QuoteIt's Shane DuffyOriginally Posted by greendeiseboy
Is it a thing that he wants the player to make some kind of public declaration of loyalty to our honourable cause?
You should probably just name the player
You show me a good loser and I'll show you a loser - Vince Lombardi
It's Shane Duffy
I don't know whether you're "in the know", or just being mischievous(!), but assuming it is Duffy, I'm surprised there should be this "Mexican Standoff"* between him and McCaffery.It's Shane Duffy
For whilst I can understand why Duffy would not want openly to approach the FAI (i.e. the IFA have been very good to him), nonetheless I don't see how, considering Duffy's Da is from Donegal, the IFA could really object if the FAI made the first approach (i.e. there can be no disputing his eligibility for ROI) .
The only thing I can think of is that in recent years, the two Associations have been co-operating quite closely on Coaching Courses etc, plus there is the Setanta Cup and new Four Nations tournament to come. Maybe therefore they have come to some sort of informal, off-the-record, agreement not to make the first approach to each others players?
* - I know, I know...
"mexican standoff"? very bigoted, Ealing Green, very bigoted lol
EG
Haven't you heard? No disputes about eligibility in Ireland any more. Contact Mr Blatter for further details.
No agreement EG, as the IFA don't own players born in the North (Again, contact Mr Blatter for confirmation). Good to see Derry City's young left back Shane McEleney down training with Sean McCaffrey's Ireland u19 squad recently, for the first time.
I think this wind-up has now run it course ....
ifk101 (above) is quite correct.
So as I replied to you on another thread: "...if you really must hijack this thread down [another] avenue, you'll have to find someone else to help you"
So as I replied to you on another thread:
Very funny eg, that made me laugh.
The above relates to the Sean McCaffrey thread..how exactly?
Is actually you who hijacks threads and turns them all in NI vs ROI threads. This is in relation to Sean McCaffery and his ego/pride costing Ireland.
I doubt there exists any informal agreement EG unless NI is asking for permission to use our players - after all NI is effectively picking our players for its international sides.
As it is I think that relations between the two associations are quite poor as UEFA/FIFA has been pushing for the IFA to be assimilated by the FAI. This is highighted by the change in the eligibility rules but also the failed attempt to bring the 2011 U21 European Championships to Ireland. Apparently UEFA wanted the two associations to enter just the one team for this competition which obviously the IFA was having none of.
Ha ha. Is that the Euro u-21 that only Denmark and Israel applied to stage?
http://www.uefa.com/competitions/und...id=718282.html
"It also emerged from yesterday's meeting that UEFA are keen on bringing the 2011 European U21 championships to these shores, provided that there is a joint bid between the FAI and their northern counterparts, the IFA.
While no discussions about this have previously taken place between the two associations on either side of the border, the FAI will be endeavouring to discuss the prospect with the powers-that-be in Belfast. "
http://www.independent.ie/sport/socc...gaa-80571.html
So is there any actual evidence- as opposed to wishful thinking and white smoke emerging- that that's what UEFA actually wants?
"It also emerged from yesterday's meeting that UEFA are keen on bringing the 2011 European U21 championships to these shores, provided that there is a joint bid between the FAI and their northern counterparts, the IFA
Apart from contradicting their supposed reluctance to share finals competitions between two or more countries in future- why couldn't the South simply bid to stage it alone? You must have four LoI grounds suitable, plus enough hotels for the UEFA goons to stay in?
We staged the U-19 a few years ago, when France won. Quite successfully- not a single riot, stand falling down or other off-field c*ck up.
Originally Posted by EalingGreen:
"The only thing I can think of is that in recent years, the two Associations have been co-operating quite closely on Coaching Courses etc, plus there is the Setanta Cup and new Four Nations tournament to come. Maybe therefore they have come to some sort of informal, off-the-record, agreement not to make the first approach to each others players?"
Here's how.The above relates to the Sean McCaffrey thread..how exactly?
"KK" referred to a player apparently involved in a stand-off with McCaffrey. "Fly"speculated it might be Shane Duffy.
Therefore in order to explain the standoff, I speculated that Duffy might be reluctant to make the first approach out of loyalty to the IFA, whilst McCaffrey might be reluctant if there was some sort of informal agreement with the IFA (i.e. following the FAI's recent close co-operation with the IFA in a range of areas).
OK, it might have been speculation of a very fanciful kind, but there was no intent to wind anybody up in it, nor to drag the thread off topic, as is transparently the case with some of your recent posts.
Please tell me how I am hijacking this thread and turning it into "an NI vs ROI thread".
And whilst you're at it, why not tell us who this mystery player is, since that would eliminate speculation and help keep the thread on topic...
Probably not, but as I indicated above, unless/until Kingdom Kerry reveals the player's identity, there is liable to be speculation.
Why would NI have to seek the FAI's permission to select players born in NI?
Did the FAI seek permission from the SFA when they selected Aiden McGeady, for instance?
Where is your evidence that relations between the two are "quite poor"? If you like, I can point to any number of examples where they have been co-operating fully in recent years.
Where is your evidence that either UEFA or FIFA have been "pushing for the IFA to be assimilated by the FAI"?
Complete non sequitur. Or did the suggestion by FIFA that the IFA be permitted to select ROI-born players (as a quid pro quo) indicate that FIFA wanted the FAI to be assimilated within the IFA
Presumably, then, UEFA want to see the Polish and Ukrainian FA's merged/assimilated as well, seeing as they have awarded the 2012 Euros to those two countries?
First I'd heard of it, I must say. Any links or references?
I know there is a risk I will end up being more frustrated than Father Ted when he tried to explain Perspective to Father Dougal, but would you like me to explain the difference between a "Joint Bid" and a "Joint Team"?
"It also emerged from yesterday's meeting that UEFA are keen on bringing the 2011 European U21 championships to these shores, provided that there is a joint bid between the FAI and their northern counterparts, the IFA.
While no discussions about this have previously taken place between the two associations on either side of the border, the FAI will be endeavouring to discuss the prospect with the powers-that-be in Belfast. "
http://www.independent.ie/sport/socc...gaa-80571.html
As already alluded by Gather round, there really isn't a need for the two associations to join forces to host a U21 Championship, ie we wouldn't have any major stumbling blocks in hosting a championships on our own. Second as pointed out by Gather round as well, there does exist a strong reluctance to share championships between associations. This is especially relevant to underage championship like the U21 Championship when only 8 teams compete. Do you understand perspective now Dougal?I know there is a risk I will end up being more frustrated than Father Ted when he tried to explain Perspective to Father Dougal, but would you like me to explain the difference between a "Joint Bid" and a "Joint Team"?
What are the women in Sweden like?As already alluded by Gather round, there really isn't a need for the two associations to join forces to host a U21 Championship, ie we wouldn't have any major stumbling blocks in hosting a championships on our own. Second as pointed out by Gather round as well, there does exist a strong reluctance to share championships between associations. This is especially relevant to underage championship like the U21 Championship when only 8 teams compete. Do you understand perspective now Dougal?
Again, this thread is far too easily going off track.
We should open a thread for the discussion of any possible future 'joint bids' between the IFA and the FAI (Which, I believe would be good for both economies and would promote Ireland in an excellent light). And another thread for the discussion of hot Swedish women.
On topic however; I don't know McCaffrey, but from what I've read of the fortunes of Ireland U-19 and U-17 under him, they don't appear to be very promising (that 6-1 drilling by Switzerland was a disgrace*). If the player in question is in fact Shane Duffy (who is only 17), then I wouldn't brand him a 'primadonna' or whatever, just as others have. I believe it is the responsibility of the manager to recruit players and especially since Duffy is 17 and still a kid, it's hard to expect him to take the initiative and contact McCaffrey.
*In relation to the 6-1 defeat to Switzerland, perhaps McCaffrey could do with a defender such as Duffy!
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