Potentially eligible players thread

**paul_oshea** · 10/06/2009, 9:56 AM

Originally Posted by irishfan86

For example, I have a friend who has a Greek father, an Italian mother, and was raised in Canada.

That poor lad must be awful mixed up.....pasta or salad, pasta or greek salad, pasta or waldorf salad...

**endabob1** · 10/06/2009, 10:01 AM

Originally Posted by Mcgeady46

can't happen - that makes then english sinple as and they have no place near the Irish team

That is an opinion and not a fact.

**tetsujin1979** · 10/06/2009, 10:08 AM

Originally Posted by Den Perry

You'd want to grow up. If Holland was by this time an Irish international and sang the national anthem of another nation it is nothing short of embarressing.It doesn't matter if its GSTQ, Flower of Scotland or the Star Spangled Banner.Of course he can be proud of his English heritage but by being an Irish international h was mean to be IRISH.Imagine if we were playing against England and he started singing GSTQ?

My housemate is half Swedish, half Tunisian. He speaks both languages fluently, sings both national anthems and follows both international teams passionately. What a b*stard.

**irishfan86** · 10/06/2009, 10:10 AM

Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

My housemate is half Swedish, half Tunisian. He speaks both languages fluently, sings both national anthems and follows both international teams passionately. What a b*stard.

What do you think we should do- hang him or shoot him?

**Drumcondra 69er** · 10/06/2009, 10:22 AM

Originally Posted by Den Perry

You'd want to grow up.

Good servant? He was extremely overated as a player. Keane alongside him made him look good and the proof was in the pudding at WC 2002 where he was absolutely terrible apart from the goal against Cameroon. I know it was a hugely important goal, but centre midfield was terrible in that tiournament

That's actually rubbish, you'd want to get over the fact that your beloved RK buggered off and then heed your own advice from the first line of your post.

Holland and Kinsella both had good tournaments in 2002, without wanting to scapegoat Ian Harte we were weakest down our left and that's where we were targeted. No team in that tournament over ran us in centre mid, it's laughable to suggest that.

**Den Perry** · 10/06/2009, 10:34 AM

Originally Posted by Drumcondra 69er

That's actually rubbish, you'd want to get over the fact that your beloved RK buggered off and then heed your own advice from the first line of your post.

Holland and Kinsella both had good tournaments in 2002, without wanting to scapegoat Ian Harte we were weakest down our left and that's where we were targeted. No team in that tournament over ran us in centre mid, it's laughable to suggest that.

Well get your videos out mate because Germany and Spain totally overan our midfield

**Dodge** · 10/06/2009, 10:36 AM

Lads, less of the personal stuff.

**Den Perry** · 10/06/2009, 10:41 AM

Originally Posted by drummerboy

If a player was born and bred in England, surely you can't complain if he sings GSTQ. Now if he sang it at an Ireland game you could complain. After all he is representing Ireland at football not joining Sinn Fein.

I'm not anti -english in the slightest, but he was an Irish international at the time, and sang the national anthem of another country....I just can't understand that. sorry

**Drumcondra 69er** · 10/06/2009, 11:06 AM

Originally Posted by Den Perry

Well get your videos out mate because Germany and Spain totally overan our midfield

I was at both of those games and no offence but that's pure garbage mate.

We dominated both those games for the bulk of the 90 and 120 minutes, particulalry the longer the match went on.

I understand you're still obviously upset over Saipan but basing arguments on fiction as a result because Roy was out walking Triggs rather then bossing the midfield does you no favours.

**Den Perry** · 10/06/2009, 11:18 AM

Originally Posted by Drumcondra 69er

I was at both of those games and no offence but that's pure garbage mate.

We dominated both those games for the bulk of the 90 and 120 minutes, particulalry the longer the match went on.

I understand you're still obviously upset over Saipan but basing arguments on fiction as a result because Roy was out walking Triggs rather then bossing the midfield does you no favours.

Thats your opinion.Look, I'm entitled to mine, and my belief was that our central midfield of which Holland was part of was overun in WC 2002. In fact, I cannot remember him playing well for us in a match of any importance when Keane did not partner him in midfield

You also said we dominated for the bulk of 120 minutes against Spain? Well from what I can remember we could have been more than one down to them at half time and played against 10 men for quite a part of extra time

**Dodge** · 10/06/2009, 11:21 AM

Whether he was of the requisite talent or not is immaterial. He absolutely made the most of his talent and performed well for Ireland, as all top professionals do.

**Stuttgart88** · 10/06/2009, 11:23 AM

I don't recall midfield being overrun in any game at WC02 either - bar maybe the first half of the first half in Suwon when the whole team wasn't at the races. Our second half performance in that game made me proud.

Overall it was well balanced and functional without being particularly punchy. Holland's goal in Niigata kept that campaign alive - probably the best goal from open play we've scored at a major finals.

Put sentiment aside - Houghton's 2 famous goals were both awful and Whelan's volley was off his shin but looked great. Holland's strike in Niigata was as sweet as you like, as was his crucial equaliser in Lisbon in a game where we deserved absolutely nothing.

**Den Perry** · 10/06/2009, 11:24 AM

Originally Posted by Dodge

Whether he was of the requisite talent or not is immaterial. He absolutely made the most of his talent and performed well for Ireland, as all top professionals do.

Maybe he did make the most of his tlent. I'm not denying that. What I'm saying is that I believe his performances were overated and that he did not play well in wc2002

**Dodge** · 10/06/2009, 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by Den Perry

Maybe he did make the most of his tlent. I'm not denying that. What I'm saying is that I believe his performances were overated and that he did not play well in wc2002

You replied to someone calling him a good servant with a post about his ability.

**Den Perry** · 10/06/2009, 11:33 AM

Originally Posted by Dodge

You replied to someone calling him a good servant with a post about his ability.

I replied stating that I didn't like him and then offered my opinion that he was an overrated player.What's the problem in doing that?

**Drumcondra 69er** · 10/06/2009, 11:37 AM

Originally Posted by Den Perry

Thats your opinion.Look, I'm entitled to mine, and my belief was that our central midfield of which Holland was part of was overun in WC 2002. In fact, I cannot remember him playing well for us in a match of any importance when Keane did not partner him in midfield

You also said we dominated for the bulk of 120 minutes against Spain? Well from what I can remember we could have been more than one down to them at half time and played against 10 men for quite a part of extra time

Fair enough, opinions are one's own.

But to counter, Spain had the best of the first half hour but by half time we'd begun to get back into it. We dominated the second half and the half hour extra time. So, even giving them the first 45, dominating for 75 minutes minimum of 120 makes up the bulk in any launguage. The fact they were down to 10 men for part of extra time is irrelevant, we were all over them at that stage.

Against Germany Oliver Khan kept them in the game, they were hanging on for dear life by the time we scored. We obviously bossed the Saudis and Holland scored the equaliser against Cameroon. I honestly just can't see where you could have saw us being over run in central midfield in WC 2002.

**Metrostars** · 10/06/2009, 1:23 PM

Originally Posted by Duggie

yes but if hes born irish hes 100% irish IMO. now it dosent matter he may not ever be a footballer, but somehow i can only see robbie keane's child been brought up 100 irish. 100% no question.

Sorry, I've got to disagree with that. If the kid is being raised in England, then he is not 100% Irish.

**Duggie** · 10/06/2009, 1:46 PM

Originally Posted by Metrostars

Sorry, I've got to disagree with that. If the kid is being raised in England, then he is not 100% Irish.

well maybe what i meant was, in the case of robbie keane's child for example. he was born in ireland, both his parents are irish, and i have no doubt he will be brought up as irish as can be even though a lot of this will be in england. still 100% irish in this case IMO.

**Den Perry** · 10/06/2009, 1:49 PM

Originally Posted by Drumcondra 69er

Fair enough, opinions are one's own.

But to counter, Spain had the best of the first half hour but by half time we'd begun to get back into it. We dominated the second half and the half hour extra time. So, even giving them the first 45, dominating for 75 minutes minimum of 120 makes up the bulk in any launguage. The fact they were down to 10 men for part of extra time is irrelevant, we were all over them at that stage.

Against Germany Oliver Khan kept them in the game, they were hanging on for dear life by the time we scored. We obviously bossed the Saudis and Holland scored the equaliser against Cameroon. I honestly just can't see where you could have saw us being over run in central midfield in WC 2002.

I don't wanna fight no more..