Nutsy on the look out for Scottish Club

**pineapple stu** · 12/06/2009, 3:30 PM

Nope, but it is the manager who spends the budget on rubbish players, which he did at us.

**CMcC** · 12/06/2009, 3:43 PM

Ah but then thats a different issue. Flash says he nearly killed the club. Not true the board nearly killed the club. You give a manager money and he will spend it. If you dont rate him as a manager or if you dont rate his ability to sign decent players or both then thats fair enough. Some would claim his record since says different.

**pól-dcfc** · 12/06/2009, 3:47 PM

Originally Posted by CMcC

Ah but then thats a different issue. Flash says he nearly killed the club. Not true the board nearly killed the club. You give a manager money and he will spend it. If you dont rate him as a manager or if you dont rate his ability to sign decent players or both then thats fair enough. Some would claim his record since says different.

Not really. If the manager spends the budget well, the team are potentially more successful, leading to increased revenue.

**pineapple stu** · 12/06/2009, 3:54 PM

Exactly. As in, hypothetically, if he were to take a club from European qualifiers to relegation, resulting in some of their top players to move on and necessitating a rebuilding/overhaul phase.

Anyways, back to Nutsy.

**gustavo** · 12/06/2009, 3:55 PM

Originally Posted by pól-dcfc

Not really. If the manager spends the budget well, the team are potentially more successful, leading to increased revenue.

I'm sure every manager sets out only to buy good players. Doesn't always work out that way though

**CMcC** · 12/06/2009, 3:55 PM

Doubt if revenue generation is in any LoI managers job description. Managers are employed to win things or to achieve certain goals like staying up or promotion or whatever.

Wether you spend the budget well or not usually is determined bt he level of sucess against those goals. Wether you spend the budge well or not, it is still spent. At Drogheda he was sucessful - the budget he was given was spent and they won things.

Conversely your point re incresasing revenue with sucess didnt seem to happen there or if it did the club didnt use the increased revenue in th right way. Not the managers fault I would argue.

It doesnt seem to follow at Bohs either. Double success last year hasnt increased attendances or revenues greatly this year. Again nothing to do with the manager - all to do with the Bohs board.

**pól-dcfc** · 12/06/2009, 4:01 PM

Originally Posted by CMcC

Doubt if revenue generation is in any LoI managers job description. Managers are employed to win things or to achieve certain goals like staying up or promotion or whatever.

Wether you spend the budget well or not usually is determined bt he level of sucess against those goals. Wether you spend the budge well or not, it is still spent. At Drogheda he was sucessful - the budget he was given was spent and they won things.

Conversely your point re incresasing revenue with sucess didnt seem to happen there or if it did the club didnt use the increased revenue in th right way. Not the managers fault I would argue.

It doesnt seem to follow at Bohs either. Double success last year hasnt increased attendances or revenues greatly this year. Again nothing to do with the manager - all to do with the Bohs board.

Not every situation is identical though. With Drogheda, the board ploughed money into them expecting some sort of return when their new stadium was built. That didn't happen, so left them in the ****. The board were too speculative. Historically, that hasn't been the case with UCD.

**pineapple stu** · 12/06/2009, 4:12 PM

Originally Posted by pól-dcfc

The board were too speculative. Historically, that hasn't been the case with UCD.

That's one way of putting it.

Hoey et al nearly killed Drogheda, not Doolin. Doolin did, however, screw UCD up. Hence, we paid Drogheda to take him off us. I think both cases are being discussed as the same, which is wrong, as you've pointed out.

**wexfordned** · 12/06/2009, 4:14 PM

To be fair to Nusty, why shouldn't he leave. Winning the double last season means he has achieved as much he can in this league. If he wants to a fresh challenge of the Scottish league good luck to him.

**Weatherman** · 12/06/2009, 4:41 PM

Originally Posted by wexfordned

To be fair to Nusty, why shouldn't he leave. Winning the double last season means he has achieved as much he can in this league. If he wants to a fresh challenge of the Scottish league good luck to him.

i agree. surely he has ambitions to further his career abroad after all he has won almost everything with the biggest club in the land.

**Hairy Bowsie** · 12/06/2009, 6:54 PM

I've said it before and i'll say it again. Pat Fenlon is the best manger in this league by a great distance, with or without a cheque book.

**pól-dcfc** · 12/06/2009, 7:12 PM

Originally Posted by Hairy Bowsie

I've said it before and i'll say it again. Pat Fenlon is the best manger in this league by a great distance, with or without a cheque book.

Yeah, he's really proved it all those times he's been with a club in a dire financial situation. Running away shows how big the man is. Helping take his wages off the books. Good man Pat. With or without a chequebook, you truely are one of the greats.