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    Quote Originally Posted by geysir View Post
    Ryan Johansson's father has confirmed that Ryan had not an irish passport when he first played international competitive football for Luxembourg

    Johannson’s father clarified the specific details of these paperwork issues in an interview of his own, in which he stated that at the time Johansson had first played for Luxembourg at Under-21 level, he did not have an Irish passport, whereas he did already hold both a Luxembourg passport and a Swedish passport.

    As nationality and citizenship are synonomous terms you can take it that Ryan is not entitled to declare for Ireland,
    It's possible that Ryan's foreign birth was registered but I'd say that's a longshot.
    Is FBR a unique Irish thing? My kids have Irish passports now but as of a few years ago neither was on the FBR. It'd have been absurd to say they weren't Irish eligible. They needed a FBR because I was born in UK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuttgart88 View Post
    Is FBR a unique Irish thing? My kids have Irish passports now but as of a few years ago neither was on the FBR. It'd have been absurd to say they weren't Irish eligible. They needed a FBR because I was born in UK.
    Your kids were eligible for Irish passports but not automically eligible because of the circumstances of your birth. they became eligible after you paid through the nose and registered their foreign birth. I think the irish grandparent thing came from de Valera, it's not a given right in other countries.
    Afaia the grandparent option does not exist in the British nationality law, neither does it exist in Iceland.

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    That's correct, geysir, and I suspect it's part of why the English media and commentariat made such a big deal or mockery out of our use of the "granny rule" over the years. My impression is that, because it was an option that the FA couldn't really avail of (since possession of citizenship has always been a prerequisite to playing for a particular country and the UK never granted citizenship based on grandparentage), they had some sort of perception that it wasn't the "right way" to do things or that it was somehow lesser.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DannyInvincible View Post
    That's correct, geysir, and I suspect it's part of why the English media and commentariat made such a big deal or mockery out of our use of the "granny rule" over the years. My impression is that, because it was an option that the FA couldn't really avail of (since possession of citizenship has always been a prerequisite to playing for a particular country and the UK never granted citizenship based on grandparentage), they had some sort of perception that it wasn't the "right way" to do things or that it was somehow lesser.
    RE: England’s attitude, I think you’re right. As far as I know, Hargreaves is only player to begin playing for England having never lived there before (raised in Canada and playing in Germany at time he got his first England cap). Contrast that with our situation where we’ve had various players over the years through the grandparent rule who certainly never lived in Ireland and possibly never even visited.

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    Quote Originally Posted by geysir View Post
    Your kids were eligible for Irish passports but not automically eligible because of the circumstances of your birth. they became eligible after you paid through the nose and registered their foreign birth. I think the irish grandparent thing came from de Valera, it's not a given right in other countries.
    Afaia the grandparent option does not exist in the British nationality law, neither does it exist in Iceland.
    Yep, agreed. But when were my kids eligible to play football for Ireland?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DannyInvincible View Post
    That's correct, geysir, and I suspect it's part of why the English media and commentariat made such a big deal or mockery out of our use of the "granny rule" over the years. My impression is that, because it was an option that the FA couldn't really avail of (since possession of citizenship has always been a prerequisite to playing for a particular country and the UK never granted citizenship based on grandparentage), they had some sort of perception that it wasn't the "right way" to do things or that it was somehow lesser.
    i think it's more simple than that. Our granny rule players almost all had English or Scottish (British) accents. They just didn't think they were really Irish. Big countries (that attract immigrants) just generally don't get small countries (that produce emigrants).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuttgart88 View Post
    Yep, agreed. But when were my kids eligible to play football for Ireland?
    With a Leinster league pedegree?? You are optimistic beyond rational realms.

    Your kids were eligible to play, possibly once you got off your backside and registered their foreign birth but definitely when you eventually coughed up the cash for their irish passports.

    More importantly in Ryan's case, considering only his grandparent/s were born in Ireland, if he did not have a irish passport before he played competively for Lux, he does not qualify for Ireland according to the letter of the Fifa statute.
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    Small thing I noticed. Okoflex deleted all pictures of himself in England kit from his Instagram. Probably means nothing but they were definitely removed!

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    https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/49639544

    Interesting to note the Wales under 21 manager refer to the "pathway".

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    Quote Originally Posted by ColourfulPeanut View Post
    Small thing I noticed. Okoflex deleted all pictures of himself in England kit from his Instagram. Probably means nothing but they were definitely removed!
    could be an act of self preservation. Can't imagine they'd go down too well with the Celtic faithful

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