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    Quote Originally Posted by Noelys Guitar View Post

    Remember football can be a really cruel game ala Gary Waddock losing out to Jason Macateer 1994.
    Alan McLoughlin in 1990 surely? Waddock had retired long before 94. What made it worse for Waddock was that he was in the original squad but doubts over Ray Houghton's fitness convinced Jack he needed McLoughlin for cover. Jack said afterwards that Frank Stapleton was the one he should have left out as he had no intention of playing him but thought he deserved to be in the squad due to his service to Irish football over the years. Said the Stapleton did nothing but walk around with a face like a smacked @rse the whole tournament and was a complete pain in the hole to have around!

    On topic I'm not overly comfortable with the rule change but not naive enough to think we won't utilise it. And if we use it we might as well make the most of it, Noble would be a great addition, O'Hara I'm not sure off, bit of a party boy and I think Noan is past his best and needs a move out of Newcastle before he should be considered. Thefact he had his chance and turned us down would be a black mark for me.
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    O Hara would be a great addition if he played for us

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    id be all for forgiving and forgetting but you have to ask yourself would SI be coming back if we had lost to Italy and Bulgaria and if our remaining games were only for pride????

    If he comes back he should NOT be put in the starting XI in the first competitive game, what kinda message would that send out? yes i do think he would improve the team, but its apparent there is a good squad harmony there now and im not sure if bringing SI back would have a good effect on that.

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    Just out of curiosity why do FIFA keep changing the rules.

    I am all for players that are eligible to play for Ireland playing for Ireland if they are willing to give the expected commitment.

    But I do not believe that FIFA do anything for the credibility of International football with their too often tinkering with the rules.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elroy View Post
    id be all for forgiving and forgetting but you have to ask yourself would SI be coming back if we had lost to Italy and Bulgaria and if our remaining games were only for pride????

    If he comes back he should NOT be put in the starting XI in the first competitive game, what kinda message would that send out? yes i do think he would improve the team, but its apparent there is a good squad harmony there now and im not sure if bringing SI back would have a good effect on that.
    All fair enough but you'd be surprised how quick footballers can forgive and forget if it's the difference between qualification or not. And much as I despise the way Stephen Ireland has behaved he could be the difference if we end up in a play off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeNiro View Post
    It reminds of Dean Marney who scored a cracker for Spurs in one game and someone found out he had an Irish parent.
    That was discussed many moons ago here - http://foot.ie/forums/showthread.php?t=20946 - it was his great-grandparent who was Irish, despite being reported as qualifying for Ireland by the Star
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noelys Guitar View Post
    Trap like Charlton (Cascarino, Houghton, Aldridge, Houghton) and Giles (Heighway, Mancini, Dempsey, Rpbinson) will call up who he believes will help the team within Fifa rules. The pseudo morality you seem to be alluding too is laughable when you consider the make up of our country. We have nationalties friom all over.
    Heighway was a Dub like meself. He only moved to England as a child I think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seanfhear View Post
    Just out of curiosity why do FIFA keep changing the rules.
    The fundaments of the rule are the same just a a time limit has been removed for a player who has not been capped at senior competitive level.
    No big deal.
    Favours the player who has been ditched /made a choice way too young.

    Out of the lot that have mentioned, Barry Maguire would be a very good example of who this rule favours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seanfhear View Post
    Just out of curiosity why do FIFA keep changing the rules.
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    The cynic in me would think that this is just some sort of ploy by Sepp Blatter to get African nations onside, because no matter how we may benefit from these rule changes African Nations will be all over them especially when it comes to picking up French born players that may of played for France at underage levels but never progressed to senior level.

    Getting back to the Ireland thing, it's Trap's job to chose the best team available to him, if that includes O'Hara or Noble or Kilgallon or whoever so be it....one person it would definitely include is Stephen Ireland though
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    Quote Originally Posted by elroy View Post
    id be all for forgiving and forgetting but...
    We have a six million page thread on Stephen Ireland. Could we keep this bloody circular argument confined to it?
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    Another name I heard mentioned in an international uturn is Andy Lonergan of Preston. Could be a runner especially when you consider the Irish contingent already there. Don't think Henderson would be too impressed though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by francesco_1 View Post
    Do ye remember the talk about getting vinnie jones to play for us many moons ago
    ...and then he ended up Welsh! I remeber around the same time there was talk of Brian Kilcline playing too

    Is Lonergan any better than what we already have?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noelys Guitar View Post
    Trap like Charlton (Cascarino, Houghton, Aldridge, Houghton) and Giles (Heighway, Mancini, Dempsey, Rpbinson) will call up who he believes will help the team within Fifa rules. The pseudo morality you seem to be alluding too is laughable when you consider the make up of our country. We have nationalties friom all over.
    The above players were profesionals and always gave 100%. But football is different now. Some players only think about themselves and money.

    I've no problem with 'foreign' players playing for Ireland if they give 100% and play with pride. And with some many foreign nationals living here its one thing we have to accept.

    But for players to play us just to get an easy chance for a few caps and a move to a bigger club. Then no.

    I'd hate it if a player like Fahey, Mooney, Walters or Garvin to miss out on playing for there country because of some English player looking for few bob.

    But if a 'foreign' player would jump at the chance to play for us in the place of young Irish men (Stephen Ireland and Joe Murphy) who rather be on a beach than play for there country then let him play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by irishfan86 View Post
    I thought I'd also add some other players who could play for us as a result of this:

    Dave Kitson- Not sure he'd improve us but he could be an option (has turned us down before and I don't know if he would add to the squad).

    Anton Ferdinand- Could be useful given our lack of depth at centre-half.

    Gary Cahill- I know he's just been called up to the England squad, but I also read somewhere he is eligible.

    Kyle Naughton- May become an option later if England chances don't materialize.

    Barry Maguire- This ruling eases the pressure on him to make a decision in the next little while.

    Please add confirmation for these players if you know. I'm sure there are others out there as well that normally we wouldn't think of as well, so feel free to add others you know of.
    Phil Bardsley I think. Would be good addition.

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    Not this boll0x about Nolan again. Its bad enough that our current no 2 goalie is Kieron "good catholic boy, I love Ireland, not doing it for career advancement" my arse Westwood. Theres a difference between players who declare for us at an early age (Kilbane/McGeady etc) who are clearly interested in Ireland/consider themselves Irish and my above example. I think most Irish fans know the difference.

    If Westwood suddenly got signed by a prem team and then England came sniffing for some reason he'd leg it from the Irish set up faster than a hot snot on a cornetto.
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    Quote Originally Posted by as_i_say View Post
    If Westwood suddenly got signed by a prem team and then England came sniffing for some reason he'd leg it from the Irish set up faster than a hot snot on a cornetto.
    Unless you have some smoking gun piece of evidence that confirms he's of that mentality I don't think you should make these kind of stupid statements.

    I don't think anyone is calling for a return to the days of 8 or 9 British born players in the team, all this rule change does is is provide options for the National team, and it will help deepen our playing pool, something that is drastically needed - this is surely a good thing!

    Another player that would become available is Matthew Connolly from QPR...he could be worth a look
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    Ireland, the football team, should be representative of this country. People playing for this country should have things in common with the people living in this country. I cannot for the life of me understand how some people here would want the likes of Nolan, Kitson and the others who have previously declared to have no interest in playing for Ireland representing us. They represent nothing about me, in fact, it may well be that some of them have never even been to Ireland.

    A memory of mine from an Ireland match of years ago was Clinton Morrison making his debut, after weighing up the English, Jamaican and Irish option, and deciding that he hadn't a hope with England. He got a massive cheer upon entering the pitch.

    John O'Shea made his debut in the same game, someone who actually learnt his football in Ireland and won underage medals for us A respectful applause was received by him. Why do we champion these players who are born in England and elsewhere ahead of our own homegrown players? It strikes me as a massive inferiority complex.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wangball View Post
    Unless you have some smoking gun piece of evidence that confirms he's of that mentality I don't think you should make these kind of stupid statements.

    I don't think anyone is calling for a return to the days of 8 or 9 British born players in the team, all this rule change does is is provide options for the National team, and it will help deepen our playing pool, something that is drastically needed - this is surely a good thing!

    Another player that would become available is Matthew Connolly from QPR...he could be worth a look
    What you mean the "im not Irish as such, Im a good catholic boy" quote from him?

    http://www.sundaymercury.net/midland...6331-21135286/

    Get a grip. My 2 favorite Irish players of all time Gary Breen and Kev Kilbane were both British born. I've no problem with British born players playing for us-as a country that has our past history of emmigration to Britain we are always going to have british born players in the squad-but this lads inclusion is highly suspicious and opportunistic and there remains the possibility that if he is not capped as a full international in a years time then England may well come in for him.

    The Kevin Nolan thing is a total joke as well. As far as Im concerned both of them are on a par with Vinnie Jones playing for Wales along with random Brazilian rejects getting Qatar passports.
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    signing up half of the English U21 side will make us look like a laughing stock. Anton Ferdinand & Kevin Nolan? I bet they haven't even set foot in Ireland.

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