It beggars belief

[lopez]

Originally posted by gspain
The east Donegal NISC...have been around over 10 years although not very prominent as far as i know.

Probably although got this from their web site - 'The first trip to Belfast was made by a few fans independently of each other versus France Wednesday 18th August 1999'.

Originally posted by gspain
We also have Rangers fans who also support us. This would only become an issue in the past couple of years with the morons at Lansdowne. It may be too big a leap to assume a hidden agenda of these people but if allowed to prosper they could succeed in making our national side a Catholic/Republican icon.
The Superprods at Windsor effectively do the same thing.

I'm not supporting this, but the hard facts are that only 5% of the population of the 26C is Protestant. I know loads of English (not plastics) RCs who think they are more loyal to the queen than any Orange Lill from Sandy Row. I'd doubt they'd let a few nutters from the fringes of Calvinism to swing this.

Originally posted by gspain
Whether the GAA is sectarian/racist or not is open to debate but they are effectively a Catholic organisation and protestants don't play their games. Sam Maguire and Jack Boothman are exceptions.

I'd suggest this is down to the schools they attend, and where there is a different sporting curriculum. Do they play Gaelic Sports at Wesley College or Middleton? I don't and have never played any Gaelic games because of where I grew up and the school I went to. I'm hardly an ideological bedfellow of the EDNISC.

[Beavis]

Originally posted by lopez

I love Spain and hope their team wins Euro 2004.

Just as I was reading through Lopez,I see you were supporting both teams and the World Cup and had to ask...Who did you cheer for on that fateful night in Korea?

[gspain]

Lopez appreciate the numbers are small - RoI is 93% RC according to the last census but it is still important.

BTW comments were passed in the U.S. during the 94 WC that the Irish fans must be racist as although blacks play for the team how come all the fans are white?

[gspain]

Originally posted by davros
er,not quite on behalf of the Dub.mixed-race Chinese & 2 Irish-African fans I've met @ Lansdowne.................plus yours truly.....!

I know it is not true. And Ireland is a lot more mixed than it was 10 years ago,

We had 3 black players in our team and I can see how they cam eto the conclusion but obviously not true.

Of the 6 Irish fans in Bursa the night before our 99 playoff 2 were German based Iranian Muslims who had been following us since Euro 88.

[JohnB]

Popular thread this. I'm interested to see that earlier in the thread, supporting the troops in Iraq or, more accurately, having a debate on the war was seen by Lopez as unacceptable on a football forum. I can't see how getting rid of a maniac like Saddam was a bad thing, but there you go.

Also, I find it strange that some of the most strident anti-OWC comments on both this and the GAA web site come from people who weren't even born in Ireland or who have mixed nationality. I think it's something to do with having to over compensate for not quite feeling Irish enough. Sad.

On a more positive note, I wish the Republic all the best in the WC qualifiers. You'll find that amongst NI supporters there's a broad range of opinions on the RoI team, many people (probably not the majority though) wish the Republic all the best unless they're up against us, or doing a bit too well. Very good site, by the way, nearly as good as ours.

[WeAreRovers]

Out of sheer boredom in work I checked out OWC and some of the stuff on there "beggars" belief". The threads about the WC qualifiers against Wales and England are particularly sad, especially the bit about England and NI fans getting a hard time off the media - the poor wee bigoted, racists.

They're even talking about having a bit of a booze up together when the Hackett wearing English scum come to Belfast. Also the ignorance about Wales and Welsh culture is shocking coming from so called British people. They might get a bit of a shock when the Cardiff City "Welsh not British" fans arrive in Belfast (with some of their mates from Dublin )

KOH

[lopez]

Originally posted by Beavis
Just as I was reading through Lopez,I see you were supporting both teams and the World Cup and had to ask...Who did you cheer for on that fateful night in Korea?

I was wearing a green shirt that day.

[lopez]

Good morning JohnB, one of my wee fans from ourweeminds, and welcome to foot.ie. First of all it's great to be up there in the pantheon of the enemies of the little boys on OWM - Derek Dougan, Jerome Quinn, Stephen Breen, that bird who wrote the excellent play 'One Night In November' (I thought it was sh*te until I found out how much it offended the ranks of WP). Maybe they can't be arsed replying to your comments, which is appalling manners I know, but it's not something I'm going to be accused of.

I saw on your OWM profile that you are a 'research scientist'. It could be a p*ss-take (we had someone on here claiming to be a gynaecologist as a laugh - the clue was that he spelt it wrong) because you assume that I'd hail The Boxer as a realistic portrayal of NI society two hours after I called it a load of cack (I might have to re-evaluate that opinion now, though). Where's the research here? In fact if you are the benchmark for British science, it's no wonder my shares in British Biotech have gone down quicker than Ron Jeremy on Tracy Lords in Anal Slutz 3.

On OWM you called me 'a bigot masquerading as a pseud...who's uncertain of his identity and over-compensates to show his ultra nationalist loyalty...[and] a loser' while Davros was 'narrow minded.' First of all there is no point addressing questions to Baalti Jam Session, aka Duncan Gardner (who must be ruing the day he ever confessed to knowing me) as he has gone AWOL and is more than likely back on the Ruby Murray big time. Secondly, your statement is about as laughable as Bernard Manning calling me and Dav fat, racist, b*stards. Uncertainty of our identity? Again can you believe that someone can come out with such a statement from a part of the world where revelry in a defunct empire, celebration of the victory of a Dutch Homosexual 300 years ago, and dated fascination with Britain's highest paid dole drawer and her dysfunctional family, long after anybody else gave a toss, are seen as positive attributes, all part of a pathetic effort to elevate themselves as more 'British' than those on the 'mainland'? This is what is truly sad here. I and others on this forum, the first generation born abroad, often the only difference between them and their parents is the place they were dropped, often finding that they have to apply for citizenship for the country of their birth as if they were like their parents, are simply honouring their heritage. The day we man the barricades in Kilburn, Hammersmith or Digbeth and unilaterally declare them parts of the Republic, while confining the minorities to second class citizenship, is the day you can lecture us on our 'ultra nationalist loyalty.' Still at least you know there's only one 'g' in bigot, unlike a few of your fellow posters.

As for military matters, if you again done your 'research', you would find that my objections were against a site of a team aiming to embrace a community with a history of animosity to the British Army, placing insignia of this force on the homepage. Personally you could put up a picture of Billy Wright in a thong for all I care, but it hardly helps the IFA in its ill-fated quest for 'football for all.' Where did I say I objected to either the discussion of the war, messages of good luck, or that I am George Galloway in disguise? C'mon smarta*se, where did I write any of these things? Again there's that little word called 'research' which you seem incapable of getting to grips with.

As for that photograph left for me by the Army Groupie - sadly he has left this site for the sanctuary of OWM - boo, hoo, hoo - so he can talk about military matters with his Boys Brigade mates and pretend to know the first thing about any of it- I would have thought you would have got some tans to hold the flag. I hold the American forces in great esteem. If it wasn't for them (and the Red Army) we'd be having this conversation in German. I know you'll find a few that will disagree with me IF your newly found blood brothers come over to Belfast for their World Cup qualifier, but I personally find nothing positive had there been a Nazi victory...apart from never having to had endure Vanessa Feltz and David Baddiel on the telly. What happened to the Army Groupie's RIR pals. Tell him to f*ck off and stop bothering them? And what was that about the flag being the wrong way round? Talk about petty! Was it someone's birthday part and you all overdosed on that cheap supasava Asda cola and birthday cake. I wouldn't know, let alone care, which way the NI flag goes but I do know that the Stars and stripes on one of the soldier's arms was round the right way. And what was that with blacking out the faces and rank? Did you expect that Osama reads the site? (It's funny I know, but not that funny!) Shame you didn't black out the US flag, as that would have sent me bonkers having to look at what I thought were tans.

I see that we also have BeggarBhoy on here now. BB, I hope you wiped your nose before coming on this forum. Don't come crying to us when you step on someone's toes on OWM, as anybody with a pseudonym like yours will. I can see Dog Breath checking up on all your quotes now. Wonder what he, and the Chief Constable of the Bigotry Police, JohnB, will make of your statements about booing at Lansdowne Road on another thread (you're not getting any clues from me mate. Find it out yourself!)

For anybody else from OWM reading in, thanks for your comments. It has made me laugh senseless and given my plastic mates down the pub plenty to laugh at as they go on OWM looking to have a giggle, erm, sorry, looking to be offended. I've had a visit from two detectives from Operation Ore concerning the fascination by so many pre-pubescent boys for a Mr. Lopez, but apart from that my ego has been boosted big style, which I presume was not the original intention. JohnB, I know you are looking to replace Dog Sh*te on my signature below. Forget about. I don't want to be responsible for the poor lad's rejection if I take it off.

[lopez]

Originally posted by davros
It wasn't that Green Depor.no.,you were wearing the last time,a significant Irish-Scots cultural sporting assoc.,played in London?!

Perhaps it should have been!

[lopez]

Originally posted by gspain
We had 3 black players in our team and I can see how they cam eto the conclusion but obviously not true.

I've always come to the same conclusion with Holland. I've seen just one black fan in Orange despite watching Ireland against them 10 times. Unlike Ireland - well before 1998 at least - non-white faces are hardly uncommon in the Netherlands.

[Duncan Gardner]

Au contraire, Lopez. I am very much here, and delighted to continue your (hitherto unsuccessful) political re-education.

Which reminds me, I have been reading your thesis and will reply separately in a few days.

Though not back on the curry, I am under strict instruction to lose 25% of me, that's about 25Kg. Dunno if it'll be the Catholic part that goes though...

Actually it was my great-grandad, James Dillon, who was the black sheep. Nowt to do with the Fine Gael leader, but he was a RC/ Brit soldier/ father of various acknowledged children (the last allegedly).

Rovers Fan. Generalised description of English/ Northern Ireland fans as "racist scum" is, I'm afraid, rather contradicting the point you're trying to make. As for understanding of Cymric culture, a number of OWC regulars live and/ or regularly attend matches, in Wales. Their understanding may be a little less than yours (which part of Wales do you hail from, btw)? On the other hand, having read through the relevant threads, it seems there was a little spat with a guy who described England fans in the same terms you do, and a suggestion that a Welsh equivalent of foot.ie or OWC was both unnecessarily self-censoring and a little childish. The latter suggestion, incidentally, came from a Welshman.

Oh, and a couple of people were rude about big Johnny Hartson. Not too nice, but little to do with Welsh Culture. And hardly unparalleled on here, eh?

Generally- if anyone addressed here, or anyone else, wants to reply, please send me a PM. Not trying to avoid you, but I'll be busy for the next couple of weeks.

A chara,

DG/ BJS

[lopez]

Originally posted by Duncan Gardner
Au contraire, Lopez. I am very much here, and delighted to continue your (hitherto unsuccessful) political re-education.

This is not re-education. It's a reply to my fans on ourweeminds, one of whom is the substitute of the tag team replacing the Army Groupie in this slanging match.

Originally posted by Duncan Gardner
Which reminds me, I have been reading your thesis and will reply separately in a few days.

Ah yes! 'Orange Bigoted B*stards in the Occupied Six.' I look forward to your thoughts.

Originally posted by Duncan Gardner
Though not back on the curry, I am under strict instruction to lose 25% of me, that's about 25Kg. .

Jodame hombre! Was that you in that team photo of Dav's football team. Said it was you but didn't resemble the bloke I met at the ten pins (or whatever it's called). Was a bit, ahem, tired and emotional that day, though. 25% is a lot, but I must weigh about 100kg and I reckon 10% to extend my life and get me back to running the Luton half marathon. 20% for the body beautiful.

Originally posted by Duncan Gardner
Dunno if it'll be the Catholic part that goes though....

That never leaves.

[JohnB]

Lopez, if you read my post on the OWC forum properly you'll see I never commented on your opinion of 'The Boxer', I merely suggested that you seem to have been influenced by such. Maybe I'm wrong, do you have a lot of first hand knowledge of NI?

On the matter of the British Forces, you objected to insignia because you thought it was sectarian, did you not? That's not at all at odds with my earlier post if you read it properly.

Also, you seem overly interested in spelling mistakes when your own use of English is not very good. Why is that I wonder?

I knew you'd be irritated by my comments on the OWC forum, the truth often hurts the most. In reality, you've got a hell of a lot in common with the bigots from my side of the fence. In fact, the very people that you object to so strongly. They also have a lot to say, but nothing to add.

[JohnB]

Originally posted by davros
So in the context,what do you or the rest of the many misfits from OWBigotsInc.have to say,which so profound?

You don't care about religion,politics or the cultural feelings of the indigenous population(& I don't blame you all personally!),after your ancestors illegally planted themselves there,on the precept of an illegal foreign crown(or should that be'Clown'?).Southern prods.have q.happily intergrated,& we are embarrassed by your collective attempts of a bunch of discredited inbreds to maintain an archaic historical zoo,for yer own Mutual convenience!

As I've said before, & will say again;Intergrate or F*ck off.You've had 400 years to play your bully-boy games.Goodbye!

I'm sure your fellow countrymen are proud of you.

[Beavis]

Originally posted by davros
So in the context,what do you or the rest of the many misfits from OWBigotsInc.have to say,which so profound?

You don't care about religion,politics or the cultural feelings of the indigenous population(& I don't blame you all personally!),after your ancestors illegally planted themselves there,on the precept of an illegal foreign crown(or should that be'Clown'?).Southern prods.have q.happily intergrated,& we are embarrassed by your collective attempts of a bunch of discredited inbreds to maintain an archaic historical zoo,for yer own Mutual convenience!

As I've said before, & will say again;Intergrate or F*ck off.You've had 400 years to play your bully-boy games.Goodbye!

The inability to see the two sides of the coin is endemic to the nature of Celtic fans.The Northern situation is always black and white to them.Seek a 32 county Ireland by all means,Davros,but assuming that over 500,000 of the 6C's population will simply admit they are wrong and role away is short sighted to say the very least.Surely they would not have been such a turbulent history there,had they not reckoned they had some right to remain.

A more realistic means of acheiving 32C's would be for us to move to the 6C's and reproduce like rabbits!

[Éanna]

Originally posted by davros
So in the context,what do you or the rest of the many misfits from OWBigotsInc.have to say,which so profound?

You don't care about religion,politics or the cultural feelings of the indigenous population(& I don't blame you all personally!),after your ancestors illegally planted themselves there,on the precept of an illegal foreign crown(or should that be'Clown'?).Southern prods.have q.happily intergrated,& we are embarrassed by your collective attempts of a bunch of discredited inbreds to maintain an archaic historical zoo,for yer own Mutual convenience!

As I've said before, & will say again;Intergrate or F*ck off.You've had 400 years to play your bully-boy games.Goodbye!

[Éanna]

Originally posted by davros
So in the context,what do you or the rest of the many misfits from OWBigotsInc.have to say,which so profound?

You don't care about religion,politics or the cultural feelings of the indigenous population(& I don't blame you all personally!),after your ancestors illegally planted themselves there,on the precept of an illegal foreign crown(or should that be'Clown'?).Southern prods.have q.happily intergrated,& we are embarrassed by your collective attempts of a bunch of discredited inbreds to maintain an archaic historical zoo,for yer own Mutual convenience!

As I've said before, & will say again;Intergrate or F*ck off.You've had 400 years to play your bully-boy games.Goodbye!

I hope you're taking the ****. Far be it from me to support the continuing illegal occupation of the 6 counties by Britain, but with an attitude like that its no wonder they're afraid of a united Ireland. "Integrate or F*ck off." Charming- I presume thats what nationalist politicians mean when they say that a United Ireland would pose no threat to Unionists identity. While we're at it, should we also start make everyone dress in a nice IRISH way, make sure everyone goes to mass (just in case that vile facist de Valera MIGHT be spinning in the ground) and make sure everyone conforms- ya know, no long hair, no lefties, no weirdos. People like you had your time, it was Germany 1938

[lopez]

Originally posted by JohnB
Lopez, if you read my post on the OWC forum properly you'll see I never commented on your opinion of 'The Boxer', I merely suggested that you seem to have been influenced by such.

Calling it cack yet influenced by it. Hmmmm?

Originally posted by JohnB
Maybe I'm wrong, do you have a lot of first hand knowledge of NI?

Yes thanks. (I feel the rod being reeled out again).

Originally posted by JohnB
On the matter of the British Forces, you objected to insignia because you thought it was sectarian, did you not? That's not at all at odds with my earlier post if you read it properly.

Your post stated: 'I'm interested to see that earlier in the thread, supporting the troops in Iraq or, more accurately, having a debate on the war was seen by Lopez as unacceptable on a football forum.' Again where did I object to any debate on the war? You state that I objected to placing Army insignia on 'sectarian' lines. This, to repeat myself, was that this was a site also talking up the IFAs 'Football For All' initiative to get cross-community support for the team, while highlighting the fact that the 'bigots' at the GAA continue to fly the tricolour in NI. Tell me this, how well is the British Army regarded in working class Catholic areas in NI, the same working class kids that the IFA are trying to entice to WP?

Originally posted by JohnB
Also, you seem overly interested in spelling mistakes when your own use of English is not very good. Why is that I wonder?

I like people to be able to spell their insults (biggoted, beggers). If I was that concerned of people's spelling I would have had a field day with the Army Groupie. Why is my English so bad? Maybe it's cos I'm not English?

Originally posted by JohnB
I knew you'd be irritated by my comments on the OWC forum,
irritated?

I love all those comments that are posted about me on ourweeminds. It is, to run the risk of repeating myself once more, great for the ego. I'm just waiting to have my own thread. Unfortunately I think I'll be overtaken by Davros.

Originally posted by JohnB
the truth often hurts the most.

What's hurting me at the moment is laughing at Wee Mexican's assessment on OWM of Sad Dog that he's 'meat and drink to these guys (basically me)...because, not for the first time, you're verbally swinging blind yourself.' He's been very quiet lately. Hate to be responsible for any retarded development.

Originally posted by JohnB
In reality, you've got a hell of a lot in common with the bigots from my side of the fence. In fact, the very people that you object to so strongly.

Please expand!

Originally posted by JohnB
They also have a lot to say, but nothing to add.

Which just about sums up your post for today.

Originally posted by Éanna
I hope you're taking the ****.

He's not.

Originally posted by Éanna
Far be it from me to support the continuing illegal occupation of the 6 counties by Britain...

I'd call it undemocratic.

Originally posted by Éanna
but with an attitude like that its no wonder they're afraid of a united Ireland...While we're at it, should we also start make everyone dress in a nice IRISH way, make sure everyone goes to mass (just in case that vile facist de Valera MIGHT be spinning in the ground) and make sure everyone conforms...

Dav unfortunately comes from the school of thought that because he's Protestant he can say these things and claim that they are not in any way abusive. It's a bit like going down to Inglewood with Dr. Dre, Ice Cube and Snoop Doggy Dogg as they call their mates '*******' and their girlfriends 'black hoes'. Watch your head land in your lap if you say the same thing. So talking about my fellow Hiberno-Spanish Plastic and his side kick the Ayatollah McQuaid to him is simply wasting your breath.

Meanwhile over on ourweeminds.
DG, aka BJS, declared this: 'Foot.ie, like OWC, is generally a good read, and hopefully will get over this spat.' I'll agree with you on that Big Man, and perhaps in the cold light of day when we return to our bunkers, it won't just be because OWC makes me laugh.

[Plastic Paddy]

F**king hell! I go away for a fortnight's well-earned R'n'R and this happens. Lopez, DG, et al - how on earth did you manage to fit Christmas dinner and family time around all this virtual verbal jousting?

Taxi! Heathrow Airport please...

PP

[JohnB]

Calling it cack yet influenced by it. Hmmmm?

You'd be surprised how much a susceptible mind can absorb without knowing it.

Yes thanks. (I feel the rod being reeled out again).

Interesting, how long did you live in NI for?

Your post stated: 'I'm interested to see that earlier in the thread, supporting the troops in Iraq or, more accurately, having a debate on the war was seen by Lopez as unacceptable on a football forum.'

This is getting tedious. You objected to British military insignia on the OWC site being posted as part of a debate on the war in Iraq, did you not?

like people to be able to spell their insults (biggoted, beggers). If I was that concerned of people's spelling I would have had a field day with the Army Groupie. Why is my English so bad? Maybe it's cos I'm not English?

Born in England, live in England, work in England, converse in English. But if you feel that strongly about it, I'll accept you're not in the least bit English.

I love all those comments that are posted about me on ourweeminds. It is, to run the risk of repeating myself once more, great for the ego. I'm just waiting to have my own thread. Unfortunately I think I'll be overtaken by Davros.

You hate the country you were born, and live in, and you get an ego boost because you've had a mention on the web site you despise. Self-loathing is very damaging Lopez, you can pass that on to Davros the prod too when you see him. When you and he get together, who wears the gimp suit and who does the whipping? I'm guessing you're the one who licks under the rim of the toilet seat.

I said:

In reality, you've got a hell of a lot in common with the bigots from my side of the fence. In fact, the very people that you object to so strongly.

Didn't think you'd get that, it takes a bit of self awareness to understand. I'll let you live in ignorance though, rather than spoon-feeding you.

Oh, and Davros, as you seem to be Lopez's gimp, I'm refusing to respond to your posts. Organ grinders and monkeys and all that.