Roy Keane

**paul_oshea** · 20/05/2009, 9:04 PM

which player?

**DeLorean** · 21/05/2009, 9:35 AM

Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

It was Given's foul on Van Nistelrooy, although all Given really did was stand his ground while Van N just ran straight through him. 9 times out of 10 though it'd have been a peno and a straight red.

For all the talk of Keane's early tackle we really should have been behind after only a few minutes, a Kelly error letting in Kluivert for a 1-on-1 that he comfortably beat Given with only for the ball to roll slowly past the post.

Late on Van N headed the ball narrowly past the post with Given rooted to the spot.

That's about all I can remember of the game, apart from McAteer's goal and Kelly having a general nightmare and his red card. Hasselbaink oplaying wide right at the end too - I think Van Gaal lost the plot a bit, though I think the gods favoured us for once. That whole campaign, at least after Amsterdam, was one where we got a bit more than we deserved I think, even the play off draw was kind.

Zenden had the best chance I thought early on. He was through with Given well out of his goal and the ball was bouncing lovely to just lift it over him but he didn't get anywhere near enough elevation on it. He was a shocking player I always thought anyway.

**youngirish** · 21/05/2009, 9:40 AM

Originally Posted by bennocelt

thats shocking really how u could totally call that game wrong

holland were all over us, we were dead lucky

Don't remember it like that. Can't remember the Dutch forcing Given into making what I would consider was a tough save. Once we scored I don't remember ever thinking they were going to come back and win.

If you want to compare it to a performance where we were dead lucky as you call it then compare it to England in Stuttgart and how many times Bonner saved us.

Here's the match report anyway:

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/archive...land_full.html

**paul_oshea** · 21/05/2009, 10:06 AM

Originally Posted by youngirish

Don't remember it like that. Can't remember the Dutch forcing Given into making what I would consider was a tough save. Once we scored I don't remember ever thinking they were going to come back and win.

If you want to compare it to a performance where we were dead lucky as you call it then compare it to England in Stuttgart and how many times Bonner saved us.

Here's the match report anyway:

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/archive...land_full.html

YI thats cos given didnt get anywhere near any of their attempts, i distinctly remember 3 where he was well beaten.

**Drumcondra 69er** · 21/05/2009, 10:10 AM

Originally Posted by youngirish

Don't remember it like that. Can't remember the Dutch forcing Given into making what I would consider was a tough save. Once we scored I don't remember ever thinking they were going to come back and win.

If you want to compare it to a performance where we were dead lucky as you call it then compare it to England in Stuttgart and how many times Bonner saved us.

Here's the match report anyway:

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/archive...land_full.html

Did you read that report? Pretty much says we were well under the cosh which kind of undermines your argument.

**youngirish** · 21/05/2009, 10:41 AM

Originally Posted by Drumcondra 69er

Did you read that report? Pretty much says we were well under the cosh which kind of undermines your argument.

Never said it didn't I just didn't consider us blessed as such especially as we only needed to draw that game. It was up to the Dutch to come at us all guns blazing.

I would consider us blessed against England in 88 who looked a much better team than us on that particular day though they quickly lost their confidence for the rest of their matches after their loss.

**bennocelt** · 21/05/2009, 1:26 PM

Originally Posted by youngirish

Don't remember it like that. Can't remember the Dutch forcing Given into making what I would consider was a tough save. Once we scored I don't remember ever thinking they were going to come back and win.

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either you are very young, or are too old and the memory is going
or dare i say it havent a clue about football

I remember that game very well, the pure tension of it all, the stress of it and the very likely possibilty that any chance the Dutch went forward they were likey to score
I will never forget that tenison of that game - it sure wasnt a walk in the a park for us

**youngirish** · 21/05/2009, 1:39 PM

Originally Posted by bennocelt

or dare i say it havent a clue about football

I'd say it's a safe bet I have far more of a clue than yourself so I must be too old or maybe I was too drunk.

**paul_oshea** · 21/05/2009, 2:38 PM

Thats a battle I was waiting to see for a while

**Den Perry** · 21/05/2009, 3:30 PM

rumour has it that Roy is interested in signing Mcshane...good God almighty

**youngirish** · 21/05/2009, 3:43 PM

Originally Posted by Den Perry

rumour has it that Roy is interested in signing Mcshane...good God almighty

The future of Ireland's central defence together at Ipswich - McShane and Bruce.

**geysir** · 21/05/2009, 3:57 PM

Won't Ipswich be mentioned in connection with every Irish player available?
At least McShane is a proven performer at championship level

Roy is not the smartest when it comes to signings, any rumours that he wants Liam Miller?

**OwlsFan** · 21/05/2009, 4:39 PM

Originally Posted by geysir

No memories of 'crying in the streets in the rain' songs?

Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

No comprende senor

Butch Moore - caused huge excitement when Ireland came 3rd or 4th in its first attempt in the Eurovision with "Walking the Streets in the Rain".

**geysir** · 21/05/2009, 5:14 PM

That's it,
'nobody knows I am crying, because I�m walking in the streets in the rain'

**Stuttgart88** · 21/05/2009, 5:33 PM

Originally Posted by DeLorean

Zenden was a shocking player I always thought anyway.

Agreed, only ever got anywhere because he was Dutch I think, though what the Dutch themselves saw in him I'll never know.

**Stuttgart88** · 21/05/2009, 5:34 PM

Originally Posted by geysir

'nobody knows I am crying, because I�m walking in the streets in the rain'

He can't be that Butch if he cries.

**bennocelt** · 21/05/2009, 5:44 PM

Originally Posted by youngirish

I'd say it's a safe bet I have far more of a clue than yourself so I must be too old or maybe I was too drunk.

the only prob with that is you seem to be the only one here with that view of the dutch game?
or maybe stay of the babysham

**Mr A** · 22/05/2009, 4:55 PM

Roy Keane is a great man.

I've always said that.

**Colbert Report** · 24/05/2009, 3:21 PM

Originally Posted by Den Perry

rumour has it that Roy is interested in signing Mcshane...good God almighty

I think that McShane is a donkey but he'd make a decent Championship centre back.

**Mr A** · 25/05/2009, 10:36 AM

Interesting comments from Niall Quinn yesterday when talking about Ricky Sbragia. Something along the lines of:

'Ricky stood up and was a man when other people walked away from the club'.

I hope he's not disparaging Roy there. As I said before, he's a great man.