QuoteNow that you mention it I'm not sure that there is a rule that says you have to be female to take part so you could be correct mixed cup format next season another novel idea from the FAI
Sorry Chosen one I do believe Stella & Joey's will enter their Adult team next year, getting the rules amended mid stream. They may possibly even try an Adult mens team as they may find another loophole ...
Did ny1 see de Star Footie supplement 2day?....
...I cudn't blieve it...Stella every where.......all positive reports and not one mention of the hassle ovr de Sumr.....and a plea for an U17/U18 age group to facilitate Stella's players!!!!
I'm VERY close to giving up on Womens football in this country.....incredibly frustrated at the moment.....
please see attached if you haven't had the pleasure of reading any of The Star articles......
I'm getting more and more frustrated and angry by the minute....
Last edited by The One; 18/09/2009 at 8:36 AM.
Due to restrictions on attachments sizes I had to remove attachement. If you would like to read it, please send me a message(incl. your e-mail address and I'll send it on)Originally Posted by The One
please see attached if you haven't had the pleasure of reading any of The Star articles......
I'm getting more and more frustrated and angry by the minute....
longford town won the u14 with a proper underage team (my sisters play) they have some very good players they pass the ball around and dont just kick it away and play long balls like most players their age watch out for them next ywar there entering the u16 with a team of mainly 14-15 year olds
I sent email to one F in Foley from The Star ........with a link to this page.....Here is his reply
Thx, er, P for your e-mail, it is an interesting read.
Hovvever, I might just point out that the article I vvrote had a different agenda, the lack of football for girls vvho finish in their late teens but simply aren't capable of competing at adult level. To lose them to sport at vulnerable age is a social shame.
The big sin as I see it, is that this is an area vvhere the FAI have a moral responsibity as do the Government.
The first named vvould rather spend their money on a disgusting 'elitism' policy (eg lots of money for the 30 best UI3 schoolboys and nothing for anyone in I3B football or for another instance, lots of (avvay) under-age internationals and very little for the ordinary kid vvho just likes playing).
As I say, your UI6 Cup saga is an interesting read and I am avvare of the rift but my vievv is that unless Ladies/VVomens football can co-ordinate and report to the one body, you vvill have compromise rules through competitions. VVhat you have at most is a patchy confederation.
And vvhile I can't point a finger through this medium, most vvould recognise vvhich parts of the overall tend to have a selfish agenda - so I'm not too sure blaming teenage girls and their efforts to play sport as it is defined to them vvhen they turn up for training/games is fair.
VVhat can I appreciate is an honest agenda though.
Get mobilised, get vocal, and most importantly get together. I keep saying this, all soccer officials in this country, FAI, VVFAI, DDSL, AUL vvhatever are elected. Don't get angry, get franchised!
OneF
------Original Message------
From: P@vodafone.ie
To: Derek foley
Sent: Sep 17, 2009 20:33
Subject: Under 16/14 girls Cup Farce
Please go to the following link before writing about a sport you know
nothing about!
http://foot.ie/forums/showthread.php?t=119721
I think you will find that Longford Town were in fact not eligibile to participate in the national cup competition, as they are not a team participating in any league as per the rules of the competiton and confirmed by the FAI. so to BBB Sui you should have looked a lot closer to the teams you were due to play against, this team is made up of academy players (from 3 club teams) brought together by an employee of the FAI who in turn has been slapped for his underhand approach. So to all those clubsout there entering a national club competition we now have employess of the FAI allowing the merge of players from a number of clubs to participate against proper formed clubs, what sort of messages is that can the top three in dublin or cork merge and become one for a cup run, well done Longford you proved cheating wins
Unless the rules have changed specifically for the 2009 season, the FAI competitions are open to "representaive teams"....
examples:
DWSL(except players registered as Premier players)
Galway League
Cork League
Limerick League
Limerick Desmond League
Mayo League
Wexford League
Kerry League
None of these teams play in any competitive league and consist of players from several clubs across their repective counties or leagues. Clubs may choose to enter teams and not be part of the "representative team"...Lifford, Wilton, Benfica etc.
None of the DWSL Premier teams may contribute to any of the DWSL teams, and their players can only play in the Senior Cup(except for Stella Maris it seems....that's another story isn't it...) but the Mayo/Cork/Limerick League team can include players from clubs around the county who may play for their clubs in the Intermediate or Junior cups and possibly the U16 cup(U14 are not eligible to play at Senior/Junior/Intermediate due to age restrictions, but may be okay at U16)
There is no Summer League I know of in Longford and the players are free to play for Longford Town in the FAI Summer competitions as it is a competition held in a different Season and players can be registered with different clubs in different seasons......ie: Longford Town in the Summer and maybe Ardagh or Keenagh in the Winter.
I don't agree with the whole "Representative Teams" thing..but that's me...and it is legal, at least the last time I checked.
Also I don't agree with FAI coaches/RDO's etc coaching teams in FAI National Cup Competitions...or for that matter teams in the FAI-run Gaynor Cup either. I have heard of the then Irish Senior International manager being slapped on the wrist for coaching Stella Maris during a DWSL league game against Templeogue United a few years back....can anyone from Templeogue confirm this?
To the best of my knowledge...as part of their contract with the FAI RDO's and DO's etc are required to sign an agreement part of which includes having no direct involvement(coaching/scouting/managing) with clubs either amateur or professional here in Ireland, Scotland, Nothern Ireland, Wales or England(not sure about other EU states). I personally know of at least four RDO/DO's who are either coaching in clubs or in one case up to last season in schoolboys, running a club for all intents and purposes.
I cannot confirm that there were/were not changes to the rules prior to Summer season competions starting in 2009 as I don't have a set of rules to hand.
the deeper you dig eh......?
Last edited by The One; 21/09/2009 at 5:21 PM.
My team!
I think you will find that once again your understanding of the rules is not actually factual TO. The Senior cup is open to Representative teams as per a WFAI ruling a number of years ago, however the underage competitions is for club teams only I think you may need to re-evaluate your commentary, and you will also find that in fact the DWSL can play players from DWSL teams once they themselves are not participating in the cup as a club team.
As for Longford they were a representative team and therefore not a club team for a club competition, NOT valid and from what I gather will NEVER be allowed again as it cheats all those clubs around the country who are developing young players week in week out in a club structure.
you will also find that in order to play in the competition for your "new" team you have ot have played two competitive matches for the team, ??? Longford did not play even one as they were not in a competitive league. it goes on and on and on get your blinkers off and see it for what it is CHEATING
I'm new to ladies/girls football but this u-16 cup looks to be a complete mess from start to finish.I asked earlier in the season for views on holding a forum/conference for the improvement in football in this country but I didn't get a great response.Maybe now is the time to arrange some thing as things won't improve if we don't get together and sort out these problems once and for all.
[QUOTE=itsonlyagame;1236442]I think you will find that once again your understanding of the rules is not actually factual TO.
What rules ?Difficult one that!
you are forgetting the sise of the pool of players longford has is relitivley small also my sisters atleast are signed with longford town they had to leave the local side to join and the team they played in the final was a south galway selection with a squad of almost 30 compared to longfords 18 or socan the top three in dublin or cork merge and become one for a cup run, well done Longford you proved cheating wins
Look, when we were knocked out, i was personally glad to be out of the competition. It's bouderies were so undefined it was hard to know what you were likely to come up against next!
Any help we sought before the game as to eligitability etc from the FAI or Connacht representatives was poor.
As for Longford playing with an under 14 team Keen2win, their under 14 team named from final from the year before 2008 must have been very young as most of them were back again a year later in 2009.
Longford Town team 2009 final
Bethaine Houldsworth; Sarah Shannon, Michelle Masterson, Ellie Collum, Leanne Keegan; Aoife Darcy, Aisling Reynolds, Karen Delaney, Aisling Cosgrove; Elaine Murphy, Michelle Farrell. Unused Subs: Hannah Duggan, Donna Masterson, Aideen Mimnagh, Eimear Heaney, Muireann Mulcahy, Aoife Johns, Rachel Cheevers.
Longford Town team 2008 Final
Bethany Houldsworth (Emer Heaney 36); Sarah Madden, Leanne Keegan, Michelle Masterson, Karen Delaney (Shauna Kenny 61), Sarah Shannon (captain), Aisling Reynolds, Michelle Noonan (Aoife Jones 51), Michelle Farrell, Aoife Darcy, Aisling Cosgrove
Under 15 representative teams in an under 14 Girls Club Cup competition. What next.................Gender testing
actally most of the girls in the team this year were still 13?? they arent a very big team they are just good footballers
Of course they are good footballers, they are cherry picked from a number of clubs. You are not going to have any real weaknesses if you do that! Our players are picked from an area where you have to mix the good with the bad!
Also you are telling me you got to the cup final last year with most of your players 12 year olds in a under 14/15 competition.
Last edited by BBB In a sui; 22/09/2009 at 7:46 PM.
actually yes the team was very young and did brilliantly the longford league is very strong i dont care if you dont believe me but my sisters are on the team there 13 year old twins their friends are 13 theres a few 14 year olds bt there all under age
PLEASE NOTE:
THE FOLLOWING IS FROM THE 2008 RULES AS I DO NOT HAVE A 2009 COPY TO HAND AND SOME RULES MAY HAVE CHANGED. IF SO I APOLOGISE. FOR THE MOST-PART I BELIEVE THERE ARE NO CHANGES IN THESE SECTIONS.
WFAI Rules and Regulations 2008
Rule 5: Rules relating to the rights and duties of Divisional Leagues, Clubs and Players.
5.1(b)
all Women's and Girl's Clubs in the prescribed area shall be eligible for membership,
subject to the bye-laws of their League, and they shall have the right to enter all
Competitions providing they are properly registered.
5.2
All Divisional Leagues and individual teams on first affiliation shall satisfy the
Executive Committee of the WFAI that they are properly constituted in
accordance with the Rules of the WFAI
(I MUST PRESUME THAT LONGFORD SATISFIES THIS REQUIREMENT)
5.6(c)
The effective date of registration shall be the date on which the form is
endorsed by the League Secretary. In the case of a player with a team not
affiliated to any League, the effective date of registration shall be the
date on which the form is received by the Honourary Secretary of the
WFAI
(I MUST PRESUME THAT LONGFORD SATISFIES THIS REQUIREMENT)
5.7(a)
With the exception of the provisions in Rule 5.7(b), once a player is
registered with a team she cannot join another team unless transferred.
The movement of a player from a Winter League on it's cessation to a
Summer League or vice-versa in accordance with Rule 5.3 and 5.6(d)
shall not be regarded as a transfer.(THIS RENDERS ALL THE REST OF THIS RULE VOID AS IT DOESN'T APPLY BECAUSE THERE IS NO TRANSFER) Once a player transfers to a new Club
and plays for that Club in WFAI Cup competitions, she may not transfer
again until after December 31st of the year of transfer, or in the case of
Players in Winter Leagues until the end of that League's season. For a
player duly transferred to qualify for her new team in WFAI
competitions she must:-
(i) not have played for her previous team in the competition in question;
(ii) have played two Divisional League competitive games for her new
team prior to representing that team in WFAI inter-club competitions;
and
(iii) be registered with that team for at least fourteen(14) days prior
to her participation in the competition.
Rule 6: Competitions
The following competitions will be organised by the Women's Football
Association of Ireland
6.1
Under-Age competitions will be organised by the Under-Age Committee
with the by-laws as agreed between the Council and the Under-Age
Committee.(THE WORDS INTER-CLUB ARE NOT MENTIONED HERE...ONLY IN 6.2 BELOW AND RELATE TO SENIOR AND INTERMEDIATE COMPETITIONS. IN ANY CASE, I THINK YOU WILL FIND THAT LONGFORD ARE REGISTERED CORRECTLY WITH THE WFAI AS A CLUB AND NOT AS A REPRESENTATIVE TEAM.....SEE ABOVE RULE 5)
6.2
The Association shall organise inter-club competitions at Senior and
Intermediate level in accordance with a format to be decided by Council
at it's opening meeting each year.
6.3
The association shall organise inter-league, inter-provincial, Gaynor
Tournament, and such other competitions as shall be determined by
Council at the beginning of each year.
itsonlyagame:
1- from what I can see, the rules allow for a team to be built as Longford have done.
2- I do agree with you that there should be no involvement by the FAI/WFAI in the organising, coaching or management of any teams competing in any FAI/WFAI competitions.
3- Please read the rules yourself before you accuse someone of being "blinkered"
4- I think that you will find that my understanding of the rules is, in fact factual.
5- From my previous post you will also find that I said that players registered as Premier League players with the DWSL were eligible to play in the Senior Cup competition only...even if their club does not enter the Senior Cup....and subsequently cannot play in any other competition...or...to the best of my knowledge any other team in the Senior Cup unless they transfer to that "new" club and fulfill the requirements in Rule 5.7(a)(i),(ii) and (iii) as quoted above.
6- I agree with your stance on the bending of the rules by team, clubs and players. It is not in the spirit of the rules and as such I brand it as cheating....as you do yourself. The problem is not the teams doing the bending, but the rules themselves and the apparent total lack of interest by the FAI/WFAI in relation to the rules and the absolutely ridiculous decisions being made over the past few years by these organisations when they know what the right decision should be.
And when they are offered the opportunity to make the best decision for the majority of clubs/teams in all of their competitions and send a message to the teams/clubs that are bending the rules that their behavior will not be tolerated and fine them or remove from the competition or receive a lengthy suspension...or all three they don't have the courage or conviction to do so.
As we have seen recently these organisations have no obvious intention of doing any of these. It is very demoralising, and players, managers, coaches and teams are being lost to the game because of this lack of leadership.
Last edited by The One; 23/09/2009 at 8:09 AM.
b y the way for god sake cut the grass at your pitch it was afwully long for the semi-finalOf course they are good footballers, they are cherry picked from a number of clubs. You are not going to have any real weaknesses if you do that! Our players are picked from an area where you have to mix the good with the bad!
Also you are telling me you got to the cup final last year with most of your players 12 year olds in a under 14/15 competition.
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