Roy Keane

**bennocelt** · 16/09/2009, 1:12 PM

Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

Yes, because they were a better team. But the argument was about our fitness. We finished the game full of energy and purpose. We were stronger in ET too, but did have an extra man for part of it.

D69er is spot on when he points out that the facilities in Japan were top-class. That's the tragic irony of the whole thing.

we had feck all chances as well.........so much for all the bags of energy, and jesus even the penos were half assed

Sapain was a joke of a place to stay, all thanks to R Tracy (and the FAI getting back handers probably), imagine not even a pitch to train on

**dr_peepee** · 16/09/2009, 1:27 PM

Originally Posted by NeilMcD

So basically the foreplay was crap but the penetration was great. So basically Roy Keane is just a mid 30s female cosmo reader, giving out about the foreplay.

Ha!!

You totally went there...

**paul_oshea** · 16/09/2009, 2:16 PM

Id say this great term R & R was more for the FAI gang and the hangers on than it was for the players being honest.

**geysir** · 16/09/2009, 2:22 PM

So how should we prepare for SA?

shot rings out

aargh

**seanfhear** · 16/09/2009, 2:29 PM

Originally Posted by geysir

So how should we prepare for SA?

shot rings out

aargh

If we qualify and Roy keeps producing results like he is at Ipswich then I can see Roy having some spare time on his hands to get the preperation right this time.

**amaccann** · 16/09/2009, 2:33 PM

Oh god it's happening again ...

*duck and covers*

**SkStu** · 16/09/2009, 2:42 PM

Originally Posted by seanfhear

If we qualify and Roy keeps producing results like he is at Ipswich then I can see Roy having some spare time on his hands to get the preperation right this time.

i honestly read that as "penetration"

**Drumcondra 69er** · 16/09/2009, 4:33 PM

Originally Posted by paul_oshea

Id say this great term R & R was more for the FAI gang and the hangers on than it was for the players being honest.

From speaking to a number of the players all bar one were perfectly happy with it, think that was part of his nibs' problem....

**bennocelt** · 16/09/2009, 5:58 PM

Originally Posted by Drumcondra 69er

From speaking to a number of the players all bar one were perfectly happy with it, think that was part of his nibs' problem....

you mean the yes men

**The Fly** · 16/09/2009, 7:10 PM

Leaving aside Keane's treatment of Owen Garvan and its perceived harshness in some quarters for a moment, there has been some serious over-stating of said player's ability on here. I have seen him play quite a few times, and while he is good player, he is nothing special or exceptional.

**an_ceannaire** · 17/09/2009, 10:18 AM

Some of the anti-Keane posters on here are so pathetic and typical. Ye are all willing to lavish praise on players who did "well" in Japan/Korea, but ye would be loathe to accept the fact that none of them would have been there only for Roy Keane. Had Roy Keane not pulled us kicking and screaming to the world cup that year there would have been no Irish team at the world cup, there would have been no Irish fans in Japan, there would have been no world cup for us. Duffer wouldnt have made a name for himself, Robbie wouldnt have scored "that goal" and Mick would not have had "that celebration"
Simple fact is, without Roy Keane, for Ireland there would have been no World Cup. But ye dont want to remember that!!! Some very sad bitter people here (mostly dubs i notice!) with some very sad bitter agendas.
How very Irish!

**smasher** · 17/09/2009, 10:21 AM

Originally Posted by bennocelt

you mean the yes men

Maybe he means the guys who realised there was a World Cup about to start and we did'nt have time to pander to a guy who had thrown his toys out of his pram!

**gustavo** · 17/09/2009, 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by an_ceannaire

Some of the anti-Keane posters on here are so pathetic and typical. Ye are all willing to lavish praise on players who did "well" in Japan/Korea, but ye would be loathe to accept the fact that none of them would have been there only for Roy Keane. Had Roy Keane not pulled us kicking and screaming to the world cup that year there would have been no Irish team at the world cup, there would have been no Irish fans in Japan, there would have been no world cup for us. Duffer wouldnt have made a name for himself, Robbie wouldnt have scored "that goal" and Mick would not have had "that celebration"
Simple fact is, without Roy Keane, for Ireland there would have been no World Cup. But ye dont want to remember that!!! Some very sad bitter people here (mostly dubs i notice!) with some very sad bitter agendas.
How very Irish!

No one is disputing his abilites as a player

**bennocelt** · 17/09/2009, 10:41 AM

Originally Posted by smasher

Maybe he means the guys who realised there was a World Cup about to start and we did'nt have time to pander to a guy who had thrown his toys out of his pram!

But Keane was the captain after all........................and the guy who brought us to the finals in the first place

**smasher** · 17/09/2009, 10:46 AM

Originally Posted by bennocelt

But Keane was the captain after all........................and the guy who brought us to the finals in the first place

Exactly, as captain he should have conducted himself in a manner befitting the position and be mindful of his responsibilities. After all he was carrying the hopes of a nation, not himself.
I am not questioning his ability as a player and the role he played as part of the SQUAD that got us to the World Cup.

**an_ceannaire** · 17/09/2009, 10:53 AM

Originally Posted by smasher

Exactly, as captain he should have conducted himself in a manner befitting the position and be mindful of his responsibilities. After all he was carrying the hopes of a nation, not himself.
I am not questioning his ability as a player and the role he played as part of the SQUAD that got us to the World Cup.

Squad my hole....there would have been no WC without him, and thats a fact! It was the closest thing i have seen to a one man team since i dragged NCW to our first Desmond Youths Cup for donkeys years in 1987!
The delight some people on here now take in Ipswich's misfortune says an awful lot as Ireland as a people.

**bennocelt** · 17/09/2009, 10:56 AM

Originally Posted by smasher

Exactly, as captain he should have conducted himself in a manner befitting the position and be mindful of his responsibilities. After all he was carrying the hopes of a nation, not himself.
I am not questioning his ability as a player and the role he played as part of the SQUAD that got us to the World Cup.

yeah but when the FAI dont even organise a decent place to stay and train, etc then i think quite frankly you can shove your nationalism up your balls (as the great man might say himself!)

**Murfinator** · 17/09/2009, 11:02 AM

What really gets me about Japan/Korea 2002 is that with Roy Keane there I can't shake that nagging feeling that he would have seen us through against Spain when we were on top in extra time. That we were better than South Korea and would have got us into the Semi-Final against a very mediocre German side that had already failed to beat us without Keano.

I genuinely think we could have made the final against Brazil, probably would have lost that sure, but still it was there for us.

**Stuttgart88** · 17/09/2009, 11:03 AM

He was our best player in the qualifying campaign that got us to the play-offs. Nobody disputes that.

Without Shay Given we wouldn't have beaten Iran. I'd say few dispute that.

Keane was a marvelous captain on the pitch. Nobody disputes that.

I think he was a lousy captain off the pitch. That's the only issue open to debate.

**Stuttgart88** · 17/09/2009, 11:04 AM

Originally Posted by Murfinator

What really gets me about Japan/Korea 2002 is that with Roy Keane there I can't shake that nagging feeling that he would have seen us through against Spain when we were on top in extra time. That we were better than South Korea and would have got us into the Semi-Final against a very mediocre German side that had already failed to beat us without Keano.

I genuinely think we could have made the final against Brazil, probably would have lost that sure, but still it was there for us.

I think we'd have been up against it against S. Korea myself. They were better at that tournament than people think.