Irish teams are usually in the 'Northern Group' when it comes to the UEFA Cup / Europa League, so our teams would normally be drawn against Nordic / Baltic states -is this no longer the case?
I'd actually sooner see our sides seeded in the first round so that we could actually win some ties (as well as pick up valuable experience)!
Derry got seeded because of the draw with PSG, Pats got a point because of the draw with HerthaOriginally Posted by refjohn
Up to now, qualification rounds didn't count for clubs ranking
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AFAIK Derry got 3 points for winning there 1st 3 games (IFK twice and Gretna once) a half point for drawing 2nd leg with Gretna and in the 1st round proper one full point for the draw with PSG.
So if you think Bohs are big read this. http://www.astronomy.ie/perpespective.html
Those earlier points counted for the national co-efficient only. The point against PSG was the only one to go towards the club co-efficient and is therefore the one which will see them seeded this year.
The only one that counted towards your club ranking was the draw with PSG.
The rest counted towards the country score alright but the only ranking point Derry earned for themselves is the one v PSG.
Look at the stats here. Only 3 Irish clubs have an individual ranking. Derry, Pats and Shels and we're the only 3 to play in the UEFA Cup first round in the last 5 years. Shels got nothing for their games with Split or Glentoran, but a draw at home to Nantes got them that point
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Fair enough - I only mentioned the run as I couldnt remember where and how the pts were allocated
its fairly confusing stuff all the same...
I like high energy football. A little bit rock and roll. Many finishes instead of waiting for the perfect one.
It is confusing,so the points won by Derry,Pats and Shels are shared / by however many clubs in that particular competition.
Does the point earned by all three of us in the 1st round proper also go towards the national co-efficent?
Jeez I could get into this,sounds like great craic
So if you think Bohs are big read this. http://www.astronomy.ie/perpespective.html
Up until this year the country co-efficient was the total points won, divided by how many teams enetered Europe. so last year it was the points earned by Drogheda, pats and Cork, divided by 3. Any individual points earned (not from qualifiers) could then be added to this to give a club ranking. At the moment the LOI co-eff is 1.889 while Pats, Derry and Shels are 2.899
No point learning it now, its all changing an points will be based on what round you exit...
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That is just for the club co-efficient in the qualification rounds though. The national co-efficient will still be based on results, even in the qualifying rounds, while the club co-efficients from the group stage onwards will also be based on results.No point learning it now, its all changing an points will be based on what round you exit...
See Annex II of this document: http://www.uefa.com/multimediafiles/...1_download.pdf
Lets see if I've got this right.
Basically what that's saying is that the only real change to the current system is that teams will get individual points for all qualifying rounds [based on were they exit], and not just from the first round proper as before.
The national co-efficient will pretty much be worked out the same as before, only with more teams from each association the calculation will be slightly different . [And, just to muddy the waters, they might fudge some of the percentages in the calculation]
Yeah, I think at one point I had it for about 15 minutes a couple of years ago.No point learning it now, its all changing an points will be based on what round you exit...
No point learning it now, its all changing an points will be based on what round you exit...
WTF..........I've just been reading some guy called Bert and his interpetation of this for the past 8 hrs!!!
I come back on here and ye tell me it's all changing!!!!!!!!!!!
Only jesting, but it is a bit on the JC mad side.
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So if you think Bohs are big read this. http://www.astronomy.ie/perpespective.html
got my ticket yesterday
They are selling them already?
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Yep, for season ticket holders, 400 club members etc. The number on the ticket I got was over 100, I think they're selling them in order too.
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That's correct. There is more staying the same than is changing. The change you highlight in your first paragraph and also the national co-efficient will only account for 20% (rather than 33%) when working out a club's co-efficient.
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See that's the bit that gets me [why I talk about fudging the numbers]. Surely this is related to the number of teams representing a country. And should go to 25% (ie 4 teams instead of 3). Or is that taken into account somewhere else in the calculation?
As someone else already said I thought I understood it, for about five minutes.
Ok, I see how this might be confusing alright.
The national co-efficient in any one year is equal to the sum of all the club co-efficients from a particular country divided by the number of clubs from the country.
So last year the national co-efficient for Ireland was the Drogheda, St. Pat's and Derry co-efficients added together and divided by three.
However, Scotland had four clubs in Europe so their national co-efficient last year was the sum of these four clubs divided by four - it's just a matter of finding a mean co-efficient for their clubs. It was just a co-incidence that we had three clubs and therefore divided by three.
Whereas the national co-efficient above explains how many teams we get into Europe and where we enter, where the 33% / 20% thing comes in is in deciding how our clubs will be seeded in the relevent rounds.
The seeding for a club is equal to their club co-efficient plus 20% of their national co-efficient (last year it was equal to the club co-efficient plus 33% for the national co-efficient).
Therefore this year we see that Sligo have a seeding figure equal to 20% of the Irish co-efficient from the last 5 years = 1.899. However, Derry and St. Pat's have both earned 1 club point each in the last 5 years so their seeding is 1 + 1.899 (the 20%) = 2.899.
Reducing the seeding percentage from 33% to 20% therefore rewards clubs who have higher club co-efficients.
http://www.setanta.com/uk/Articles/F...fs/gnid-55300/
Fifa president Sepp Blatter has announced that five referees will be used during the first ever Europa League campaign next season.
A principal referee will still be in charge, as well as two linesmen, but the big news is that Uefa and Fifa have decided to put two more officials behind each goal during the entire competition.
The addition of two officials will help the man in black to have two more eyes on each penalty area and will make his task easier.
This new measure is a test and could become general in the close future if it proves fruitful and improves the game.
“In agreement with Michel Platini and Uefa, we have decided that Uefa will test this new measure during the Europa League, not only during group stages but until the end [of the competition],” Blatter said.
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