Dave Rogers Sacked

**tiktok** · 25/05/2009, 8:20 PM

Originally Posted by eelmonster

Eh? It was Dundalk who went down to ten men, Rogers was sent off for flashing his arse, remember.

Yes it was, still, losing to St.Pat's at home is still rubbish, we should know.
I'll shut up now.

**Rovers Maniac** · 25/05/2009, 8:21 PM

Originally Posted by John83

To be fair, I kind of doubt his version of events was ever going to sway their decision, whether you subscribe to the cynical cost-cutting theory or not.

That said, not informing him sounds lousy - unless he means his agent was informed by their solicitor or something, in which case he needs to grow up (more so).

Regardless, not calling him in to discuss it could be technically against some labour law, which might give him his day in court.

Thats not the point you are entitled to it, you have to follow protocol when taking this type of action.

**John83** · 25/05/2009, 8:26 PM

Originally Posted by Rovers Maniac

Thats not the point you are entitled to it, you have to follow protocol when taking this type of action.

As I noted.

There are cases where that hearing being denied an employee is a terrible injustice, resulting in an unjustified sacking. This isn't one of them.

**Ezeikial** · 25/05/2009, 10:01 PM

I briefly lowered my shorts in what I considered to be an amusing gesture.

I have no doubt that is how Dave saw it, and I believe most (maybe even all) St Pats fans present thought it hilarious, and even more so when the red card transpired.

With the benefit of hindsight, I can now see that what I did was unwise.

This is a contender for the understatement of the year

I accept that the red card was fully justified and I am personally disappointed that I let the team, the fans and my manager down in such an important match.

Dave, you let us down very badly. You got yourself sent off, left us with 10 men, and you certainly seriously diminished our chances of 3 very important points.

While I accept that my actions were unhelpful to my team.......

This is getting worse......unhelpful? Are you serious or taking the **** out of us now?

I do not believe that they were offensive.........

Dave, your actions were enormously offensive to me and many other Dundalk fans; that you could do something so stupid to get yourself a red card. Have you any idea of the further damage that your actions have caused to the clubs worsening reputation as an indisciplined, uncaring, irresponsible team?

I am bitterly disappointed.

Me too Dave, me too.

**Dodge** · 25/05/2009, 10:19 PM

For the record most Pats fans didn't find it hilarious, just mildly amusing

Red card was hilarious, granted

**Rovers Maniac** · 25/05/2009, 10:20 PM

Originally Posted by John83

As I noted.

There are cases where that hearing being denied an employee is a terrible injustice, resulting in an unjustified sacking. This isn't one of them.

Rubbish talk, literally. You have no idea.

**Dunny** · 25/05/2009, 10:26 PM

Originally Posted by Dodge

For the record most Pats fans didn't find it hilarious, just mildly amusing

Red card was hilarious, granted

Do most of ye want him back?

**John83** · 25/05/2009, 10:45 PM

Originally Posted by Rovers Maniac

Rubbish talk, literally. You have no idea.

Curious. That's what your mom said.

I'd like to debate the point, but you haven't expressed one.

Perhaps you meant to say that an employee's right to have his say on an incident before being sacked is sacrosanct. I'd not argue it, beyond to say that I think it's a technicality here for which he'll get minor redress in court.

Perhaps you meant to say that you believe Rodgers's point of view might have actually held some weight in the decision. This I'd disagree with. On one hand, we have Rodgers mooning paying customers while in the uniform of his employer, costing them money (potentially, from many avenues), their good name (what's left of it), and simple embarrassment. On the other, you have him claiming, as he has to the press, that it was just banter. Given that these people have already considered the former to be a sackable offense, I'm pretty sure I know what they'd have thought of that defense.

Perhaps you meant to say that you believe that Rodgers actions are not sackable at all. I disagree, but considering my last point, I don't think it would have made any great difference regardless.

But you made none of those points, nor any others. You chose instead to call names, which says all I really need to know about you. And yes, I'll have fries with that.

**srfc1928** · 25/05/2009, 10:46 PM

As Rogers was sacked, is he allowed to sign for another club before July ?

**Ezeikial** · 25/05/2009, 10:47 PM

Originally Posted by Rovers Maniac

Rubbish talk, literally. You have no idea.

This type of dismissive post doesn't contribute anything, except perhaps as a display of ignorance by the poster.

Why do you think his post is "rubbish" or that he has "no idea"

Perhaps this link to Ctizens Advice section on 'Fair grounds for dismissal' might help you inform your opinion

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/ca...-for-dismissal

Gross misconduct may give rise to instant (summary) dismissal without notice or pay in lieu of notice. Examples of gross misconduct include assault, drunkenness, stealing, bullying or serious breach of your employer's policies and practices. Your contract of employment may contain further information concerning gross misconduct.

**Dunny** · 25/05/2009, 10:48 PM

Originally Posted by srfc1928

As Rogers was sacked, is he allowed to sign for another club before July ?

He's a free agent now afaik.

**John83** · 25/05/2009, 10:50 PM

Originally Posted by srfc1928

As Rogers was sacked, is he allowed to sign for another club before July ?

Yes, providing they aren't under a transfer embargo for breach of the salary cost protocol.

**Ezeikial** · 25/05/2009, 10:51 PM

Originally Posted by Dodge

For the record most Pats fans didn't find it hilarious, just mildly amusing

Red card was hilarious, granted

Sorry Dodge, I didn't reckon on you being so humbug. I really must not veer into hyperbole in future!

**Dalymountrower** · 26/05/2009, 7:27 AM

John 83 states
"Perhaps you meant to say that an employee's right to have his say on an incident before being sacked is sacrosanct. I'd not argue it, beyond to say that I think it's a technicality here for which he'll get minor redress in court." ]

Two recent unfair dismissal cases where the dismissal was overturned with re-instatement and costs and damages where there were minor procedural defects in dimissing the employee
(a) A Health Care Professional striking an intellectually disabled patient across the face
(b) Leaving a central security post in a place of detention while on duty.

If Rogers statement is true he will win his case or Dundalk will settle. No doubt the PFAI will contrast this with Dundalks leniency in respect of Connor`s unprofessional behaviour in the first game of the season attempting to goad Bohs fans in the stand.(for which he got a four match ban).

**Black and White** · 26/05/2009, 7:55 AM

Originally Posted by srfc1928

As Rogers was sacked, is he allowed to sign for another club before July ?

No Anto Flood was sacked by us 2 years ago for serious breach of contract and couldnt join shels til the window reopened, he did however trin with them for over a month so!

**Ezeikial** · 26/05/2009, 8:23 AM

Originally Posted by Dalymountrower

No doubt the PFAI will contrast this with Dundalks leniency in respect of Connor`s unprofessional behaviour in the first game of the season attempting to goad Bohs fans in the stand.(for which he got a four match ban).

They could also contrasts Dundalks' swift and decisive action with Bohemians 1 week suspension for Jason McGuinness for racial abuse

**seand** · 26/05/2009, 8:27 AM

Originally Posted by Dunny

He's a free agent now afaik.

Pretty sure he's not, otherwise clubs could conveniently 'sack' players mid season to facilitate transfers and bypass the transfer window.

**CMcC** · 26/05/2009, 9:20 AM

Originally Posted by John83

As I noted.

There are cases where that hearing being denied an employee is a terrible injustice, resulting in an unjustified sacking. This isn't one of them.

Wether the sacking was justified or not may quickly become irrelevant if Dundalk didn't follow their processes correctly. Seems strange that there wasnt even a hearing (which would be practise even in a Gross Misconduct allegation or Summary Dismissal situation). On the face of it the player seems to have a valid case.
I think Dalymountrower above illustrated some recent cases that show this.
I assume he received confirmation in writing at this stage with the right to appeal noted.

This may cost Dundalk a right few bob.

**redgav** · 26/05/2009, 9:36 AM

Originally Posted by Dunny

Would you ever ***** off Rico, Eoin Hand made a great point about the kids and parents at the game, and crap like that would turn them off taking them back to another game.

Whats more damning for kids to see ,some fella dropping his kecks to flash a bit of arse (provided these kids had binoculors to see ) or some fella racially abusing a fellow professional ,and admitting to it.What message does that send out to kids...."errah its ok little seanie ,call that black fellah a m***** but dont show the cheeks of yer arse or i'll bate ye black and blue"

**seand** · 26/05/2009, 9:55 AM

Originally Posted by redgav

Whats more damning for kids to see ,some fella dropping his kecks to flash a bit of arse (provided these kids had binoculors to see ) or some fella racially abusing a fellow professional ,and admitting to it.What message does that send out to kids...."errah its ok little seanie ,call that black fellah a m***** but dont show the cheeks of yer arse or i'll bate ye black and blue"

Dundalk didn't send out the message that racist abuse is ok though, Bohs did. (Sorry- Bohs didn't say its ok, they said its worth a one match ban.)