Dave Rogers Sacked

[Dodge]

What did he do for Keane when ye sacked him for being too fat?nothing cause he loves his beloved "Dublin" clubs.

Got him a 60k pay off actually, but continue to feel like you're being hard done by...

[Black and White]

Got him a 60k pay off actually, but continue to feel like you're being hard done by...

Didnt know that! my mistake. We actually are being hard done by and you cant deny it both on and off the pitch!

[CSFShels]

Didnt know that! my mistake. We actually are being hard done by and you cant deny it both on and off the pitch!

How? You sacked a player, with no warning, and didn't follow proper procedures, couldn't have, given how quickly it all happened, the board were kind of asking for the problems they'll now face.

[Black and White]

How? You sacked a player, with no warning, and didn't follow proper procedures, couldn't have, given how quickly it all happened, the board were kind of asking for the problems they'll now face.

Explain why he gets nothing if he joins Lisburn almost immediately?

[Dunny]

Hope he lines out for Distillery Tuesday. We can show him that new flag. Arsehole.

[Sam_Heggy]

Jeez, firstly everyone including God above is after Sean Connor, just because no-one likes him, then, McGuinness has the cheek to ask members of the PFAI to make a statement on their accounts of the saga. Disgraceful.

They are taking the proverbial now by having the cheek to ask for facts, its a witch hunt against Dundalk, Cork, Pats, Rovers, Shels, Derry, Harps, Monaghan, Athlone, Longford, Limerick, Galway, Cobh, Dublin City, Newcastle west, St Francis, Bohs, Wexford, Waterford, Bray, Kildare, Kilkenny, Drogheda, UCD, Sligo, Fingal and Mervue.

I think we should douse McGuinness in petrol until he just goes by what the club officials say and not listen to the players. I'll have a smigerette in my mouth so that's bound to scare him too.

[Black and White]

Jeez, firstly everyone including God above is after Sean Connor, just because no-one likes him, then, McGuinness has the cheek to ask members of the PFAI to make a statement on their accounts of the saga. Disgraceful.

They are taking the proverbial now by having the cheek to ask for facts, its a witch hunt against Dundalk, Cork, Pats, Rovers, Shels, Derry, Harps, Monaghan, Athlone, Longford, Limerick, Galway, Cobh, Dublin City, Newcastle west, St Francis, Bohs, Wexford, Waterford, Bray, Kildare, Kilkenny, Drogheda, UCD, Sligo, Fingal and Mervue.

I think we should douse McGuinness in petrol until he just goes by what the club officials say and not listen to the players. I'll have a smigerette in my mouth so that's bound to scare him too.

Nobody mentioned Sean Connor here so why bring that up?

And secondly, he didnt ask them for their account he asked them to give to him in writing a statement saying none of them are happy with whats going on.

[Ezeikial]

Word coming out of Oriel Park is that Stephen McGuinness wrote to every 1 of the Dundalk 1st team squad asking them to write to him and confirm that they are dissilushioned with the treatment of Rogers and that they are not happy with the current set up at Oriel park, he didnt get one response as according to a very good inside source, Rogers and another un-nmaed player are causing disruption at times during training sessions. McGuinness is a cheeky c!@t and deserves a slap, he has got it in for Dundalk FC ever since he took over that job of his and is always looking for an excuse to milk money out of us.

Stephen McGuinness works on behalf of his members, the players, and naturally is sometimes is in conflict with their employers.

I doubt if he "has it in for Dundalk FC", but his behaviour last year in relation to the first weeks wages issue (payment in advance or arrears) was poor and indicitive of someone who wanted to make a name for himself rather then build good relationships with his members' employers.

While he has every right to communicate with his members, I doubt if he would be working in their overall interests to try to embroil them in any action involving Dave Rogers.

[marinobohs]

While he has every right to communicate with his members, I doubt if he would be working in their overall interests to try to embroil them in any action involving Dave Rogers.

As they are members of the same union and (he says) have expressed concern at what happened Dave Rogers why is he wrong to ask for thier input ? In other employments his colleagues (other players) could/would go on strike to "support" a sacked colleague (and ensure an employer abided by proper procedure).

[Ezeikial]

As they are members of the same union and (he says) have expressed concern at what happened Dave Rogers why is he wrong to ask for thier input ? In other employments his colleagues (other players) could/would go on strike to "support" a sacked colleague (and ensure an employer abided by proper procedure).

Please read my post -

Originally Posted by Ezeikial

While he has every right to communicate with his members, I doubt if he would be working in their overall interests to try to embroil them in any action involving Dave Rogers.

In any case, from what I hear, it seems McGuinness has got very little support from other Dundalk players.

Strike? For many of these players, I might be hard to notice the difference (although Fridays preformance against Bray augurs well for change in player attitude/application)

[marinobohs]

[quote=Black and White;1175286]Nobody mentioned Sean Connor here so why bring that up?
quote]
Given Dundalks new found morality (if we are to believe it) why was Sean Connor not sacked for abuse/ incitement of "paying customers" V Bohs ?
Is the new morality confined to Dundalk paying customers ? is it okay as long as the infringement is against away fans ?

Hardly surprising that people are looking at the situation and seeking different reasons than that given for Rogers sacking.

PS If Rogers joins another club (as suggested) it would not preclude him seeking redress for wrongfull dismissal. it would probobly lessen the amount of any compensation (or the element based on loss of earnings) but would not rule out a claim.

[jinxy lilywhite]

How? You sacked a player, with no warning, and didn't follow proper procedures, couldn't have, given how quickly it all happened, the board were kind of asking for the problems they'll now face.

CSF you can summarily dismiss an employee without due procedures if the actions of the case warrant. I am no legal eagle but I would assume a contravention of the law like indecent exposure and gross misconduct would warrant this action. It is as I guess the cts will look at each case on their own merits but dfc have as much as a chance of getting the correct outcome as rogers does.

if rogers has proceeded with signing for lisburn then i am fairly certain he won't be taking an unfair dismissals claim to dfc as i'm certain (correct me if I am wrong) that Rogers is only able to get compensation for the length of time that he was out of work. I will check this out

[Ezeikial]

[QUOTE]

Are you referring to the "money in the back pocket" gesture in the first match, or was there a more heinouus crime (apart of course from taking €100K off Bohs for unfair dismissal)?

[Black and White]

[quote=marinobohs;1175392]

Nobody mentioned Sean Connor here so why bring that up?
quote]
Given Dundalks new found morality (if we are to believe it) why was Sean Connor not sacked for abuse/ incitement of "paying customers" V Bohs ?
Is the new morality confined to Dundalk paying customers ? is it okay as long as the infringement is against away fans ?

Hardly surprising that people are looking at the situation and seeking different reasons than that given for Rogers sacking.

PS If Rogers joins another club (as suggested) it would not preclude him seeking redress for wrongfull dismissal. it would probobly lessen the amount of any compensation (or the element based on loss of earnings) but would not rule out a claim.

Actually if he joins Lisburn he will get about 3 weeks wages compensation and im sure his legal bills will be that amount so what is the point. If a player joins another club after being sacked, he will get wages for the period that he wasnt employed, aka with Rogers atm, 3 weeks. I looked it up!

[Dodge]

[QUOTE=Black and White;1175410]

Actually if he joins Lisburn he will get about 3 weeks wages compensation and im sure his legal bills will be that amount so what is the point. If a player joins another club after being sacked, he will get wages for the period that he wasnt employed, aka with Rogers atm, 3 weeks. I looked it up!

Look again. If he signs for them for 500 per week, and he was being paid 900 a week by Dundalk, Dundalk could still be liable for the 400 per week

[bellavistaman]

McGuiness is a ****. FACT. TBF Rogers doesnt seem to be far off one either, we dodged a bullet there.

[Ezeikial]

[quote=Dodge;1175414]

Look again. If he signs for them for 500 per week, and he was being paid 900 a week by Dundalk, Dundalk could still be liable for the 400 per week

Valid point.

Of course for Rogers to be awarded any amount, he first has to take a case and establish it (or more precisely counter Dundalks claim that he was fairly dismissed for gross misconduct).

I suspect that Rogers and the PFAI may not be all that enthusiastic about exposing themselves (opps!) to more ridicule by persuing the case.

I wonder how Stephen McGuinness would square up his recent comment with Dave Rogers' behaviour:

"PFAI General Secretary, Stephen McGuinness, says players must be aware of their responsibilities as role models and that they have an obligation as professionals to give a positive message to the many fans both young and old who attend games and are associated with clubs."

[marinobohs]

[quote=Black and White;1175410]

Actually if he joins Lisburn he will get about 3 weeks wages compensation and im sure his legal bills will be that amount so what is the point. If a player joins another club after being sacked, he will get wages for the period that he wasnt employed, aka with Rogers atm, 3 weeks. I looked it up!

this depends on the forum to which he would take the case (EAT, Labour Court,Civil Courts). compensation can be awarded for "distress" "damage to reputation" "breach of procedure by employer" etc. This could be additional to compensation for loss of earnings. it is true however that the main consideration is loss incurred by the player. Any compensation would be based on the level of responsibility he incurred for his dismissal versus the level of responsibility on the part of Dundalk.

The most likely scenario is that the parties will agree a pay off figure on a confidential basis.

[marinobohs]

Are you referring to the "money in the back pocket" gesture in the first match, or was there a more heinouus crime (apart of course from taking €100K off Bohs for unfair dismissal)?

the "money in back pocket" gesture and money counting gestures. Is it OK in Dundalk to slag off paying customers as long as they are away fans ?

By the way dont go down the UD road until you see the outcome of Rogers case (Hypocracy is not a defence in Irish civil or Labour Law)

[Ezeikial]

this depends on the forum to which he would take the case (EAT, Labour Court,Civil Courts). compensation can be awarded for "distress" "damage to reputation" "breach of procedure by employer" etc.

The most likely scenario is that the parties will agree a pay off figure on a confidential basis.

Damage to reputation? You really have a quirky sense of humour!