Roy Keane

[Denis The Red]

There's nothing bland about Shay Given, Robbie Keane, and Richard Dunne.

They wear the green with pride, and bring the right kind of personality to the game.

I'm not saying I hate Roy Keane as a person, and I appreciate his achievements as a player- but I would object strongly to calling him a class act.

I call people classy or a class act because of their actions in the real world, and not because of their conduct on a late night talk show.

Anybody can be polite in that situation- however, it takes a man to maintain that kind of dignity when the going gets tough, and as we've seen with Roy time and time again, he lacks that calibre, and therefore is in no way a class act.

For the record, I don't wish failure on anybody, and I hope he does well with Ipswich and helps the Irish players develop there by proxy.

It has nothing to do with wearing green with pride, I think Roy did that with distinction. If you are referring to Saipan and the aftermath I think Roy explained that well enough for me, I've accepted it and so has Mick, maybe it's time you did too.
I already said that Roy was a class act based on his whole career and not just what was said tonight. Of course he tends to put his foot in it sometimes, his human but I believe he's not the ogre the media make him out to be.
And if you object to him being called a class act, think again before calling him a coward and then using rugby players as a yard stick...remember what Umaga did to Brian O'Driscoll??? He's a brave guy.

[limerickblue]

There's nothing bland about Shay Given, Robbie Keane, and Richard Dunne.

They wear the green with pride, and bring the right kind of personality to the game.

I'm not saying I hate Roy Keane as a person, and I appreciate his achievements as a player- but I would object strongly to calling him a class act.

I call people classy or a class act because of their actions in the real world, and not because of their conduct on a late night talk show.

Anybody can be polite in that situation- however, it takes a man to maintain that kind of dignity when the going gets tough, and as we've seen with Roy time and time again, he lacks that calibre, and therefore is in no way a class act.

For the record, I don't wish failure on anybody, and I hope he does well with Ipswich and helps the Irish players develop there by proxy.

I am sorry but i am uunable to come onto this site and read a post like this.
Have you just said that mr.Roy Keane is not a class act, I'm sorry to disagree but is not the same Roy Keane that one:

1. Got Clough from a low standard of irish football(no disrespect loyal limerick fan here) to the big leagues in england.

2. signed for united in 1993 for 3.75 million pounds british transfer fee at the time.

3.was handed the manchester united captaincy from one of the most respected managers in the game.

4. got booked in a chapions league semi-final (knew he would be suspended) and went on to inspire the team to victory and in fergusons words
;It was the most emphatic display of selflessness I have seen on a football field. Pounding over every blade of grass, competing if he would rather die of exhaustion than lose, he inspired all around him. I felt it was an honour to be associated with such a player;

5. the largest crowd ever to attend a testomonial in england attended roy keane.

6. 7 premier leagues, 4 f.a cups , one intercontanintal cup,scotish cup, scotish league i wont even throw in the chapions league he took them to the semi-final off.

7.english football writers player of the year 2000 and players footballer of the year 2000

8.english hall of fame 2004 george best and liam brady the only other two inductees.

9. did he not also make our only placing in fifas top 100 living footballers besides the norths best who is now dead on gone r.i.p

10.named our best player in 94 world cup playing every game

11.and in typical keane fashion refused to celabrate as he saw the defeat to holland as disapointment.

12.got us a draw in landsdowne road against portugal.

13.and that tackle in the first few minutes against the dutch.

14.once and for all put a stop to the problems on plane for international.

15.and in saipan stood up and said that the irish national team shouldnt have to train in sub-standard conditions.
I don.t think anybody ever said this but in 2002 we still had the celtic tiger aura around the country, why were we going on a training camp to a sh*thole like saipan.

16.showed a world cup and euro cup winner, Paddy Vieria of aresnal what t was like to mark a real midfielder on numerous occasions.

I think the 16 points, i have shown you will prove to u that roy keane is definatley a class act, and you say that robbie keane dunne and given are class.

I WOULD HAVE TO DISAGREE ROBBIE KEANE IS A GREAT PLAYER, DUNNE IS A VERY GOOD PLAYER, SHAY GIVEN IS A CLASS ACT AGREED. BUT I THINK IF U ASKED ANY OF THESE THREE PLAYERS WHAT WAS ROY KEANE YOU WOULD GET 3 ANSWERS FROM THE ABOVE

CLASS ACT



LEADER AND MOTIVATER(BEST OUT WEAKER PLAYER)





LEGEND.!!!!!!!!!!!

Or as the corkonians would say GOD

[irishfan86]

I am sorry but i am uunable to come onto this site and read a post like this.
Have you just said that mr.Roy Keane is not a class act, I'm sorry to disagree but is not the same Roy Keane that one:

1. Got Clough from a low standard of irish football(no disrespect loyal limerick fan here) to the big leagues in england.

2. signed for united in 1993 for 3.75 million pounds british transfer fee at the time.

3.was handed the manchester united captaincy from one of the most respected managers in the game.

4. got booked in a chapions league semi-final (knew he would be suspended) and went on to inspire the team to victory and in fergusons words
;It was the most emphatic display of selflessness I have seen on a football field. Pounding over every blade of grass, competing if he would rather die of exhaustion than lose, he inspired all around him. I felt it was an honour to be associated with such a player;

5. the largest crowd ever to attend a testomonial in england attended roy keane.

6. 7 premier leagues, 4 f.a cups , one intercontanintal cup,scotish cup, scotish league i wont even throw in the chapions league he took them to the semi-final off.

7.english football writers player of the year 2000 and players footballer of the year 2000

8.english hall of fame 2004 george best and liam brady the only other two inductees.

9. did he not also make our only placing in fifas top 100 living footballers besides the norths best who is now dead on gone r.i.p

10.named our best player in 94 world cup playing every game

11.and in typical keane fashion refused to celabrate as he saw the defeat to holland as disapointment.

12.got us a draw in landsdowne road against portugal.

13.and that tackle in the first few minutes against the dutch.

14.once and for all put a stop to the problems on plane for international.

15.and in saipan stood up and said that the irish national team shouldnt have to train in sub-standard conditions.
I don.t think anybody ever said this but in 2002 we still had the celtic tiger aura around the country, why were we going on a training camp to a sh*thole like saipan.

16.showed a world cup and euro cup winner, Paddy Vieria of aresnal what t was like to mark a real midfielder on numerous occasions.

I think the 16 points, i have shown you will prove to u that roy keane is definatley a class act, and you say that robbie keane dunne and given are class.

I WOULD HAVE TO DISAGREE ROBBIE KEANE IS A GREAT PLAYER, DUNNE IS A VERY GOOD PLAYER, SHAY GIVEN IS A CLASS ACT AGREED. BUT I THINK IF U ASKED ANY OF THESE THREE PLAYERS WHAT WAS ROY KEANE YOU WOULD GET 3 ANSWERS FROM THE ABOVE

CLASS ACT



LEADER AND MOTIVATER(BEST OUT WEAKER PLAYER)





LEGEND.!!!!!!!!!!!

Or as the corkonians would say GOD

Your points don't really counter my argument at all.

I acknowledge in my posts that Roy Keane was a fantastic talent, and one of the most accomplished footballers of his generation.

Class footballer, but as a human being, calling him a class act is an insult to good guys everywhere.

I get the feeling that we're talking about two different things.

For me the term "Class Act" means that a person conducts themselves in a certain manner.

For you it indicates some sort of achievement or success.

[Stuttgart88]

Not everyone's cup of tea, sure, but I believe they're the ones without the spines.

good lord.

[limerickblue]

Your points don't really counter my argument at all.

I acknowledge in my posts that Roy Keane was a fantastic talent, and one of the most accomplished footballers of his generation.

Class footballer, but as a human being, calling him a class act is an insult to good guys everywhere.

I get the feeling that we're talking about two different things.

For me the term "Class Act" means that a person conducts themselves in a certain manner.

For you it indicates some sort of achievement or success.

o.k you are saying 'that calling him a class act is an insult to good guys everywhere' , was the irish blind dogs associtian the only reason he was over this week. To me Roy Keane gives this charity organasation the maxiumum publicity every year he returns for their day. So how is he an insult to good guys, if anything you are an insult to people for downing such a genourous man, actually your post is borderline bulls**te.

Roy keane had given out aout john o'shea and darren fletcher before , but this week he came out and said that the are just as important to united winning tropies as giggs and rooney, it shows he lets people prove themselves and where credit is due.

He admited last night that his weakness as a person was his impatiency but at least he can say that and is not able to see that it is his weakness, which will give him the oppurtunity to work on it.

[Drumcondra 69er]

I dont remember hearing that Keane said that to Haaland, and his beef was with Haaland for accusing him of faking injury when he was down with a career-threatening one, I dont recall him having a problem with the actual incident that led to the injury.

Do people actually know what happened with that incident because the amount of mis-informed nonsense I'm reading about it here staggers me.

Roy Keane injured HIMSELF by kicking Alfie Haaland into the air, how the fukk could he have a problem with the actual incident given that it was entirely of his own making??? Look at the picture, the ball wasn't anywhere near there to be won, he lost the rag coz they were one down in the last few minutes, no self control again. And look at the other incident, he's the agressor in both.

[geysir]

Spot on Stuttgart. Missed the interview as I was out with Saint Tom and Paul but will watch it later. I think you have hit the nail on the head with most of what you have said. Lads here is an insight. When you have gone down with a serious injury and somebody saying there is nothing wrong with you, it is hard to hold back the feelings. It is very raw and I can certainly see where Keane is coming from havin been in a simillar place. Funnily enough Brian Clough was in a very similar place also.

It was not Woodgate it was Wetheral Stutts, but that is neither here nor there.

The issue is not what a player feels in the heat of the game or who calls what insult.
If that was the issue there would be would be a lot of battered half dead players on the pitch, over grievances years old.
Keane's issue was that he carried it around like a baseball bat on the ready (for the best part of a year?) ready to inflict serious injury on Alf Ingi.
That's the seriously deranged aspect, imo.

False bravado hardman poser act, that he still hasn't grown out of.

[Drumcondra 69er]

Does anyone have a link to the Roy Keane interview from earlier tonight? Cheers.

There you go.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dua7oeEydVw

[weldoninhio]

I am sorry but i am uunable to come onto this site and read a post like this.
Have you just said that mr.Roy Keane is not a class act, I'm sorry to disagree but is not the same Roy Keane that one:

1. Got Clough from a low standard of irish football(no disrespect loyal limerick fan here) to the big leagues in england.

2. signed for united in 1993 for 3.75 million pounds british transfer fee at the time.

3.was handed the manchester united captaincy from one of the most respected managers in the game.

4. got booked in a chapions league semi-final (knew he would be suspended) and went on to inspire the team to victory and in fergusons words
;It was the most emphatic display of selflessness I have seen on a football field. Pounding over every blade of grass, competing if he would rather die of exhaustion than lose, he inspired all around him. I felt it was an honour to be associated with such a player;

5. the largest crowd ever to attend a testomonial in england attended roy keane.

6. 7 premier leagues, 4 f.a cups , one intercontanintal cup,scotish cup, scotish league i wont even throw in the chapions league he took them to the semi-final off.

7.english football writers player of the year 2000 and players footballer of the year 2000

8.english hall of fame 2004 george best and liam brady the only other two inductees.

9. did he not also make our only placing in fifas top 100 living footballers besides the norths best who is now dead on gone r.i.p

10.named our best player in 94 world cup playing every game

11.and in typical keane fashion refused to celabrate as he saw the defeat to holland as disapointment.

12.got us a draw in landsdowne road against portugal.

13.and that tackle in the first few minutes against the dutch.

14.once and for all put a stop to the problems on plane for international.

15.and in saipan stood up and said that the irish national team shouldnt have to train in sub-standard conditions.
I don.t think anybody ever said this but in 2002 we still had the celtic tiger aura around the country, why were we going on a training camp to a sh*thole like saipan.

16.showed a world cup and euro cup winner, Paddy Vieria of aresnal what t was like to mark a real midfielder on numerous occasions.

I think the 16 points, i have shown you will prove to u that roy keane is definatley a class act, and you say that robbie keane dunne and given are class.

I WOULD HAVE TO DISAGREE ROBBIE KEANE IS A GREAT PLAYER, DUNNE IS A VERY GOOD PLAYER, SHAY GIVEN IS A CLASS ACT AGREED. BUT I THINK IF U ASKED ANY OF THESE THREE PLAYERS WHAT WAS ROY KEANE YOU WOULD GET 3 ANSWERS FROM THE ABOVE

CLASS ACT



LEADER AND MOTIVATER(BEST OUT WEAKER PLAYER)





LEGEND.!!!!!!!!!!!

Or as the corkonians would say GOD

Just a couple of points on your points,

1) "Got Clough from a low standard of irish football(no disrespect loyal limerick fan here) to the big leagues in england." - Most of your points are badly written, misspelt and stream of conciousness at best. But this one takes the biscuit!! I presume you mean he got Clough to bring him from Cobh to Forest. It comes across like he discovered Cloughie.

2) Chris Sutton was £5 million british record in 1994, one year later, this doesn't mean he was better than Keane, just that what a club pays has nothing to do with the player.

4) He is a professional footballer, what would you expect him to do?? Call the bench and tell them to take him off because he couldn't play the final??

5) Biggest team in England versus the Biggest team in Scotland.

6,7,8,9) No-one denied he has won trophies and accolades

10) Again no-one said he was not a good player, the argument was that he is not a "class act"

11) Who cares??

12) I can't remember or find any report of a game that pitted Portugal against Roy Keane, only 11vs11 games.

13) He tackled someone in a football match?? Good point!!

14) He complained about the blazers getting first class.

15) Ireland didn't go to a training camp in Saipan, they went on an R&R trip with a light training to keep the guys fit and ticking over until they got to the training camp in Japan

16) Yeah, poor Paddy only won the Premiership 3 times and the FA Cup 4 times while Roy was around.

PS Get a spellchecker.

[bennocelt]

McCarthy's biggest mistake was bring RK on what was an R & R stopover, he'd have been better off letting him join them at their top of the range training facility in Japan. Personally I don't think the incident would have happened had RK not seen Arsenal do the double (winning the league at Old Trafford) and hadn't seen his efforts in the CL semi come to nothing against what he considered a far inferior side in Leverkussen. He wasn't a happy man....

mostly agree with what u said................but it does stick in my graw that this whole thing was all set up by the FAI and Ray Treacy. It was a junket - thats the only reason they were in Saipan in the first place - a place without even one decent football pitch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[NeilMcD]

The issue is not what a player feels in the heat of the game or who calls what insult.
If that was the issue there would be would be a lot of battered half dead players on the pitch, over grievances years old.
Keane's issue was that he carried it around like a baseball bat on the ready (for the best part of a year?) ready to inflict serious injury on Alf Ingi.
That's the seriously deranged aspect, imo.

False bravado hardman poser act, that he still hasn't grown out of.

Sorry I did not mean the heat of the game, I actually mean that when somebody says it to you on the pitch and you are at a low ebb. It sticks with you. If you want to dismiss that fine but I am trying to give a bit of personal insight here into it.

Do I agree with what Keane did to Haaland, no, do I understand it, yes.

[Drumcondra 69er]

mostly agree with what u said................but it does stick in my graw that this whole thing was all set up by the FAI and Ray Treacy. It was a junket - thats the only reason they were in Saipan in the first place - a place without even one decent football pitch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

True but 22 of the 23 players were happy to be there. The facilities in Japan were top class. There's been so much spin over Saipan that that point has been lost.

I would have no time whatsoever for the FAI or Ray Treacy, am 100% in agreement there.

[NeilMcD]

True but 22 of the 23 players were happy to be there. The facilities in Japan were top class. There's been so much spin over Saipan that that point has been lost.

I would have no time whatsoever for the FAI or Ray Treacy, am 100% in agreement there.

I think this is the point that 22 or 23 players were not happy to be there. But they stayed silent and kept it in house. Again I dont go down the road that Keane is right Mc Carthy is wrong or vice versa as I think with most things in life the truth is in the grey areas.

Many of the players were not happy with the set up. Some got over it by having a laugh and a joke about it and some of them stayed silent and others voiced their concerns to the captain. Keane unwisely went public on this issue probably in order to dis associate himself with the set up andn to show that he was not part of the shambles set up. So there is a bit of self preservation there. But he had every right not to be happy with the set up an every right to have a meeting with the manager over it and give out about it. What he did not have every right to do, was to walk out the first time and say that he was leaving for personal reasons but what were really professsional ones and then he did not have every right to do interviews after that.

[Superhoops]

......CLASS ACT.....

In Saipan he unleashed a stinging verbal tirade against Mick McCarthy: “Mick, you're a liar... you're a f*cking w*nker. I didn't rate you as a player, I don't rate you as a manager, and I don't rate you as a person. You're a f*cking w*nker and you can stick your World Cup up your a*se. The only reason I have any dealings with you is that somehow you are the manager of my country! You can stick it up your bol*ocks.”

Just a week or so before heading off to Saipan Keane refused to play in Niall Quinn's testimonial at Sunderland even though the proceeds from the game were going to two children's charities in Dublin and Sunderland.

CLASS ACT me bol*ix

[NeilMcD]

If someone said I had feigned injury in order to avoid playing for my country in front of my team mates I would have done much worse than what Keane did. However If I was Mc Carthy and Keane did what he did by going to the press I would not have called a meeting and accused Roy Keane of feigning injury I would have had a barney with him in a private room and tore strips out ot him. There is no way if I was Mc Carthy would have I let Roy Keane behave the way he did to the press that week.This bit about insults etc, in a private room I think its wrong for people to come out with stories from the room and grown men saying they could not believe what they heard etc. Rubbish.

In relation to the charity bit. Bono is accused of being a ****** for doing so much charity work. Roy Keane is now terrible for refusing to take part in one act of Charity. I did not contribute to Oxfam this week, what a w*nker I am. You cannot take part in every part of charity and I think Roy Keane to be fair has done his bit for charities over the year.

[NeilMcD]

Do people actually know what happened with that incident because the amount of mis-informed nonsense I'm reading about it here staggers me.

Roy Keane injured HIMSELF by kicking Alfie Haaland into the air, how the fukk could he have a problem with the actual incident given that it was entirely of his own making??? Look at the picture, the ball wasn't anywhere near there to be won, he lost the rag coz they were one down in the last few minutes, no self control again. And look at the other incident, he's the agressor in both.

That injury was Roy Keanes fault no doubt about it, in fact one of the reasons he reckons he was injured was due to the fact he was out drinking on the Thursday night. However that goes out the window when you have somebody screaming in your face when you are lying down with a torn cruciate ligament and you are in agony. Its not right, its not fair but its understandable. Trust me.

[limerickblue]

In Saipan he unleashed a stinging verbal tirade against Mick McCarthy: “Mick, you're a liar... you're a f*cking w*nker. I didn't rate you as a player, I don't rate you as a manager, and I don't rate you as a person. You're a f*cking w*nker and you can stick your World Cup up your a*se. The only reason I have any dealings with you is that somehow you are the manager of my country! You can stick it up your bol*ocks.”

Just a week or so before heading off to Saipan Keane refused to play in Niall Quinn's testimonial at Sunderland even though the proceeds from the game were going to two children's charities in Dublin and Sunderland.

CLASS ACT me bol*ix

Keane stayed calm for the whole lecture that he was giving by McCarthy, until McCarthy decided to accuse Keane of faking injury to avoid playing for Ireland. What would you have done, stayed queit and let him drag your name through the dirt in front of fellow players.

O.k he refused to play in Niall Quinns testomonial, I'm sorry but if i was going traveling have way across the world to captain my side at a world cup, i wouldnt want to risk the oppurtunity by playing in a testomnial. In all fairness Niall should have kept that for after the world cup.

I say again Class Act

[superfrank]

However that goes out the window when you have somebody screaming in your face when you are lying down with a torn cruciate ligament and you are in agony. Its not right, its not fair but its understandable. Trust me.

There's no justification for what Keane did to Haaland. He was insulted, fair enough, but Haaland didn't try to take his leg off. Keane should have insulted Haaland or whatever but his physical attack was disgraceful, no justification whatsoever.

[NeilMcD]

Did I justify it. I said I understood it.

[Drumcondra 69er]

That injury was Roy Keanes fault no doubt about it, in fact one of the reasons he reckons he was injured was due to the fact he was out drinking on the Thursday night. However that goes out the window when you have somebody screaming in your face when you are lying down with a torn cruciate ligament and you are in agony. Its not right, its not fair but its understandable. Trust me.

To be honest, I've suffered injuries playing football and have knackered both my own knees, one through an awful tackle on me. I'd consider myself slightly unhinged if I spent two years plotting revenge on the guy. I'd consider myself even more unhinged if I'd injured myself trying to nobble the other guy and still had a grievence. I would think that most sane people would be the same. If the bloke that came over the ball on me had injured himself and I'd been alright I may well have had a few verbals at him in the heat of the moment, it's a natural enough reaction when you've just been kicked regardless of whether the other guy is down or not.

Did it never occur to RK at some stage over his recovery that it was entirely his own fault? The drinking thing is a red herring for me anyway, it suits the myth. Drinking during your recovery would be far more harmful.