It beggars belief

[JohnB]

What a gift.

[lopez]

Originally posted by JohnB
You'd be surprised how much a susceptible mind can absorb without knowing it.

Failure as a 'researcher' now trying his luck as a psycho-analyst!

Originally posted by JohnB
Interesting, how long did you live in NI for?

None. To save you posting again, as I get the feeling you're looking for an exit plan, my 'first hand' experience of NI is from countless visits and my wife's family. I don't know why you didn't get straight to the point, but I suppose that was too hard for you to comprehend. The next move in that overrated brain of yours is to bring out the line of the Army Groupie: 'You've never lived there, so what do you know?' The thing is that I'd probably have more in common with someone growing up in a sh*t Belfast council estate than a pampered half - wit from the Malone Road with a private school education. If you think I don't then you really are a w*nker. By the way, Davros lived in the O6C. Maybe that's part of the reason you've thrown your rattle out of the pram and stopped talking to him.

Originally posted by JohnB
This is getting tedious. You objected to British military insignia on the OWC site being posted as part of a debate on the war in Iraq, did you not?

The masthead had three military flags with 'Our Wee Country: 100% behind our boys and girls in the gulf.' Where's the debate here? Yes it is getting tedious because you won't answer my questions. If you can't answer A: where did I object to any debate on the war? and B: how well is the British Army regarded in working class Catholic areas in NI, the same working class kids that the IFA are trying to entice to WP? then f*ck off back to your mates on ourweeminds where you can rant away to fellow eejits who will nod their heads all day in neck-aching agreement.

Originally posted by JohnB
Born in England, live in England, work in England, converse in English. But if you feel that strongly about it, I'll accept you're not in the least bit English.

Someone else who hasn't heard of Jus Sanguinis. Dear me the ignorance of some people. Still doesn't stop them supporting a team with not only plastics but with players whose connections are that they simply have a British passport. At least the Army Groupie was able to grasp this. Shows the gap in intelligence between the pair of you, doesn't it?

Originally posted by JohnB
You hate the country you were born, and live in,

Again research man, where did I say I hated the country I live in? Come on, WHERE? I live here because I do LOVE it - what do you think I'm under some sort of house arrest? - unlike yourself who loves his 'country' so much that he has f*cked off to Aberdeen. Be honest for once in your seven posts on here, the problem for you is that I don't support England. Ahh, diddums! Does that make you want to rip up your pokemon cards?

Originally posted by JohnB
and you get an ego boost because you've had a mention on the web site you despise. Self-loathing is very damaging Lopez, you can pass that on to Davros the prod too when you see him. When you and he get together, who wears the gimp suit and who does the whipping? I'm guessing you're the one who licks under the rim of the toilet seat.

Originally posted by JohnB
Didn't think you'd get that, it takes a bit of self awareness to understand. I'll let you live in ignorance though, rather than spoon-feeding you.

Ignorance seems to be about your only specialist subject.

Originally posted by JohnB
Oh, and Davros, as you seem to be Lopez's gimp, I'm refusing to respond to your posts. Organ grinders and monkeys and all that.

Lucky bloke!

[JohnB]

Failure as a 'researcher' now trying his luck as a psycho-analyst!

You're obsessed with my line of work aren't you Lopez? Don't worry about it mate, don't feel so intimidated. Although I enjoy it, it's not that well paid.

None. To save you posting again, as I get the feeling you're looking for an exit plan, my 'first hand' experience of NI is from countless visits and my wife's family. I don't know why you didn't get straight to the point, but I suppose that was too hard for you to comprehend. The next move in that overrated brain of yours is to bring out the line of the Army Groupie: 'You've never lived there, so what do you know?' The thing is that I'd probably have more in common with someone growing up in a sh*t Belfast council estate than a pampered half - wit from the Malone Road with a private school education. If you think I don't then you really are a w*nker. By the way, Davros lived in the O6C. Maybe that's part of the reason you've thrown your rattle out of the pram and stopped talking to him.

I'll add inverted snobbery to your list of bogotries. I was thinking of exploiting your ignorance, but you seem a little overwrought, so I'll let you off this time by telling you where I'm from. I was brought up on a council estate on the Shore Road (that's in north Belfast ).
'Countless visits'? Lopez, you're making a fool of yourself.

Someone else who hasn't heard of Jus Sanguinis. Dear me the ignorance of some people. Still doesn't stop them supporting a team with not only plastics but with players whose connections are that they simply have a British passport. At least the Army Groupie was able to grasp this. Shows the gap in intelligence between the pair of you, doesn't it?

Questioning where you're from really hits the spot, doesn't it?

Again research man, where did I say I hated the country I live in? Come on, WHERE? I live here because I do LOVE it - what do you think I'm under some sort of house arrest? - unlike yourself who loves his 'country' so much that he has f*cked off to Aberdeen. Be honest for once in your seven posts on here, the problem for you is that I don't support England. Ahh, diddums! Does that make you want to rip up your pokemon cards?

I think you'll find I'm still in the UK. Your hatred is evident from your anti-British posts all through this thread. I take your word for it that you like that particular corner of the UK you live in, but there are other parts that you obviously hate.

The masthead had three military flags with 'Our Wee Country: 100% behind our boys and girls in the gulf.' Where's the debate here? Yes it is getting tedious because you won't answer my questions. If you can't answer A: where did I object to any debate on the war? and B: how well is the British Army regarded in working class Catholic areas in NI, the same working class kids that the IFA are trying to entice to WP? then f*ck off back to your mates on ourweeminds where you can rant away to fellow eejits who will nod their heads all day in neck-aching agreement.

You and your gimp seem desperate to get rid of me Lopez, that's not very nice now is it? You'll find on the OWC site that everything is up for debate.

Also, you don't seem to be aware of the thousands of members of the British armed forces hailing from the catholic community north and south of the border. You'll also find that many members of the nationalist community give their support to the security forces. But then, not being from NI, you wouldn't know that, would you?

[nifan]

Davros,

are you trying to wind this up further? Why do you persist with calling the whole owc site bigoted and calling it ourweebigots or whatever. Obviously cherry picking what you want there. Looking at your posts alone i dont know what anyone would think of this site!

[Éanna]

Thankfully, he's far from representative of users on this site.

[nifan]

Originally posted by Éanna
Thankfully, he's far from representative of users on this site.

I see that Éanna, unfortunately its sometimes that have least to say that say the most and annoy everyone.

As has been pointed out i think this site is similar in theme to the OWC site- it has its share of "zany" characters as well

[dahamsta]

Looks like we need a new mod here. Everybody shut up before I start kicking asses.

adam

[lopez]

Originally posted by JohnB
I'll add inverted snobbery to your list of bogotries. I was thinking of exploiting your ignorance, but you seem a little overwrought, so I'll let you off this time by telling you where I'm from. I was brought up on a council estate on the Shore Road (that's in north Belfast ).

I'd be interested to see you try to exploit my 'ignorance'. Your point is that not coming from NI or not having lived there entitles me to no knowledge of the place. Tell you what a blinkered view of NI I have, I had this bloke around replacing my windows where I used to live. Beggar supporter (well supported them in the previous year's World cup - perhaps no more a beggar than you), lived in Luton and originally from a well - known town out south - west NI. Told me about his last job in NI and the religious discrimination he suffered there, eventually leading to his dismissal. I believed every word of it, as I had nothing to doubt him. Guess what religion he was and what was the religion of his employers? He was Protestant and his employers were Catholics. No! Not everything in this world is so f*cking black and white is it?

Originally posted by JohnB
'Countless visits'? Lopez, you're making a fool of yourself.

Researcher, psycho-analyst and now mindreader. It wouldn't matter to you how many times I've been over and how much I'd seen would it?

Originally posted by JohnB
Questioning where you're from really hits the spot, doesn't it?

Not as much as that post about me not being English winds you up? There is no secret to where I'm from. You just seem to be obsessed that as I'm not an FBI born and bred with a shillelagh up my a*se makes me someone trying to be more Irish than the Irish themselves. BTW, Dav was born in Ireland, so you can't put him in the same category as me.

Originally posted by JohnB
I think you'll find I'm still in the UK.

Now NI is not a separate country but part of the UK. The wallpaper to your universe is changing by the minute.

Originally posted by JohnB
Your hatred is evident from your anti-British posts all through this thread.

My 'anti-British' posts are confined to the fact that thanks to a bunch of reactionaries and an elevated minority, blackmailed a gutless but legally elected British government into partitioning Ireland.

Originally posted by JohnB
I take your word for it that you like that particular corner of the UK you live in, but there are other parts that you obviously hate.

Being such an ardent campaigner over bigotry, I would be interested to hear your assessment of Owen's article of us in the World Cup. I mean, did you think it was, to paraphrase so many of your fellow posters on OWM, 'only a bit o' craic'? Did you post on that site that this was perhaps out of order, in the way that Eanna did to Davros and many have (including me, shock! horror!) about fans booing players with Rangers connections at Ireland games?

Originally posted by JohnB
You and your gimp seem desperate to get rid of me Lopez, that's not very nice now is it? You'll find on the OWC site that everything is up for debate.

Not at all. I was saddened when Army Groupie went and I'm getting the impression that you are looking to bow out soon. Hopefully it will be more gracefully than AG. I see you're now trying to spin a line about me and Dav. Hardly surprising from someone who's 'national' hero is a seventeenth century Dutch a*se bandit. Keep it up sweetie as far as I'm concerned (oh but that's self-loading. Just can't win can I?). Perhaps when we've flogged ourselves enough you can take us both for a stiff'un down the Blue Oyster Bar?

Originally posted by JohnB
Also, you don't seem to be aware of the thousands of members of the British armed forces hailing from the catholic community north and south of the border. You'll also find that many members of the nationalist community give their support to the security forces. But then, not being from NI, you wouldn't know that, would you?

Oh I'm so sorry. The events of 30 January 1972 were just a figment of my imagination. So too were the 148 Catholic civilian victims of the security forces from 1969 to 1989 compared with 25 Protestants, even though the Protestant population is 30% greater. Opinion polls suggest that 3 to 6% of NI's Protestant population favour an reunification with the south. That's between 30 to 60 thousand people. Does that mean that Protestants are nationalist? You really are living in Disneyland aren't you. Yes, there are 'thousands' of Irish Catholics that joined the British armed forces (my uncle joined them), but that figure took a dive after 1972. In fact 1972 was freefall year if the limited people that I know in the British Army that year tell me. This is the crux. Why, put up such a sensitive display of military jingoism on a web site of the 'cross-communal' football team? And you've still not answered my question, where did I object to a debate on the war, or messages of support for troops?

[JohnB]

I'd be interested to see you try to exploit my 'ignorance'. Your point is that not coming from NI or not having lived there entitles me to no knowledge of the place. Tell you what a blinkered view of NI I have, I had this bloke around replacing my windows where I used to live. Beggar supporter (well supported them in the previous year's World cup - perhaps no more a beggar than you), lived in Luton and originally from a well - known town out south - west NI. Told me about his last job in NI and the religious discrimination he suffered there, eventually leading to his dismissal. I believed every word of it, as I had nothing to doubt him. Guess what religion he was and what was the religion of his employers? He was Protestant and his employers were Catholics. No! Not everything in this world is so f*cking black and white is it?

What a guy!

Researcher, psycho-analyst and now mindreader. It wouldn't matter to you how many times I've been over and how much I'd seen would it?

Yes.

Not as much as that post about me not being English winds you up? There is no secret to where I'm from. You just seem to be obsessed that as I'm not an FBI born and bred with a shillelagh up my a*se makes me someone trying to be more Irish than the Irish themselves. BTW, Dav was born in Ireland, so you can't put him in the same category as me

Given the current quality of your posts, I'm thinking of moving you into the gimp category also.

Now NI is not a separate country but part of the UK. The wallpaper to your universe is changing by the minute

Handy that isn't it? By the way, people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Exactly what part of Ireland is Luton in?

Being such an ardent campaigner over bigotry, I would be interested to hear your assessment of Owen's article of us in the World Cup. I mean, did you think it was, to paraphrase so many of your fellow posters on OWM, 'only a bit o' craic'? Did you post on that site that this was perhaps out of order, in the way that Eanna did to Davros and many have (including me, shock! horror!) about fans booing players with Rangers connections at Ireland games?

Trying to deflect the flak eh Lopez? Check my posts on OWC, I object to any form of bigotry anywhere.

Not at all. I was saddened when Army Groupie went and I'm getting the impression that you are looking to bow out soon. Hopefully it will be more gracefully than AG. I see you're now trying to spin a line about me and Dav. Hardly surprising from someone who's 'national' hero is a seventeenth century Dutch a*se bandit. Keep it up sweetie as far as I'm concerned (oh but that's self-loading. Just can't win can I?). Perhaps when we've flogged ourselves enough you can take us both for a stiff'un down the Blue Oyster Bar?

You'd like that wouldn't you? But, erm, no thanks. Your memory must be fading Lopez, check back through the thread, both you and the gimp have told me to feck off back to the OWC site.

Oh I'm so sorry. The events of 30 January 1972 were just a figment of my imagination. So too were the 148 Catholic civilian victims of the security forces from 1969 to 1989 compared with 25 Protestants, even though the Protestant population is 30% greater. Opinion polls suggest that 3 to 6% of NI's Protestant population favour an reunification with the south. That's between 30 to 60 thousand people. Does that mean that Protestants are nationalist? You really are living in Disneyland aren't you. Yes, there are 'thousands' of Irish Catholics that joined the British armed forces (my uncle joined them), but that figure took a dive after 1972. In fact 1972 was freefall year if the limited people that I know in the British Army that year tell me. This is the crux. Why, put up such a sensitive display of military jingoism on a web site of the 'cross-communal' football team? And you've still not answered my question, where did I object to a debate on the war, or messages of support for troops?

Thanks for the information on the opinion poll, it really hadn't crossed my mind that some protestants may favour breaking the link with the UK

There are still large amounts of Irish catholics who serve in the British armed forces. There are also many Welsh, Scottish and English who's opinion on Ireland is that it should be one unified state.

In the recent war in Iraq a young Irish guard from Dublin was killed. Do you think he and others just like him would have been offended by a show of support on OWC? I think not.

[dahamsta]

Take it to PM girls.