Voting on 22 League current state.

[Macy]

Originally posted by Xlex
I don't know Pete, It would be a hell of a lot harder to do it now rather than when LTFC got promoted. Have to see if Waterford and Dublin City's (on Field) progress is sustainable.

And ours tbh. The 10 team league is extremely tight - it was only a couple of games from the end that we were safe from the play off, and again the previous season - yet we we finished a top half both times....

I do think that maybe it is time to consider going back to a 12 team league, as now there are a couple of clubs who should be capable of making a good fist of it if promoted. However, the last few seasons of the 12 team premier were ridiculous with teams being way out of the depth all season (and the unequal home and away's is a joke IMO)...

[Damon Umphy]

looks like bohs are voting no:

http://www.bohemians.ie/betanews.htm...gue:::10/01/04

cant blame them. the gulf in class is too great. personally, i can see no merits in a 22 team division. the weaker sides would only suffer more from getting hammered every other week by the likes of bohs, $h€l$, cork and patricks (look at kilkenny in 2000/01). from the premier division's point of view, which will draw bigger crowds, dublin derbies or the visit of say, athlone? financially, it could easily cost a number of clubs their very existance. rovers are only just staying afloat on what theyre getting now, the loss of three big "home" games against bohs, pats and shels could be the straw that breaks the camels back.

[SÓC]

Bring it back to 12, scrap the league cup play ever team twice home and away thats 44 games. Play the mid week ones when the weather is warm and its bright.

[Estar]

Originally posted by Éanna
the 10 team premier IS a disaster. the quality of football has improved, but that was happening anyway, so it has not had any real positive effects IMO

I'ts not a disaster, but I see where your coiming from Eanna. If 10 is so good why not make it 9. Going by some peoples lodgic it should improve the football standard again.

Kilkenny have come out in favour of 22.

It's creeping up the YES vote

[Estar]

Originally posted by SÓCcfc
Bring it back to 12, scrap the league cup

I think they made the league 10 because 12 did not work.

I enjoyed the League Cup last year, I know even Kildare put out their second team, but the matches against Athlone and Longford were good games to watch. I went to the League Cup final and it was as good if not better than the FAI Cup final.

[Xlex]

Originally posted by Estar
I went to the League Cup final and it was as good if not better than the FAI Cup final.

can't blame the teams.....

[dortie]

Originally posted by Estar


I enjoyed the League Cup last year, I know even Kildare put out their second team,

The league cup is still a trophy with 10,000 euro plus gate receipts as an incentive to win !!! Why would Kildare county put out a 2nd team I mean its not as if you were top of the first division ???

BTW: 12 team premier for me....22 is Just pants !!

[SÓC]

Originally posted by Estar
I think they made the league 10 because 12 did not work.

The main reason it didnt work was because of the stupid play each team three times system.

I'd be all for the league cup except that if you had 12 teams playing each other 4 its hard to see where you could fit in a league cup.

[Estar]

Originally posted by dortie
The league cup is still a trophy with 10,000 euro plus gate receipts as an incentive to win !!! Why would Kildare county put out a 2nd team I mean its not as if you were top of the first division ???

BTW: 12 team premier for me....22 is Just pants !!

Kildare County ended up with a total of -1 points for playing a un reg player. Dermot keely wanted the First Division tilte, nothing else mattered.

[atfconline]

Originally posted by Estar
Kildare County ended up with a total of -1 points for playing a un reg player. Dermot keely wanted the First Division tilte, nothing else mattered.

Were those points every actually deducted btw? I don't think they were.

[Roo69]

Originally posted by pete
I just can't accept Bray aren't takeing the lazy option. Their local derby next season will be UCD & all their dublin friends in the Premier division - no doubt they anticipating increased travel budget & reduced attendances.

Bray have really done nothing as far as i can see to improve their lot. The ground is still dire & don't think a 1st division club rumoured to be paying almost 1K a week to a certain player can moan too much about finances.



Longford ahve shown what is possible of any 1st division club & no club would have a smaller potential support base.

We cant do anything to strengthen or squad when we have no money to buy players, Devo brought in 2 players last year on Free's - Chris O'Connor and Robbie McGuinness.

The Ground is in rag order alright, but still better than a hell of a lot of other grounds around the place. As i write this the builders are working on the new stand, which will include new changing rooms, a bar etc.......

We pay no player any where near 1k per week - fact !

Our finances are actually in a pretty good state at the moment compared to most clubs, its run on a tight budget but its working at the moment ! just no transfer funds !

[Colm]

Originally posted by SÓCcfc
Bring it back to 12, scrap the league cup play ever team twice home and away thats 44 games. Play the mid week ones when the weather is warm and its bright.

That's certainly the best suggestion I've heard so far. However, it's still too soon, even bringing in an extra two clubs would be bad for the league imo simply because there are no clubs in the first division good enough in terms of stadia, footballing standard and the general way in which the clubs are run.

Originally posted by A face
And isnt the 22 team league just an easy way of avoiding putting in the effort. Clubs wont have to excel and improve. They just have it handed to them

That sums it up really.
Why should these clubs be given an easy ride when clubs like City, Longford, Bohs etc have made huge efforts to improve both their own clubs and the league in general.
If these clubs are not forced to make the effort in order to get into the premier then they will never improve and will drag the entire league down with them.

[adamcarr]

kilkenny have said they are going to say yes. i wonder if they only said yes cause they are the current worst team in ireland

[A face]

How many are we at now .... offically !!


Bohs : No


Bray : Yes
Kilkenny : Yes

Have any other clubs offically said how they will vote ??

[A face]

Originally posted by Xlex
Are you talking to yourself again A Face?

Yeah .... it is when i start talking back that i'll get worried !!

[atfconline]

Originally posted by A face
How many are we at now .... offically !!


Bohs : No


Bray : Yes
Kilkenny : Yes

Have any other clubs offically said how they will vote ??

Athlone have publicly come out against it.

[Estar]

Originally posted by atfconline
Were those points every actually deducted btw? I don't think they were.

As far as I know they did and a fine. We still finished bottom.

[SÓC]

Originally posted by Colm
However, it's still too soon, even bringing in an extra two clubs would be bad for the league imo simply because there are no clubs in the first division good enough in terms of stadia, footballing standard and the general way in which the clubs are run.

Bray are run well, and have a good team, currently working on stadium.

Sligo managed to make a profit in Division One and have a good stadium, not a great team tho.

Finn Harps are well run, good team and shocking stadium.

UCD are all three but no fans.

I suppose there no quick fix. They is no way of fixing the Jackeen Overdose. Even if we had a 16 team league as things stand we'd still have more than half the teams from the Pale. Think of it you'd have;
Bohs
Shels
Rovers
Pats
Dublin City
Bray
UCD
Drogs
Kildare

[Estar]

Shelbourne No
Bohemians No
Cork City No
Longford Town No
St Patricks Athletic No
Waterford United No
Shamrock Rovers No
Drogheda United website will debate
Derry City No
UCD No
Dublin City No
Bray Wanderers - YES
Finn Harps - YES
Limerick FC- YES
Kildare County FC - YES
Sligo Rovers - YES
Galway United - YES
Cobh Ramblers - YES
Athlone Town No
Dundalk- YES
Monaghan United No
Kilkenny City- YES

Yes 9
No 12
? 1

Going by the Irish Sun

If there was a vote for a 10 team Premier Division - Only Shelboure and Bohs would vote for it.

Surely this spells the end of the 10 team league.

There is a lot of teams all for a 16 team league.
Next year could be very important in Div 1.

[Dodge]

Originally posted by Estar
Shelbourne No
Bohemians No
Cork City No
Longford Town No
St Patricks Athletic No
Waterford United No
Shamrock Rovers No
Drogheda United website will debate
Derry City No
UCD No
Dublin City No
Bray Wanderers - YES
Finn Harps - YES
Limerick FC- YES
Kildare County FC - YES
Sligo Rovers - YES
Galway United - YES
Cobh Ramblers - YES
Athlone Town No
Dundalk- YES
Monaghan United No
Kilkenny City- YES

Yes 9
No 12
? 1

Going by the Irish Sun

If there was a vote for a 10 team Premier Division - Only Shelboure and Bohs would vote for it.

Surely this spells the end of the 10 team league.

There is a lot of teams all for a 16 team league.
Next year could be very important in Div 1.

Once again the tail wagging the dog…