to bring from it are 1) Inconsistent referring is what drives people crazy. We dont know what is an offence one day and what isnt the next. 2) Martin O Neill will be able to ring the head of the refs in the Premier League tomorrow and get some satisfaction - no medal, but some satisfaction at least. The ref will have his error pointed out to him, which will make him a better ref and therefore improve the game. We have no such pathway. Yes, we can go through our league, but, surely it would work better if there was some pathway directly between the teams and the refs. It can only be better all around - improve the refs, get them more respect.

The inconsistency of decisions within a game frustrates a player, he moans and is down a fiver. Yet next week the ref will make the same error, becuase no-one has pointed it out to him. The assessors cant be everywhere.They are not amateur officials, they are on 40 quid or more for 2 hours work. We pay the money, we should have some say in it.

WE KNOW THE LEAGUE AND THE REFS ARE READING. LETS BE THE PIONEERS.LETS SET A SYSTEM UP THAT ALL THE OTHER LEAGUES IN THE COUNTRY WILL FOLLOW.

Two points for the Prem A boys on this blog:

1) The card said €48 for the ref yesterday - the AUL told me last week it should be €42. What did ye pay this morning, owl?

2) We are 2 points from promotion and two points from relegation..........there will be no early buying of champers for anyone in our division!!!

Horse it sounds like ye hound the ref to get other guys booked or sent off. The refs are only amatuer and the fact he is on his own in the game makes it harder. All we can ask from a referee be he good or bad, is that he is fair and that any call he has to make should be the same for both teams.
Once this happens nobody can complain.

[olachico]

[QUOTE=Radiostar;1327320]Horse it sounds like ye hound the ref to get other guys booked or sent off. The refs are only amatuer and the fact he is on his own in the game makes it harder. All we can ask from a referee be he good or bad, is that he is fair and that any call he has to make should be the same for both teams.
Once this happens nobody can complain.[/QUOTE

That is in fact wrong Radiostar - we hound the ref for fairness and consistency!!! We dont want oppostion players booked and sent off for silly things no more than we want our own players sent off or booked!

[BigfeetBigsocks]

The third incident yesterday involved a deliberate handball. The ref acknowledged the offence and waved play on correctly as we had the ball. However, he didnt return to book the player. We enquired and were told that you dont have to book a player for deliberate handball. Outside a goal scoring opportunity, it is at the refs discretion. This is not how I understand the rule - does anyone else have information that can clarify it for me?

Well your actually wrong on this one, a deliberate handball isn't an automatic yellow card/red card depends on situation.

[super_mario]

We lost what i described as a relegation 6 pointer yesterday 3-2, i was embarrassed to be involved. We only had 10 men. Our senior team took 2 players off us were meant to have 3 i think. How does that work?? Ridiculous, we could get relegated now, over people flexing their muscles with us. On the field their flying and im delighted for all my buddies i played with last season and this season, and for years before it, but off it, its embarrassing, i was ashamed turning up sunday to a game of that importance with ten men. First time it happened me, wont be happening again

Surely the players who went and played the senior game have a lot to answer for here?? Fair enough its nice to play senior but not half way through a season and when it has huge consequences on the team they played with all season and leave there so called friends fighting to field a team. Disgraceful is the only word that comes to mind

[littleman]

Hello Junglegym,please excuse me for not posting a match report but Id normally leave it for 3 or 4 days so i can have a good think about what happened durin the game,but ur match report was a refreshingly honest fair view of how it went,an I muct commend you on it.

On the issue with the refs I have some sympathy for Hosre,an he dose put across a good argument,an indeed a good possible solution.But somethings are part an parcel of the game.Pitchs are not all good,some are terrible an we still
have to get on with it,facilities go the same route.Yet the only option we have is to send in a letter to the leagur Secretary an they will try to attend to the matter.Thats about as far as ya can go ,as frustration as it is.



It was my buddy Rob who was originally asked to the Grattan job,he then asked me if I would be interested in me an him doin it 50/50.We agreed an the main thing we wanted to improve was not the football,but the attitudes of the players,towards the refs,themselves an the club.It was easy but in 5 of our 10 league games we didnt get one yellow,not one.Now its not all plain sailing cause we had 2 reds over the weekend but in general we only picked up 1 or 2 in the other 5 games.

A major part of changing the attitude of the players was to explain to them that if they play the way they can, an do the basic things properly then they will decrease the amount of times they will put themselves in the position where they have to conceed a foul an maybe a yellow(thats what it says in the book im readin anyhow) .But all jokes aside it can work an it dose for us.


Horse,or indeed anyone else.Stop an ask yourself if you were to be honest an think about it, the amount of yellows picked up for mouthin an stuipd fouls greatly out weighs the amount of petty ones handed out by refs.The refs may not be perfect,but neither are we.

[olachico]

When Bella says senior he means their better second division team!! They dont have a team playing senior league!! Its a difficult one really to balance!! Surely thr priority in the club should be the first team but not to the detriment of the second team though

[Horse24]

Horse it sounds like ye hound the ref to get other guys booked or sent off. The refs are only amatuer and the fact he is on his own in the game makes it harder. All we can ask from a referee be he good or bad, is that he is fair and that any call he has to make should be the same for both teams.
Once this happens nobody can complain.

Radio, I can see how us asking him 6 times may sound like a hounding, but as Oli pointed out, all we are looking for is consistency. As I said we had a guy get his second yellow in a recent game for kicking the ball away. No qualms, but 3 mins later same thing happened to one of their guys on a yellow - nothing.

The first two indcidents yesterday caused no harm really and they shouldnt have been booked, but is it a rule or not? Our guy is down 15% of his dole and he missed a game, whereas others arent down money or missing games.

If they get paid for what they do - are they amateur?

Thanks for the rule clarification Socks - I was unaware of that. Does it strenghten my point for more communication with the refs society? I must clarify that i dont want it to be all one way. Maybe, during discussions with them we can come up with something to deter lines who constantly get involved with the ref?

Littleman, you make a good point regarding the bookings. The fines rule was brought in to deter dissent etc, and I 100% agree with it. So, lets just fine for dissent. Let the other bookings be without fines and carry them for suspensions as normal. Refs make mistakes, but its us who pay for them. I do believe if we protect the refs more, then we will get more refs in. Thats what scares most people.

[littleman]

Ya see Horse all ur points are good an make perfect sense.But it all starts somewhere an for me the reason we dont have more peolpe interested in becoming refs is that we are all in agreement that the abuse they get is wrong,verbal is bad enough,physcial is unforgiveable.We have to start at the begining,the players an improve their attitudes,if theres improves then id expect the refs would too.U see a fixture for the weekend an then the ref,an its ''oh god not him again'' an i have no doubt in my mind that when a refs sees his fixture he thinks on occasion ''og god not them again'',,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,see my point.