QuoteDerry don't offer student tickets either
Two points on that tiktok.Originally posted by tiktok
it's simple.......
Number of college students in Cork............20,000+
Effort city is making to attract them.............0
If city got 1% of those students into the ground at 7euro each, it'd pay georgie's wages for the week. would the club be worse off for having them there..don't be daft.
You say there are 20k + students in Cork. Fair enough. But how many of them are from the areas surrounding Cork (ie the rest of the country!)? Lets say, for argument sake, 10k. Now that leaves another 10000 born in Cork, but its a big county, so that leaves, lets say, 6500 from Cork City and suburbs incl satellite towns. Now, most students are 17+, and not everyone is into 'soccer'. So lets bring that demographic down to 3500 who are into ball. Now, at the age of 17+, if you are not into City already, chances are, you never will be.
Now, for the other 10000, who are from the rest of the country. Lets say 7500 of tem go home every wknd, when we play. That leaves another 2500, who we must assume half have no interest in 'soccer' and have a grudge towards Cork because its to big and flashy, leaving 1250.
So of the 20000 we had initially, we now have approx 8000, of which about 50% are females, who, in general, have little or no interest in 'soccer', leaving our 20000 now at a mere 4000. Of that 4000, u say if we could get 1% of, that leaves 40 people. Now i'm no good at maths but €40 x €7 = €280, which, in the greater scheme of things, wont do much for us. Now i know its better than nothing, but what kinda marketing and at what expense need we go to to garner this €280?
From another view point, we have the returning students from around the country, who, will in all likelihood, go to a game anyway, if they have any interest in the 1st place.
So to try and promote CCFC to colleges is nonsense from a financial point of view. Christ i getting into a muddle here. It makes no sense either in the short or long term, as even if we do get a few ppl from the country to go to a few games, theyare invariably (most of anyway) going to leave Cork when they are finished their studies anyway.
Point 2:
You reckon a €3 discount will attract more punters thru the turnstiles? I think not. €3 isnt even an extar pint these days.
Jesus, i cant believe i spent all that time arguing about students! This home from work sick thing is getting to me.
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Derry don't offer student tickets either
and the award for the most sarcastic post ever goes to.......Originally posted by what biy!
CORNER ur totally out of line. to boost attendances we should target the students. give them what the want, discounts on tickets-no prob, provide free travel from ucc and cit to turners cross-no prob and what a student section- sure take the derrynane side between the kids inclosure and the corner boys.
can just picture it. some young kids watching billy woods run down the wing when all of a sudden there r these things sitting nxt to them who havent changed/bath since xmas and smoking on some of their ROLL UR OWN'S.
nxt home game theres nobody in the kids inclosure and the students r outside the ground protesting about how they want more. great isnt it
WHATBIY!
is OAP and children's money worth more than your's by that logic, or do you just hate all students?Originally posted by thecorner
these students have no interest in city
if they had, they would have been here along time ago
their money shouldnt be worth more than ours
Poor response but let's assume that those 20000 already in college here don't have any interest in city, there will be another 5000 students starting every year, shouldn't we give them an opportunity to make up their own minds about city by offering the discount rather than making it up for them....
c'mon Gary....you're reasoning suggests you're more intelligent than that. When I said 1% it was of 20000, I'd already included 'those who wouldn't avail of a discount' in the remaining 99% of students.Originally posted by Gary
You say there are 20k + students in Cork...edited for the sums......leaving our 20000 now at a mere 4000. Of that 4000, u say if we could get 1% of, that leaves 40 people
even after removing ALL the people you think wouldn't avail, you've still left us with 4000 people we can try and attract, that's twice our average attendance, shouldn't we chase that
very little Gary. All the club would have to do is to offer support (it need not even be financial) to any lads interested in setting up college branches of the supporters clubs. we know ourselves from the fourfiveone boys how much a bit of dedication and brainpower can achieve, why can't this be done again.Originally posted by Gary
Now i know its better than nothing, but what kinda marketing and at what expense need we go to .......?
exactly, it's not the price of a pint, so for students who are strapped for cash and in Cork on a Friday night, to spend seven euro to watch a football game is going to cost a lot less than 90 minutes in the pub.Originally posted by Gary
You reckon a €3 discount will attract more punters thru the turnstiles? I think not. €3 isnt even an extra pint these days.
I know the argument follows that the same could be said of ten euro, but my point is that the club should be making an effort to attract these students, by advertising a student rate around the college.
and Gary, even 280euro over 18 home games is five grand the club wouldn't have made otherwise.
ok, so by that logic the club should do an advertising campaign saying "if you're not a city fan by the time your 17, we don't want you"Originally posted by thecorner
these students have no interest in city
if they had, they would have been here along time ago
The simple fact of the matter is that if we had even 5 people taking advantage of a student discount who weren't city before, its 35€ the club wouldn't have made. As long as there are empty seats at the Cross, its potential gate money being missed out on and City should be trying to fill them
IS the average 15 year old allowed make their way home to a satellite town on their own late on a dark Friday night? Is that kids dad going to stay home from the pub so he can collect him? A lot of kids from outside Cork can't go to CCFC games til they're 17 anyway. So scratch that argument.Originally posted by Gary
at the age of 17+, if you are not into City already, chances are, you never will be.
You reckon a €3 discount will attract more punters thru the turnstiles? I think not. €3 isnt even an extar pint these days.
€3 imay be nothing to you, but it's a significant amount of cash to someone living on little over €100 a week. I can remember £2 being very important to me when I was a student. Going to a city game was a major financial outlay for me back then and I wouldn't have gone half as much if it wasn't for the discount.
I guess Gary and thecorner have never been students and don't understand the value students place on discounted events.
Surprised they haven't pointed out the fact that summer soccer means a lot of the students aren't around for a significant portion of the league. Maybe that's why there are no student tickets?
maybe they're just yearning for their youth (one of them is anyway)Originally posted by liamon
I guess Gary and thecorner have never been students and don't understand the value students place on discounted events.
Thats a very snobby, elitist comment LiamOriginally posted by liamon
I guess Gary and thecorner have never been students and don't understand the value students place on discounted events.
if you botheres to read my earlier post, you will have seen that i spent 3 years in college in Limerick and a while in the College of Comm in Cork. But pedantry aside, students dont value anything. Im sure you will find that the only students who are moaning are those who already avail of the grant, which they most likely píss up against the wall anyway on cider and sambuca. If a student is so bloody hard up for a few quid try this GET A FURKING PART TIME JOB. That what the rest of us have to do when we are short on cash. Jsut because you are a student dont mean you should be entitled to cheaper prices willy nilly. Some people work in badly paid jobs, you dont hear them screaming for discounts. Also, im sure you will find that an awful lort of these students are smokers. Do they think they should get a reduction on a pack of tabs? probably.
A students living is essentially studying. Studying is essentially mortgaging ones future. Its a badly paid job, like many people have. These students all they want is 'gimme gimme gimme'. Well here is another idea for you, take an example from abroad, get a bloody student loan, which you can repay when you are in the real world.
Now that you mention it, i hadnt thought of the summer, when most students have summer jobs, therefore earning money, so €3 shouldnt be a problem.Originally posted by liamon
Surprised they haven't pointed out the fact that summer soccer means a lot of the students aren't around for a significant portion of the league. Maybe that's why there are no student tickets?
What a non argument.
Last edited by Gary; 09/01/2004 at 11:03 AM.
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Hmmmmmm.......Originally posted by Gary
......students dont value anything. Im sure you will find that the only students who are moaning are those who already avail of the grant, which they most likely píss up against the wall anyway on cider and sambuca.....
Pot, kettle, blackOriginally posted by Gary
Thats a very snobby, elitist comment Liam
Gary, do you at least agree that the club should be doing more to attract the (by your calculations) 4000 college students who might be interested, whether a student discount was involed or not.
Why? I'm not looking down on anyone who didn't go to college. I'm just saying that you may not appreciate how students live unless yu've been in that boat.Originally posted by Gary
Thats a very snobby, elitist comment Liam
Students don't value anything? Sweeping generalisation that is so easy to argue against. Won't even bother.Originally posted by Gary
students dont value anything. ..... If a student is so bloody hard up for a few quid try this GET A FURKING PART TIME JOB. .... find that an awful lort of these students are smokers.
I think a lot of students work part time. I earned cash at w/ends when I was in college. My sister does same now. And most students work during the summer to save cash for college year, not to blow it on Friday night.
And most students that I know don't smoke.
Anyway, the basic argument for student prices is that it'll get extra people in the gate and create life long fans. I'm living proof of that. I'm not originally form Cork, went to college here and became a fan partly due to cheap tickets. Couldn't afford to go regularly at full price back then. And two other guys I go to the X with have the same story. I'm sure others have similar experiences.
Last edited by liamon; 09/01/2004 at 11:21 AM.
yes. and no amount of bitterness will change thatOriginally posted by liamon
Anyway, the basic argument for student prices is that it'll get extra people in the gate and create life long fans. I'm living proof of that. I'm not originally form Cork, went to college here and became a fan partly due to cheap tickets. Couldn't afford to go regularly at full price back then.
Not everyone gets a grant and not everyone is a Taoiseach's daughter who gets parents money to survive a student life.
Every time I make it down to the Cross I pay a train fare and miss a morning's work so yeah every Euro makes a difference.
If the club made sure everyone student getting a student ticket had valid ID and they were only sold from the cabin there would not be a problem.
They were getting screwed two seasons ago on the student price but if they tightened things up themselves, both sides might be winners.
How can anyone justify charging a 17 year old EUR10 to watch a cup tie?
You can't.
you're living in the past marge, stop living in the pastOriginally posted by Gary
i spent 3 years in college in Limerick and a while in the College of Comm in Cork.
Sure you were never a real student so..Originally posted by Gary
you will have seen that i spent 3 years in college in Limerick and a while in the College of Comm in Cork.
Nope, i disagree entirely. I hear they are paying great money in off licenses these days.Originally posted by Guerzy
This post infuriated me and i just had to register over it. What is the problem with students? I dont know if ye know this but most of us have crappy part time jobs on minumum pay and while we do go out and party college life is a financial struggle for most of us. Gary your post is well out of order and The Corner , i just cant say anything to you because you just cant help it. The Corner obviously didnt go to college. Otherwise he would understand and i dont blame you for being naieve and blind. Gary I am quite suprised.You should no better. Can you tell me that you never felt a financial strain while in college? I know ye have full time jobs or whatever but dont blame us students for furthering our education and hoping for a better future. This is the worst thread i have seen in ages and am quite suprised it wasnt deleted. How could you encourage a student to come to games when you have people like ye ready to slam them. student prices are standard all over the country and why shouldnt they be here.
You are all missing my point. If i have a badly paid job (which i do), i dont start crying that i have to pay €10 in the X (even though i dont). While i was in college, i went to the Cross every other sunday, paid FULL PRICE in, got a programme, and a can of coke and a mars bar (for me and my dad), and still had time to not complain about paying for the above. I also had time for part time jobs, getting studies done etc.
Anyway, ye are all wasting ye're time in college anyway. its for losers. There are no jobs anymore.
now, hows that for a sweeeeeeeeeping generalisation for ya liamon?????????
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Well said Gary. Look it's a few extra quid, just drink less beer and pay it!
Calling me a lickass is very immature. Me thinks it's about time you left college and got a job it might make you grow up. And of course you'd have less time to be moaning baout an extra few euros you have to pay every second week! And Gary again I'll say well said you made some excellent points.
And when I was young, I worked for 25 hours a day down the coal mine, ate a handful of cold gravel, got beaten by my Dad and paid 12 shillings for the privelige of it.Originally posted by Gary
While i was in college, i went to the Cross every other sunday, paid FULL PRICE in, got a programme, and a can of coke and a mars bar (for me and my dad), and still had time to not complain about paying for the above. I also had time for part time jobs, getting studies done etc.
Those were good days.
I get your argument Gary, but I think you're missing our point. While students may well be whinging muppets, it's in CCFC's interest to attract in scummy students with discounts.
Originally posted by Guerzy
But agin you miss the point. Just because you paid full price that doesnt mean there shouldnt be an option for students. Gary your college life must have been ideal. Some of us dont have the parents that fork out cash every time we ask for it. And thanks to college i'm going to be getting a better job and a better life. So college isnt a waste of time. Gary it sounds to me that you have a grudge against college life and the people that choose it
Name me one person you know who went to college in recent years and got a job directly from their course.
Guerzy guerzy guerzy, you are obviously not reading what Im saying(typing). I worked 3 nights a week in Limerick, if u call DJing work, i worked saturdays, and sunday mornings in Cork.
Hmm, my folks really gave me an easy go of it. But i got on with it. Most people do. I dont hear any of you muttering that there isnt a student price to get into some stupid nightclub on saturdays? Why would that be? And there any discounts on the drinks, or ol dolls in the clubs either.
whats ur point guerz. come on man, spit it out.
Admit it, you know im right, but you've dug such a deep hole now u cant get out of it.
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You had it easy!Originally posted by liamon
And when I was young, I worked for 25 hours a day down the coal mine, ate a handful of cold gravel, got beaten by my Dad and paid 12 shillings for the privelige of it.
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