Is Foot.ie just becoming a talking shop?

[MariborKev]

Lads,

I think this is great as it will help to kick on for future development of the forum.

Would it be worthwhile taking a look at the format of the OWC forum that the Norn Iron lads have?

They have the forum and then it is subdivided into separate forums for each game, then one for atmosphere etc. I think this might help.

YBIG does a fantastic job, but I come here for my LOI news and then as an Ireland fan I tend to drift in here for Ireland chat etc.......

[paul_oshea]

Is that another Forum paul?.......How does it compare?

Its an inverted cork site, you wouldn't understand

[paul_oshea]

Ya does EG check this out, or would that go against his constitution i.e. FANS forum

EG our GR if you are reading please post/give advice. You like giving advice EG so nows your chance!

Without over populating the "fans forum" perhaps an "away trips" forum might help specifically away from the fans forum etc. I think OWC do it that way. So "cyprus away" thread in a forum called "away trips" might be an idea. Personally I like the way its done currently but if you want a forum that is specifically getting at what Neil is saying, doing something like that might filter out into exactly what people are looking for without trawling through different things.

[pineapple stu]

Without over populating the "fans forum" perhaps an "away trips" forum might help specifically away from the fans forum etc. I think OWC do it that way. So "cyprus away" in a forum called "away trips" might be an idea.

Change "Fans' Forum" for "Away trips", and that's exactly what we do have. Separate forums for separate games would mean threads on everything and anything getting started, which would make it very awkward to look up. Again, no bothers splitting the Cyprus thread into separate threads on accommodation, flights, drink, towns, etc.

I've no bothers trying to change things around, but all we have so far is vague unsubstantiated moaning. Maybe this thread is also just becoming a talking shop, but unless there's positive suggestions, there's little that can be done.

[paul_oshea]

no ye dont get me.

Have away trips as possibly a sub forum of Fans forum or another sub forum under ireland. not a forum for every trip.

[NeilMcD]

[QUOTE=paul_oshea;1176263]no ye dont get me.

/QUOTE]

I would say you have to say that a good bit to be honest Paul.

[Newryrep]

Change "Fans' Forum" for "Away trips", and that's exactly what we do have. Separate forums for separate games would mean threads on everything and anything getting started, which would make it very awkward to look up. Again, no bothers splitting the Cyprus thread into separate threads on accommodation, flights, drink, towns, etc.

I've no bothers trying to change things around, but all we have so far is vague unsubstantiated moaning. Maybe this thread is also just becoming a talking shop, but unless there's positive suggestions, there's little that can be done.

The TAMB doesnt have a bad set up format wise,does exactly what it says on the tin

General

TA specific
Home Games
Clubs

Away travel

General
specific games

AOB

Football - non TA
General
tech support
Photos

[pineapple stu]

Have away trips as possibly a sub forum of Fans forum or another sub forum under ireland. not a forum for every trip.

What would go in Fans' Forum so? Is there a need to split a quiet forum into two parts?

Also, irishfan86 says that the Fans' Forum gets lost as it's a sub-forum; this would be exemplified if it were a sub-sub-forum. Personally, I use the "New Posts" button, so that doesn't affect me, but just want to throw out the disagreement.

The TAMB doesnt have a bad set up format wise,does exactly what it says on the tin

General

TA specific
Home Games
Clubs

I assume this corresponds to Ireland, Fans' Forum (maybe? Could start a thread for each home game?) and Premier and First Divisions?

Away travel

General
specific games

Both these are included under our Fans' Forum.

AOB

Football - non TA
General
tech support
Photos

This then constitues World football, Off Topic, Support, etc.

Different names, but broadly speaking the same layout?

How does the content on TA differ to here? Or what would it be hoped be achieved by the changes?

[NeilMcD]

I personally do not think it has anything to do with the format of the fans forum to be honest. If anything actually represents the issue it is the fact that the discussion has become about the format. This is not a technical issue it is a cultural one that I do not think can be fixed in a quick fix. The issue can be as simple that the culture on the site over the last while has been only to talk about the tactics of the games, and not get into actually doing things and organising funny t shirts, buses to games, taxis at airports. Flags etc. putting up pictures of the away matches. Basically creating a community of supporters. This has dwained and it was dwaining before YBIG was there, in fact I think YBIG just tapped in to this.

This is a members issue as much as anything.

[pineapple stu]

Fair enough so; cheers for that.

What I'll do anyway is split the Cyprus thread into smaller, topic specific chunks; I think it'd work well.

If it's a members issue, the best thing you - or anyone - can do is start a few threads.

[NeilMcD]

Fair enough so; cheers for that.

What I'll do anyway is split the Cyprus thread into smaller, topic specific chunks; I think it'd work well.

If it's a members issue, the best thing you - or anyone - can do is start a few threads.

I do my best pineapple. One of the best and most rewarding things I have done was organise the bus in Montenegro and the amount of good people I met from that was great. Met lots of them on subsequent trips and anybody who was on the bus was sound and we had a good laugh.

[Newryrep]

What would go in Fans' Forum so? .....

How does the content on TA differ to here? Or what would it be hoped be achieved by the changes?

see link below, i might of explained it better

http://taboard.com/forum/index.php?act=idx

[SkStu]

I do my best pineapple..

Have to agree with this Neil.

To be fair, and this is from someone who just browses this forum and doesnt travel (obviously) to watch the team play - Neil (at least i think it was you) tried to start a thread on the funniest away trip stories which i thought was a brilliant idea and was looking forward to hearing all the stories from down through the years. I think it made 2 pages, of which 5-6 posts must have been Neil trying to encourage people to post their stories and referring to the same thread over on ybig. It made me go and look (i had never visited the site before) and the difference in dynamics between the two was worlds apart. There must have been 16-17 pages of stories and accusations and retorts, it was hilarious.

Whereas foot.ie looks (a lot) better and is more informative, there seems to be a real camraderie and spirit over on ybig. I admire what you tried to do Neil but i think the result speaks volumes.

In short, i think it boils down to the fans that each site has attracted as opposed to the structure or otherwise of each site. Perhaps this site is over-moderated and that has driven some of the more "care-free" or "colourful" posters away. Its all just my opinion though i do agree that there is no apparent quick fix to the problems raised here.

[holidaysong]

lots of LOI fans on ybig benno , and plenty focus on it in the fanzine , interview with richie sadlier in the next issue !

From having a quick glance at the YBIG forum, it seems the LOI forum over there is extremely quiet. Foot.ie is primarily a LOI site. It suits me to just come in here to the Ireland section and chat about a few topics relating to the national team now and again. Personally, I don't see the need for endless topics on away Ireland games, as I don't go to any.

[SkStu]

id just like to add that perhaps splitting the fans forum and ireland forum might be a good place to start.

[pineapple stu]

Fans' Forum and the Ireland are already split. That's kind of why we have a Fans' Forum and an Ireland forum.

If you mean make one not a sub-forum of the other, dahamsta can arrange that, but I don't see how it'll make much difference. Seems to me to make sense that travelling to games, making flags, meeting up, etc, should be a subsection of the national team in general.

[paul_oshea]

Got we track sided?!

[SkStu]

Fans' Forum and the Ireland are already split. That's kind of why we have a Fans' Forum and an Ireland forum.
If you mean make one not a sub-forum of the other, dahamsta can arrange that, but I don't see how it'll make much difference. Seems to me to make sense that travelling to games, making flags, meeting up, etc, should be a subsection of the national team in general.

i think it was obvious what i meant. The fans forum might attract more traffic if it was seperate and apart from the ireland forum but both came under the "Ireland Section". I dont know if it will make a difference but, as i said, it might. It also might benefit from looser moderation.

Otherwise, as stated, it just boils down to the type of poster/fan attracted by foot.ie in general.

[NeilMcD]

Have to agree with this Neil.

To be fair, and this is from someone who just browses this forum and doesnt travel (obviously) to watch the team play - Neil (at least i think it was you) tried to start a thread on the funniest away trip stories which i thought was a brilliant idea and was looking forward to hearing all the stories from down through the years. I think it made 2 pages, of which 5-6 posts must have been Neil trying to encourage people to post their stories and referring to the same thread over on ybig. It made me go and look (i had never visited the site before) and the difference in dynamics between the two was worlds apart. There must have been 16-17 pages of stories and accusations and retorts, it was hilarious.

Whereas foot.ie looks (a lot) better and is more informative, there seems to be a real camraderie and spirit over on ybig. I admire what you tried to do Neil but i think the result speaks volumes.

In short, i think it boils down to the fans that each site has attracted as opposed to the structure or otherwise of each site. Perhaps this site is over-moderated and that has driven some of the more "care-free" or "colourful" posters away. Its all just my opinion though i do agree that there is no apparent quick fix to the problems raised here.

Yeah tht was me and I agree with your post above esp the last bit. The funny thing is there is an awful lot of crossover and there is not loads on YBIG that do not have foot.ie accounts as far as I can see.

[SkStu]

Got we track sided?!

how so, Paul? I think things might have improved markedly since i took it upon myself to rescue the fans forum...