Roy Keane

[bennocelt]

High horse moralising again?


CASCARINO CLEARED BUT NOW HEADS FOR DIVORCE
Sunday Mirror , Feb 8, 2009 by CIARAN O'RAGHALLAIGH


The former Celtic striker was nicked by cops at the family home last December after Virginie claimed Cascarino had threatened to kill her.



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just a chuckle

[NeilMcD]

Other than being a poker player (What's wrong with that??), being the victim of false allegations from his wife and unproven innuendo from Roy Keane, what did Cascarino actually ever do to deserve all the moralizing?

He is a poker player now and fair play to him. But he used to be a poker player who played games where he was blindfolded in a van driven to the game and then blind folded again when he was leaving. Just like something out of the Sopranos.

In addition he lived in France and his wife lived in England and while in France he started seeing a French girl and had a child with her and lived with her and never told his wife bang in England. He continued to lead this double existence for a year or two.

Subsequently this second wife, the french girl has made allegations against him that he threatened to kill her and assaulted her which have been dropped.


In relation to Roy Keane what is the difference between Roy Keanes innuendo and Cascarino's innnuendo about Keane. They are both characters I woudl not want to babysit my kids or take my daughter out.

[Stuttgart88]

Too much was made of Keane's remarks about Bruce & Hughes, or certainly the sub-headlines were misleading.

He said neither was successful, which he defined as winning trophies. I'd agree with that, with qualification. But he didn't say neither was bad, in fact he complimented a lot of what they did. His remarks were in response to a question like "how come so many of Fergie's early 90s players went on to be such successful managers?". I think he was putting the question down, not the subjects.

[NeilMcD]

Spot on Stuttgart thats exactly what I was trying to say earlier but you have put it more succinctly.

[SkStu]

Too much was made of Keane's remarks about Bruce & Hughes, or certainly the sub-headlines were misleading.

He said neither was successful, which he defined as winning trophies. I'd agree with that, with qualification. But he didn't say neither was bad, in fact he complimented a lot of what they did. His remarks were in response to a question like "how come so many of Fergie's early 90s players went on to be such successful managers?". I think he was putting the question down, not the subjects.

its a pretty narrow scope for success though isnt it? How many current premiership managers have won trophies? Is Moyes an unsuccessful manager despite the great jobs he has done with Everton & Preston simply because he doesnt have a trophy?

Im not having a go, its just a general question and i think that its not as simple as Keane seems to believe it is.

[eirebhoy]

Too much was made of Keane's remarks about Bruce & Hughes, or certainly the sub-headlines were misleading.

He said neither was successful, which he defined as winning trophies. I'd agree with that, with qualification. But he didn't say neither was bad, in fact he complimented a lot of what they did. His remarks were in response to a question like "how come so many of Fergie's early 90s players went on to be such successful managers?". I think he was putting the question down, not the subjects.

He also said something a few years ago about having to win the world cup to be "world class". I think he said Barthez was the only world class player of one of the Man Utd teams.

So I wouldn't read too much into what he said about Bruce, Hughes, etc.

[geysir]

Are you serious? he said Keane is more important to a lot of Irish people than Sunderland or Ipswich, not that Keane is more important than Sunderland or Ipswich full stop

Sure most of us didn't know where Ipswich was on the map.
Now, I know Sunderland is away to the right of Liverpool and up a bit.

All thanks to Roy.

[DeLorean]

Maybe the likes of Moyes aren't successful though despite the great job he's done. Keane comes from the Brian Clough school of thought where little clubs do win big prizes. Different times it must be said but Pompey did win the FA Cup last year. Maybe also he means that if Bruce/Hughes etc were actually successful they wouldn't still be at mid table Premier League teams but at much bigger clubs. I'm not saying he's right by the way but will the world really remember Bruce and Hughes as managers if they don't achieve more than they have already? ok I am kind of agreeing with him!!

[geysir]

Roy as a manager, must be suffering from huge sense of low self esteem.

I'm told that Roy did not rate Schmichel.
I wonder what did Peter do to deserve such a slight?

[SkStu]

took the jam out of his doughnut?

[cheifo]

Roys ultra professionalism and incredibly high standards are impossible to achieve for the people he works with and this is proably the source of his obvious inner conflict.

This... plus the fact that he is plain bonkers.

[Stuttgart88]

its a pretty narrow scope for success though isnt it? How many current premiership managers have won trophies? Is Moyes an unsuccessful manager despite the great jobs he has done with Everton & Preston simply because he doesnt have a trophy?

Im not having a go, its just a general question and i think that its not as simple as Keane seems to believe it is.

That's why I said "with qualification".

For a start, how many hundreds, if not thousands, of people fancy thenmselves as a football manger in the UK? Simply having one of the best 15 or 20 managerial jobs in the country would qualify as "success" by most people's standards.

I still think that Keane was far more putting the question down than he was his former colleagues. It's a subtle distinction. I'm not one who's inclined to give Keane the benefit of the doubt but in this instance I think the sub-headlines distorted what he said.

That's what fcuking annoys me about this whole Keane enigma thing. It's like the Stephen Ireland issue every time an Irish squad is announced. It's a bogus story that bears no meaning to the real issues around Irish football - no matter where your level of interest lies, the LOI, the ntaional team or something else - and if only the fcuking media would focus on issues of genuine importance or interest then maybe we'd start putting the house in order oproperly.

DCFC Steve posted elsewhere about a collective post-colonial complex we have and I agree. I'd much prefer if we Irish recognised that we have one of the world's best goalkeepers, a genuinely important player in the world's biggest football club and any other number of positive Irish stories this season than, like Cantona predicted, behaving like a mass of seagulls because a self-interested Irishman feeds us all sardines a few times a year from his trawler.

[Morbo]

You might be right....but then you might be talking out of your hole. Truth is we (including you) don't know what's going on inside his head so we can only speculate. Because people believe that he means what he says doesn't mean that they are buying into anything, it's not like all these people are totally naive and you are ahead of the game- ah keano I see what you're up to, nobody else can but I have you pegged!! A bit patronising tbh.

May be a bit patronising but that doesn't mean it isn't true, a lot of people are very naive tbh and take anything Keane says as gospel, I recall Given getting a bit of stick following Keanes comments about him a while back for example.
Of course I don't know with 100% certainty what he is thinking but that doesn't mean we can't speculate and it doesn't take a genius to reason that the only reason to dismiss your former teammates accomplishments is to maintain your reputation as a man who sets very high standards for himself, its isn't really that much of a stretch to come to that conclusion.

[Greenbod]

He is a poker player now and fair play to him. But he used to be a poker player who played games where he was blindfolded in a van driven to the game and then blind folded again when he was leaving. Just like something out of the Sopranos.

In addition he lived in France and his wife lived in England and while in France he started seeing a French girl and had a child with her and lived with her and never told his wife bang in England. He continued to lead this double existence for a year or two.

Subsequently this second wife, the french girl has made allegations against him that he threatened to kill her and assaulted her which have been dropped.


In relation to Roy Keane what is the difference between Roy Keanes innuendo and Cascarino's innnuendo about Keane. They are both characters I woudl not want to babysit my kids or take my daughter out.

Neil, I have no intention of getting involved in any gossip about Tony Cascarino's marital or extra-marital affairs......or indeed his blindfolded poker (whatever that's all about!). In fact, I have little or no interest in Cascarino's life at all except for the fact I supported him when he played for us and seemed to me to give his all.

Cascarino's journalistic utterances on Keane, on his tendancy to quit when things go against him, and on his inability to get on with and as a consequence manage people over the long term, ring true with me (from what I've read of them). It's Cascarino's job as a journalist to write about Keane's ability and suitability as a football manager. As something of an "insider" he's also ideally placed to do so. It's obvious he (Cascarino) similar to a lot of football people....(ie most of the Sunderland dressing room) doesn't like the guy, but you can read his stuff in that context.

Keane's job, for the moment is a football manager. I can't think of any other football manager who responds to a journalist's criticism by attacking the journalists private life or moral character. They normally have more pressing football matters on their mind. Why couldn't Keane just ignore the questions about Cascarino and talk about Ipswich and his plans for the football team?

I am fully in agreement with your last paragraph by the way........I already have a good babysitter.

[Greenbod]

Too much was made of Keane's remarks about Bruce & Hughes, or certainly the sub-headlines were misleading.

He said neither was successful, which he defined as winning trophies. I'd agree with that, with qualification. But he didn't say neither was bad, in fact he complimented a lot of what they did. His remarks were in response to a question like "how come so many of Fergie's early 90s players went on to be such successful managers?". I think he was putting the question down, not the subjects.

I agree with you here....too much was made of these remarks, however Keane knew exactly what he was doing! I think it was you Stuttgart, who commented earlier that all of Keanes's public utterances are calculated. I agreed with you then also.

[irishfan86]

To say Keane is calculated is giving the man too much credit.

Calculated indicates that he is choosing the occasion carefully and for a reason- his time at Sunderland indicates to me that he's willing to give his opinion anytime someone puts a microphone in front of his face.

I think his first season at Sunderland was exceptional by any standard, and he did a good job to keep the team up in year two; however, once it came time to bring the team into mid-table level, it's hard to say he did anything but failed.

His inability to determine his best first XI, and his dire transfer record indicate to me that he is going to need some luck to become as successful as some of his biggest fans seem to believe.

[Stuttgart88]

Keane apologises to Bruce & Hughes

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2...ne-ipswichtown

Roy Keane has sent a conciliatory message to Mark Hughes, his former Manchester United team-mate, expressing regret for questioning whether he had been "successful" as a manager.

Only a day back into management at Ipswich Town, Keane is also thought to have done the same with Steve Bruce, the Wigan Athletic manager, dispatching a text message that explained he had meant no offence and hoped to see him soon on good terms.

[NeilMcD]

Neil, I have no intention of getting involved in any gossip about Tony Cascarino's marital or extra-marital affairs......or indeed his blindfolded poker (whatever that's all about!). In fact, I have little or no interest in Cascarino's life at all except for the fact I supported him when he played for us and seemed to me to give his all.

Cascarino's journalistic utterances on Keane, on his tendancy to quit when things go against him, and on his inability to get on with and as a consequence manage people over the long term, ring true with me (from what I've read of them). It's Cascarino's job as a journalist to write about Keane's ability and suitability as a football manager. As something of an "insider" he's also ideally placed to do so. It's obvious he (Cascarino) similar to a lot of football people....(ie most of the Sunderland dressing room) doesn't like the guy, but you can read his stuff in that context.

Keane's job, for the moment is a football manager. I can't think of any other football manager who responds to a journalist's criticism by attacking the journalists private life or moral character. They normally have more pressing football matters on their mind. Why couldn't Keane just ignore the questions about Cascarino and talk about Ipswich and his plans for the football team?

I am fully in agreement with your last paragraph by the way........I already have a good babysitter.

When did Keane attack Cascarino's private life. All the info I said about Cascarino, comes from Cascarino's own book. It is Cascarino who has said personal things about Keane not the other way around. Keane has hinted at stuff but not said, probably for fear that it would go to court I would say. Anyway as I said before my points are more of a point of attacking Cascarino than defending Keane. I think Cascarino is a low life and it irritates me that the media give him a job to pontificate about football and to offer opinions and judgements on peoples personality when his is so incredibly flawed.

[NeilMcD]

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...245373324.html

Backs up what you and I have been sayin in relation to these comments Stutts.

[geysir]

When will the penny drop on people that Keane talks a lot of palpable self absorbed contradictatory nonsense.

I liked Mark Hughes's reply

"I think you guys [in the media] will all be happy that he is back because he's good value, bless him. But I'm not upset about it. Everyone knows what Roy's like and having him back in football makes it interesting for the Championship, so good luck to him. I'm not going to be coming into much contact with him, obviously."