Owen Coyle

[Drumcondra 69er]

As seemingly the only Blade on here(only just seen the thread) I think a bit of defending the old team is called for.

My view is much like ourselves 6 years ago all them cup matches are gonna catch up with & correct me if i'm wrong Burnley don't have a big squad(22-23??) so unless they score a few early it will be a tight game(as always is between us 2) & end up 2-1. Gonna have to say to the Blades but with our play-off final history I'm to wise now to make such bold statements as to say we'll trounch you lot but I do think our luck has to change some time(hopefully)

P.S. Ward will be lucky to play - touch & go with his injury & even then I doubt he'll make the squad as others are returning from injury. But you can marvel at S.Quinn run round like a headless chicken allday then pop up with 1 piece of genius to change the match.

Best of luck but having witnessed you manager's previous wittless attempt in the play offs first hand (against a team he'd taken 4 points off that season) I'd be concerned for you!

[Den Perry]

I wholeheartedly agree. I dont often agree with what EG, GR et al post, but their different perspective is respected and welcomed imo. Plus some people get awful worked up on this site if a thread doesnt stick wholeheartedly to the narrow remit of the title thread.

Agree, different opinions are welcome, but the problem EG and GR is that they start to insult people, trying hide the fact that they've lost the argument. However as I've said before,those people will never admit they're wrong...

[geysir]

Best of luck

Has to be the one of the most (in a polite sort of way) hypocritical good wishes offered to an opposition team/supporter.

Best of luck ........... but I hope your striker has a stinker.

[ifk101]

Agree, different opinions are welcome, but the problem EG and GR is that they start to insult people, trying hide the fact that they've lost the argument. However as I've said before,those people will never admit they're wrong...

You're not all that innocent yourself now are you?

I think EG was right regarding Owen Coyle in that if he becomes successful within the British club game, he's unlikely to be attracted to the international football scene. As things currently stand though I'm sure the FAI are more than happy with Trapattoni and perhaps will look to extend his contract. Failing that Liam Brady is likely to take over imo.

Anyways I think the FAI should be looking to more actively promote from within and use the U21 job as a training ground for potential senior managers.

[youngirish]

Me too, but not when there are deliberate and petty attempts to wind up & that's exactly what EG's first or second post on this thread was there for.

It's funny that out of all the live threads on all the various current topics EG decided only to post a comment relating to a Scots born & bred Irish international. I think some people here jump down EG's throat for the sake of it at times but on this ocacsion his contribution was 100% negative and he didn't have the good grace to accept the pretty well informed replies that followed.

Now if he'd had a swipe if the topic was Bernie Slaven he may have had more of a point (or may not, I know f all about Slaven's heritage).

The problem I have with EG is that he appears to be so anti-ROI I find his opinion difficult to take seriously. He's obviously only here to push his own agenda and wind other posters up imo. Look up some of his statements regarding the ROI wanting to take over NI and such X-Files like paranoid nonsense and you'll get the picture. When has he ever said anything even remotely positive about the ROI football team in all his years on here?

Gather round I have no problem with. I think his posts are more objective and fair though I will respond in kind when he sticks up for EG and picks on one of my posts.

[geysir]

I think EG was right regarding Owen Coyle in that if he becomes successful within the British club game, he's unlikely to be attracted to the international football scene.

You mean, in the middle of all the sneers, the grossly uninformed comment, the persistent cynical refusal to acknowledge that Owen Coyle was not the man to deride his Irishnes on, his immature backtracking in a futile attempt to put a different colour to his jibes, the obvious bitterness of his agenda.

that in the middle of all that, EG made a patently obvious point.
Well done for spotting that.

[Stuttgart88]

Anyways I think the FAI should be looking to more actively promote from within and use the U21 job as a training ground for potential senior managers.

Yikes, Don Givens!

[ifk101]

You mean, in the middle of all the sneers, the grossly uninformed comment, the persistent cynical refusal to acknowledge that Owen Coyle was not the man to deride his Irishnes on, his immature backtracking in a futile attempt to put a different colour to his jibes, the obvious bitterness of his agenda.

that in the middle of all that, EG made a patently obvious point.
Well done for spotting that.

It's his first post in this thread that I was referring to. The waffle and drivel in between, (I know its waffle and drivel when you become involved), I have chosen to ignore.

Yikes, Don Givens!

Aye, it's time for the U21 position to be reviewed and given direction and purpose

[Den Perry]

You mean, in the middle of all the sneers, the grossly uninformed comment, the persistent cynical refusal to acknowledge that Owen Coyle was not the man to deride his Irishnes on, his immature backtracking in a futile attempt to put a different colour to his jibes, the obvious bitterness of his agenda.

that in the middle of all that, EG made a patently obvious point.
Well done for spotting that.

Exactly...

IFK, I would consider you naive if you think EG posts for reasons other than to wind up the vast majority on this site.

[paul_oshea]

You're not all that innocent yourself now are you?

I think EG was right regarding Owen Coyle in that if he becomes successful within the British club game, he's unlikely to be attracted to the international football scene. As things currently stand though I'm sure the FAI are more than happy with Trapattoni and perhaps will look to extend his contract. Failing that Liam Brady is likely to take over imo.

Anyways I think the FAI should be looking to more actively promote from within and use the U21 job as a training ground for potential senior managers.

You want don givens as senior manager?!

[EalingGreen]

IFK, I would consider you naive if you think EG posts for reasons other than to wind up the vast majority on this site.

Here is what I originally posted on the topic of Coyle, and the possibility of his becoming ROI manager one day:

"Has the potential to become a great manager, but I can't see him managing ROI, tbh.
For one thing, international management is no longer the pinnacle of a manager's career - see, for example, how Mark Hughes, Walter Smith/Alec McLeish, even Lawrie Sanchez were notably successful with Wales/Scot/NI, before joining clubs which could hardly be described as huge. Therefore if Coyle can manage in the Premiership, either with Burnley or someone else, why would he want to move? David Moyes, for example, could have had the Scotland job had he wanted it, but has never shown any interest.
Speaking of which, even if Coyle did fancy a spell managing an international team as a "stepping stone", I'd imagine he and Scotland would appeal more to each other than he and ROI.
Of course, the sort of money Trapattoni is on would likely tempt him, but Coyle is hardly a big enough "name" for some Sugar Daddy to offer him a package comparable to Trap's. And let's be honest, Trap wouldn't have accepted the ROI job when he was an up-and-coming manager around Coyle's age, either"

How is any of that deliberately provocative/off-topic/disrespectful of the ROI etc? It is merely my opinion which, whether anyone agrees or not, was argued coherently and with examples to support it etc.

Yet that alone evinced a number of posts (since deleted) accusing me of being on a "wind-up" etc. Now considering it was the same few people as always react so, I should have risen above this, but seeing as those replies directly attacked both my team and me personally, I allowed myself to respond in kind - something I will try harder to avoid in future.

Nonetheless, when I go back to what I actually posted, and being as objective as anyone can, I can still only conclude that rather than my being on a "wind-up", by far the greater problem is that some people are far too easily wound-up.

Now of course I could avoid all such controversy by "retreating back to my laager" on OWC etc, and posting amongst friends "what a bunch of cnuts they all are on foot.ie etc". But I genuinely do not believe that, or anything like it.

On the contrary, I greatly enjoy this forum and so will not allow the sneers and jibes of 'the usual suspects' to drive me away from debating sensibly with those other sensible posters who, imo, comprise the great majority of this Board.

[youngirish]

Here is what I originally posted on the topic of Coyle, and the possibility of his becoming ROI manager one day:

"Has the potential to become a great manager, but I can't see him managing ROI, tbh.
For one thing, international management is no longer the pinnacle of a manager's career - see, for example, how Mark Hughes, Walter Smith/Alec McLeish, even Lawrie Sanchez were notably successful with Wales/Scot/NI, before joining clubs which could hardly be described as huge. Therefore if Coyle can manage in the Premiership, either with Burnley or someone else, why would he want to move? David Moyes, for example, could have had the Scotland job had he wanted it, but has never shown any interest.
Speaking of which, even if Coyle did fancy a spell managing an international team as a "stepping stone", I'd imagine he and Scotland would appeal more to each other than he and ROI.
Of course, the sort of money Trapattoni is on would likely tempt him, but Coyle is hardly a big enough "name" for some Sugar Daddy to offer him a package comparable to Trap's. And let's be honest, Trap wouldn't have accepted the ROI job when he was an up-and-coming manager around Coyle's age, either"

How is any of that deliberately provocative/off-topic/disrespectful of the ROI etc? It is merely my opinion which, whether anyone agrees or not, was argued coherently and with examples to support it etc.

Yet that alone evinced a number of posts (since deleted) accusing me of being on a "wind-up" etc. Now considering it was the same few people as always react so, I should have risen above this, but seeing as those replies directly attacked both my team and me personally, I allowed myself to respond in kind - something I will try harder to avoid in future.

Nonetheless, when I go back to what I actually posted, and being as objective as anyone can, I can still only conclude that rather than my being on a "wind-up", by far the greater problem is that some people are far too easily wound-up.

Now of course I could avoid all such controversy by "retreating back to my laager" on OWC etc, and posting amongst friends "what a bunch of cnuts they all are on foot.ie etc". But I genuinely do not believe that, or anything like it.

On the contrary, I greatly enjoy this forum and so will not allow the sneers and jibes of 'the usual suspects' to drive me away from debating sensibly with those other sensible posters who, imo, comprise the great majority of this Board.

You're right EG. Sorry to have got it so wrong. There is nothing in your first post that could be construed as offensive or liable to intentionally wind people up.

Now that I think about it it was your second and third posts (since deleted) that were the wind ups.

Speaking of the same few people reacting whatever happened to Lopez?

[EalingGreen]

Your right EG. Sorry to have got it so wrong. There is nothing in your first post that could be construed as offensive or liable to intentionally wind people up.

Thank You.

Now that I think about it it was your second and third posts (since deleted) that were the wind ups.

It was my original post which "provoked" [sic] snide responses etc from others, said responses causing me to lower my standards* in my second and third posts etc


* - Though even then, I still don't see how eg posting without comment the current FIFA Rankings and WC2010 Qualifying Tables, in response to a post basically calling the NI team crap, qualifies as a "wind-up". Oh well.

[youngirish]

* - Though even then, I still don't see how eg posting without comment the current FIFA Rankings and WC2010 Qualifying Tables, in response to a post basically calling the NI team crap, qualifies as a "wind-up". Oh well.

In fairness EG I can't see any early posts implying that NI were crap only a throwaway comment about young players. I personally only weighed in after the rankings and the derogatory comments were posted .

[Wolfie]

Is this a football forum lads or marriage counselling?

[Den Perry]

Thank You.

It was my original post which "provoked" [sic] snide responses etc from others, said responses causing me to lower my standards* in my second and third posts etc


* - Though even then, I still don't see how eg posting without comment the current FIFA Rankings and WC2010 Qualifying Tables, in response to a post basically calling the NI team crap, qualifies as a "wind-up". Oh well.

zzzzzzz......

[youngirish]

Is this a football forum lads or marriage counselling?

I see it as both.

To stay on topic Owen Coyle is brilliant.

[gustavo]

No option but to lock the thread really , Requests to stay on topic ignored. If anyone wants start a thread actually discussing Owen Coyle feel free to do so.