Not to mention Burnleys premiership scalps this season (Including the Spurs one which if had been played in any other Cup in the world would have gone down as a Burnley win)
I thought Sheff United played really good football for the first 65 minutes on Monday night. Far from just being hoofball. The game was a good advert for Championship footy.
Not to mention Burnleys premiership scalps this season (Including the Spurs one which if had been played in any other Cup in the world would have gone down as a Burnley win)
Think you can probably speak for Ealing Green as well to be frank.....Originally Posted by Gather round
Ok then D69, I speak for all the deleted post(er)s. Predictable, inane comment about NI gets predictably challenged by NI supporters
Think the comment was actually about Scotland with a little bit of NI thrown in to be honest and was far removed from what's gone on on that subject in the past, it was an obvious throw away one liner which garnered a predictable response, I'll give you that much.Ok then D69, I speak for all the deleted post(er)s. Predictable, inane comment about NI gets predictably challenged by NI supporters
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anyone think that Owen Colyle is going a good job at Burnley then.
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I saw them Live at WHL, and also followed their progress in other games via the TV (as much as possible).
Do they always play 4-5-1, with Paterson* (or Akinbiye?) the lone man up front, or is that just a tactic they use for certain opponents e.g. Chelsea, or when they have injuries amongst their strikers?
I've enjoyed what I've seen of them and would love to see them get promoted to the EPL and stay there. But they seems to me very much a case of "The Whole being greater than the Sum of the Parts" i.e. Coyle has got them tremendously well organised, and each player gives 100% effort etc.
However, I can't in truth see too many Premier quality individuals in the ranks, so that should they meet Premier opponents who are similarly well organised and who have done their homework on them, then the opponents' superior individuals should prevail.
I say this on the basis of the two games against Spurs, where Burnley were the better team for about 150 mins out of the 210. But when Spurs "cut out" in the remaining 60-odd minutes (2nd half at WHL, Extra Time at TM), their superior class told. And tbh, there are a few better teams than Spurs in the EPL
So I'd be afraid that if Burnley did go up, for all Coyle's best efforts once they got there, if he cannot afford to spend on EPL-quality players, they'd struggle to stay up. In which case, Burnley could have trouble holding onto him.
* - Do you think Paterson is going to go "all the way"?
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You attempt to presume too much, based on knowing next to nothing about Owen.Yeah, you're right, why would be attracted to managing Scotland? After all, he was only born and brought up there. And played for 12 Scottish clubs. And managed two Scottish clubs before moving to England.
Much more likely that he'd prefer ROI, on the basis of a seven minute appearance as substitute for the ROI in a friendly in Tillberg, at the age of 28, following the FAI's exhumation/discovery of his Irish Granny (or whatever). The fact that he was never remotely good enough to play for Scotland obviously had nothing to do with it...
How many Scottish born, do you think, hold an Irish passport? How many consider themselves Irish or even Sottish and Irish?
It's quite natural for us to have the eye over Owen Coyle. I have been impressed with his character for a long time.
As for managing his country one day, who knows? If he had the ability, a lot of it is down to a vacancy and him being available at a time in his career when that challenge suits him.
But as a successor to Trap, I doubt it, wrong time for both parties.
He represents Ireland every year in the Sky Sports Legends competition... so there!Much more likely that he'd prefer ROI, on the basis of a seven minute appearance as substitute for the ROI in a friendly in Tillberg, at the age of 28, following the FAI's exhumation/discovery of his Irish Granny (or whatever). The fact that he was never remotely good enough to play for Scotland obviously had nothing to do with it...
Have you seen what these threads turn in to if we let them run their course?
Owen Coyle is one of the most promising young managers around.
He has done a briliant job to get Burnley within one game of the premier league.
If they do go up it would be one hell of a job to keep them there.
Why is it ludicrous? Many International managers have had a lot less experience than Coyle yet have gone on to do well at International level - Hughes, Klinsmann, (possibly not Staunton) and Mick had less experience but got us to one kick from the last eight.
Watching his football and listening to how perceptive he is you can see that he is one for the future - wouldn't compare him to Jewell (career went on a landslide after his affair) or Bothroyd (A fallacy of a scientific manager with his longball football and preconcieved quotes).
Personally think he will become a top manager and if his alliegence to Ireland is in question, as our future fellow countrymen appear to suggest, surely better to get hold of him sooner rather than later. Irrespective, he is a million times better than Venables and half of the crap touted for the Ireland job prior to Old Trap.
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Its really not that complicated!!!
At the moment at Burnley it's not a worry if they will stay up it's more lets get there first then worry .
The thing about OC what hits me is that he has gone so far this season with Nothing , and I mean nothing to spend at all really . He did get a few players in at the start of the season Chris Eagles which was important as he only came because the style of play OC wanted from the team , of course the cash he was getting paid also .
But like a lot have said who knows what will happen to him he is in the spot light at the moment and fair play to him , all the fans at Burnley want is just one chance at the big time become a yoyo club for six seasons and then stay where so many people in the Burnley area want them to belong .
Anyone got any spare tickets for the final on the 25th
Good luck on the 25th.At the moment at Burnley it's not a worry if they will stay up it's more lets get there first then worry .
The thing about OC what hits me is that he has gone so far this season with Nothing , and I mean nothing to spend at all really . He did get a few players in at the start of the season Chris Eagles which was important as he only came because the style of play OC wanted from the team , of course the cash he was getting paid also .
But like a lot have said who knows what will happen to him he is in the spot light at the moment and fair play to him , all the fans at Burnley want is just one chance at the big time become a yoyo club for six seasons and then stay where so many people in the Burnley area want them to belong .
Anyone got any spare tickets for the final on the 25th
Dear oh dear...
Someone opens a thread about a promising young manager, with a connection to ROI, and wonders whether he might one day become the ROI manager. Fair enough.
I merely pointed out the danger of going too far down the "Sure isn't he one of us?" route in Coyle's particular case, on the basis that he is also "someone elses".
Indeed, considering his entire background and career etc, it is my opinion that all other things being equal*, he would be more attracted by Scotland, than by ROI.
All of which was enough to bring "the usual suspects" out to lambast me, on the basis that due to my own background etc, I must automatically be anti-ROI and prejudiced.
Of course, I should have risen above this, but I must say I find your post especially irritating, since you presume to lecture me - someone who is British and Irish - about the concept of Dual Nationality.
Worse, you accuse me of being someone who "presumes too much", whilst referring proprietorially to the prospect of Coyle one day "managing his country". Any reasonable observer would have termed it "managing one of his countries"; unless you don't consider that Owen Coyle is also Scottish, and might just conceivably have a greater affinity to the land of his birth, then "the land of his eight minutes"?
* - A dangerous assumption to make, since there is a strong case to make that the Scotland job is a significantly "bigger" one than the ROI position. Or am I being prejudiced for holding that opinion, too?
Not at all, you were politely brought to task, based on the content of your post, the usual chip laden sarcastic post with opinion based on knowing nothing.
Of course, I should have risen above this, but I must say I find your post especially irritating, since you presume to lecture me - someone who is British and Irish - about the concept of Dual Nationality.
Who can forget that,
I have been presuming to lecture you on Dual Nationality for about 2 years now and with good reason
There you go again with the 8 minutes.Worse, you accuse me of being someone who "presumes too much", whilst referring proprietorially to the prospect of Coyle one day "managing his country".Any reasonable observer would have termed it "managing one of his countries"; unless you don't consider that Owen Coyle is also Scottish, and might just conceivably have a greater affinity to the land of his birth, then "the land of his eight minutes"?
The country to which he aligned himself in football matters to, is Ireland. He still plays for Ireland. It is an accurate comment to make, that Ireland is his country when it comes to football matters. His nationality is Irish, he holds an Irish passport and is very proud that he came close enough to getting on the WC squad. Doesn't mean that his "Scottishness" is wiped out.
For a dual national yourself you have very little appreciation of the national sentiments of a Dual National and easily sneer at this man's Irishness, a sneer based on "he only played for 8 minutes" while ignoring all the other elements in his life, in Scottish society where Irishness has been engrained for generations.
It's just a significantly irrelevant opinion and probably more appropriate for the playground - a place you probably would feel more at home.* - A dangerous assumption to make, since there is a strong case to make that the Scotland job is a significantly "bigger" one than the ROI position. Or am I being prejudiced for holding that opinion, too?
Not sure if you're prejudiced (actually I am, you are) but you are talking nonsense as usual, of this I'm 100% certain.
Bigger in what sense? Better paid - no. Better players - not in recent times. Bigger attendances at International matches - no way. Better record in International football in the last 2 decades - not a chance though I'll counter your ridiculous argument that I know is coming next (predictable you most certainly are) that yes they may have done better in some qualifying rounds for the finals in the past few years without either team actually making it but let's be honest who cares? Only NI fans judge their team on relative levels of abysmal failure.
What I will say is two World Cup last 16 appearances and a quarter final to boot in fairly recent times is a better measure of success than performing slightly better in a qualifying group but still failing by a distance to make the final.
I've travelled all over the world and people in every country I've been to and worked in are more knowledgeable about Irish players and the Irish football team than they would be about Scottish players or the Scottish international team and that includes my time living in England.
Remind me how many times have Scotland made it to the knockout stages of a finals competition in their history again? Look that one up in your history book.
The Scotland job is certainly significantly bigger than the Northern Irish one, however.
P.S. I noticed you were very quiet with the rankings postings for the last year or so while ROI were ahead of NI (in fact I commented on your noticeable absence a number of times when rankings were discussed) but as soon as the situation reverses you're back up to your old tricks posting the FIFA rankings every opportunity you get. Does nobody else on here notice these cycles in EG's behavioural patterns? Are you a real person or an automated posting application that's activated whenever NI appear higher than the Republic in the FIFA rankings? And one of your cronies had the nerve to say I was predictable? If it wasn't so tragic it would be funny. Anyway I predict you'll go quiet on the rankings front again fairly soon for an extended length of time.
Last edited by youngirish; 15/05/2009 at 4:56 PM.
Here was my original post on the topic (#8):
"Has the potential to become a great manager, but I can't see him managing ROI, tbh.
For one thing, international management is no longer the pinnacle of a manager's career - see, for example, how Mark Hughes, Walter Smith/Alec McLeish, even Lawrie Sanchez were notably successful with Wales/Scot/NI, before joining clubs which could hardly be described as huge. Therefore if Coyle can manage in the Premiership, either with Burnley or someone else, why would he want to move? David Moyes, for example, could have had the Scotland job had he wanted it, but has never shown any interest.
Speaking of which, even if Coyle did fancy a spell managing an international team as a "stepping stone", I'd imagine he and Scotland would appeal more to each other than he and ROI.
Of course, the sort of money Trapattoni is on would likely tempt him, but Coyle is hardly a big enough "name" for some Sugar Daddy to offer him a package comparable to Trap's. And let's be honest, Trap wouldn't have accepted the ROI job when he was an up-and-coming manager around Coyle's age, either"
There is nothing remotely "chip-laden" about that, nor worthy of provoking the invective which followed from "the usual suspects", who only have to see my name over a post to start the digs and sneers etc, with little or no relevance to what I had actually posted.
From what I see, you've been lecturing everybody on just about every topic under the sun, I daresay for a good deal longer than 2 years....I have been presuming to lecture you on Dual Nationality for about 2 years now and with good reason
Anyhow, my point was that Coyle has both Scottish and Irish Nationality; from looking at his background and career, it is not unreasonable to deduce that he is at least as likely to be tempted by the prospect of managing Scotland as he is ROI - a possibility dismissed out-of-hand by a number of posters on this thread.
If you insist on "accuracy", then his footballing country is "Republic of Ireland". And of course he holds an Irish Passport - it comes with representing ROI at football. But do you know that he doesn't also possess a British Passport?
As for his pride in nearly making the senior ROI squad - no doubt that is so. But that doesn't mean he wouldn't have been equally (or more?) proud to have played for Scotland. But considering that the Jocks had strikers like Ally McCoist, Jukebox Durie and Kevin Gallagher then available to them, for all his goals with lesser clubs, Coyle will never have been in contention (like Tommy Coyne, the man he replaced in Holland?)
My "8 minute" sneer was not at Coyle, for I've no doubt he was proud to get them. Rather, it was pointed at those ROI fans who automatically claim Coyle (exclusively) as "one of our own", whilst overlooking the fact that he is at least as Scottish as he is Irish.
My opinion that the Scotland job is arguably "bigger" than the ROI job is not at all irrelevant to a discussion over which of the two might be more likely to appeal to Coyle.
It is easy to forget that most successful football managers are very ambitious and career-oriented etc. To take a notable example, Martin O'Neill could have walked into the NI job any time he wanted, ditto the ROI job. Yet he has never shown an interest in either. Meanwhile, he applied to manage England.
Quite honestly, the only reason this can have appealed to so (otherwise) proud an Irishman as O'Neill is that the England job is in every respect bar trophies one of the "biggest" in international football.
So remind me again, what is particularly "playground" about that opinion?
As I see it, the only antics which are fit for the school playground come from those who cannot accept someone like me coming on here and daring to express an opinion which contradicts the norm.
Anyone think that Owen Coyle could be a good manager for the future. Doing great work at Burnley.
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